[rebel-builders] First taxi

[Keith Leitch]

It's the airplane itself groaning because all you are
doing is taxiing!! It wants to fly! Just kidding, I'm
in a humorus mood today. Congrats on getting as far as
you have.
Keith

--- Mike Kimball <mkimball@gci.net> wrote:

I went for my first taxi today. Nice to actually
operate the airplane as an
airplane, even if only in a small way. I have a
couple of questions maybe
someone else ran into.

I had a little trouble keeping it straight with just
rudder and tailwheel
steering. I had to use the brakes. I thought I
remembered something in the
archives about leaving a little slack in the
tailwheel chain attached to the
springs. Is that right? I'm also not convinced
that the tailwheel is
working right. It seems like it didn't click into
the position where it can
be controlled at first. Then, later it seemed
better, as if it did click
into place.

Lastly, when depressing the brake while the rudder
is against the stop and
the plane still moving, there is an odd groaning
sound. Two people outside
the airplane could not hear it. I haven't the
foggiest idea what it could
be. Anyone?

Mike
044SR

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[Ian Donaldson]

G'day Mike

Congratulations of getting your Rebel taxying. I wouldn't worry too much
about the noises as mine has lots of rattles when taxying. Just turn up the
music and it all goes away.

As for the groaning, mine makes a similar noise "groaning" noise which I
found was just the brakes working.

I persisted with the Murphy tail wheel for a long time and despite the good
reports given by some I had nothing but trouble with it. After the tail
wheel stuck and nearly put me through a fence, I threw away the MAM wheel
and replaced it with a Scott wheel. The difference between the wheels is
just amazing. If you don't have a Scott I would recommend investigating the
fitting of one.


Regards and I hope that you are soon flying.


Ian Donaldson


:I went for my first taxi today. Nice to actually operate the airplane as
an
: airplane, even if only in a small way. I have a couple of questions maybe
: someone else ran into.
:
: I had a little trouble keeping it straight with just rudder and tailwheel
: steering. I had to use the brakes. I thought I remembered something in
the
: archives about leaving a little slack in the tailwheel chain attached to
the
: springs. Is that right? I'm also not convinced that the tailwheel is
: working right. It seems like it didn't click into the position where it
can
: be controlled at first. Then, later it seemed better, as if it did click
: into place.
:
: Lastly, when depressing the brake while the rudder is against the stop and
: the plane still moving, there is an odd groaning sound. Two people
outside
: the airplane could not hear it. I haven't the foggiest idea what it could
: be. Anyone?
:
: Mike
: 044SR
:




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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Mike !

Congrats on your progress ! Feels good, doesn't it !! :-)

Don't worry about the tailwheel - they are a bit stiff at first.
It will get better very quickly !

That groaning sound is perfectly normal too - it's just the
brake pads juddering a bit as they skid over the disks. It may
quiet down a bit once they are seated in. (Initially, taxi around
doing donuts, alternating brakes until they are gently warmed ...)

It's normal (and healthy !) to be a bit super-sensitive to
all the new sounds. :-) Don't let it throw you off -
Remember - no matter what - FLY THE AIRPLANE !!

Now - GET IT FLYING !!! :-) :-)

--
......bobp
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
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-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Sunday 13 August 2006 06:46 am, Mike Kimball wrote:

I went for my first taxi today. Nice to actually operate the airplane as an
airplane, even if only in a small way. I have a couple of questions maybe
someone else ran into.

I had a little trouble keeping it straight with just rudder and tailwheel
steering. I had to use the brakes. I thought I remembered something in the
archives about leaving a little slack in the tailwheel chain attached to the
springs. Is that right? I'm also not convinced that the tailwheel is
working right. It seems like it didn't click into the position where it can
be controlled at first. Then, later it seemed better, as if it did click
into place.

Lastly, when depressing the brake while the rudder is against the stop and
the plane still moving, there is an odd groaning sound. Two people outside
the airplane could not hear it. I haven't the foggiest idea what it could
be. Anyone?

Mike
044SR

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[Keith Leitch]

Congradulations Ron!!! I have been following your progress with your plane and in particular the Jabiru engine. Hopefully that first flight will be soon. ;)
Keith R661

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com> wrote:


From: Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com>
Subject: [rebel-builders] first taxi
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 2:18 AM


First taxi this evening! Finally getting to operate the plane in motion...
too much fun. I had the tailwheel chain linkage too loose, so most of the
steering was with the brakes and travel was slow.

I slowly inched through some tight turns out the driveway, made the first
official radio call, and was soon on the runway. I taxied to the far end,
running about 1100 RPM, just a tad above Jabiru idle. The brake pads got a
reasonable workout, good for break-in.

Along the way, a few neighbors came out to see what the new noise was, then
clap, cheer and fist pump as they realized Ron's Rebel was finally moving.
The brakes felt very firm and strong from the get go. Temps throughout the
exercise were very good, with the highest CHT at 260F, and oil temp finally
nudging 145F.

Returning to the hangar, swinging the tail around smartly (ta-da!) I
realized some of the neighbors had been following behind, as if 254R was the
Pied Piper. (Living at a small airpark with good neighbors who also build,
fly and love airplanes is heaven.) General merriment followed.

I took a link out of the tailwheel chains, but had some difficulty
restarting the engine for some (probably silly) reason still unknown, and
diagnosis of that will have to wait to tomorrow. Normal speed taxi and
static RPM tests will follow soon.

This is really, really fun already.

Ron




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[N.Smith]

Congratulations Ron
Pictures soon ? :-)
Nig
745E

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Shannon
Sent: 08 June 2010 08:19
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Subject: [rebel-builders] first taxi

First taxi this evening! Finally getting to operate the plane in motion...
too much fun. I had the tailwheel chain linkage too loose, so most of the
steering was with the brakes and travel was slow.

I slowly inched through some tight turns out the driveway, made the first
official radio call, and was soon on the runway. I taxied to the far end,
running about 1100 RPM, just a tad above Jabiru idle. The brake pads got a
reasonable workout, good for break-in.

Along the way, a few neighbors came out to see what the new noise was, then
clap, cheer and fist pump as they realized Ron's Rebel was finally moving.
The brakes felt very firm and strong from the get go. Temps throughout the
exercise were very good, with the highest CHT at 260F, and oil temp finally
nudging 145F.

Returning to the hangar, swinging the tail around smartly (ta-da!) I
realized some of the neighbors had been following behind, as if 254R was the
Pied Piper. (Living at a small airpark with good neighbors who also build,
fly and love airplanes is heaven.) General merriment followed.

I took a link out of the tailwheel chains, but had some difficulty
restarting the engine for some (probably silly) reason still unknown, and
diagnosis of that will have to wait to tomorrow. Normal speed taxi and
static RPM tests will follow soon.

This is really, really fun already.

Ron




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[Bill Maxwell]

Well done Ron!

Cant help with the restart problem, given the use of the throttle body.

If it had been the Bing carbie, my question would have been whether the
attempted restart involved use of the choke. If it is like its smaller,
Bing-equipped, sister in my Jodel D18, they dont like even the vaguest
sniff of choke after they are warm, and equally only like the throttle
barely cracked on starting, even from cold.

I have problems getting the oil temperature up to the recommended range
using normal and fast taxi RPM, normally only getting it up there after
applying full power for take off and in the climb out. Thereafter it is
fine. We have the air intake for the cooler reduced to about as small a
size as I am comfortable with, so now I just regard the low oil temp on
ground manouevring to be a normal feature of the breed. Actually, this
reminds me to ask some of the local Jabiru airframe jockies about their
oil temperature experiences, since we have a couple now local to the
hangar and in our club.

cheers

Bill

Ron Shannon wrote:

First taxi this evening! Finally getting to operate the plane in motion...
too much fun. I had the tailwheel chain linkage too loose, so most of the
steering was with the brakes and travel was slow.

I slowly inched through some tight turns out the driveway, made the first
official radio call, and was soon on the runway. I taxied to the far end,
running about 1100 RPM, just a tad above Jabiru idle. The brake pads got a
reasonable workout, good for break-in.

Along the way, a few neighbors came out to see what the new noise was, then
clap, cheer and fist pump as they realized Ron's Rebel was finally moving.
The brakes felt very firm and strong from the get go. Temps throughout the
exercise were very good, with the highest CHT at 260F, and oil temp finally
nudging 145F.

Returning to the hangar, swinging the tail around smartly (ta-da!) I
realized some of the neighbors had been following behind, as if 254R was the
Pied Piper. (Living at a small airpark with good neighbors who also build,
fly and love airplanes is heaven.) General merriment followed.

I took a link out of the tailwheel chains, but had some difficulty
restarting the engine for some (probably silly) reason still unknown, and
diagnosis of that will have to wait to tomorrow. Normal speed taxi and
static RPM tests will follow soon.

This is really, really fun already.

Ron




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[Joe Ronco]

Congratulations Ron. Any chance that you will have 254R at Arlington or is
that pushing it?? Am also interested in performance with the Jabiru 3300.



J Joe



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Leitch
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 5:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] first taxi



Congradulations Ron!!! I have been following your progress with your plane
and in particular the Jabiru engine. Hopefully that first flight will be
soon. ;)

Keith R661



--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com> wrote:





From: Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com>

Subject: [rebel-builders] first taxi

To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 2:18 AM





First taxi this evening! Finally getting to operate the plane in motion...

too much fun. I had the tailwheel chain linkage too loose, so most of the

steering was with the brakes and travel was slow.



I slowly inched through some tight turns out the driveway, made the first

official radio call, and was soon on the runway. I taxied to the far end,

running about 1100 RPM, just a tad above Jabiru idle. The brake pads got a

reasonable workout, good for break-in.



Along the way, a few neighbors came out to see what the new noise was, then

clap, cheer and fist pump as they realized Ron's Rebel was finally moving.

The brakes felt very firm and strong from the get go. Temps throughout the

exercise were very good, with the highest CHT at 260F, and oil temp finally

nudging 145F.



Returning to the hangar, swinging the tail around smartly (ta-da!) I

realized some of the neighbors had been following behind, as if 254R was the

Pied Piper. (Living at a small airpark with good neighbors who also build,

fly and love airplanes is heaven.) General merriment followed.



I took a link out of the tailwheel chains, but had some difficulty

restarting the engine for some (probably silly) reason still unknown, and

diagnosis of that will have to wait to tomorrow. Normal speed taxi and

static RPM tests will follow soon.



This is really, really fun already.



Ron









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[Ron Shannon]

Thanks all.

The carb currently is an AeroCarb, throttle body. Will look into the engine
start issue today. It's a first, though probably nothing significant.

I may be flying by Arlington, but if so will still be in 40-hr. test fly off
period, so flying there is unlikely, unless my test flight area is 50 NM in
dia., also not likely.

Ron
254R

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

I've used the wrong "side" of a flight map ruler at least once Ron...


Congrats on getting her mobile!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Shannon" <rshannon@cruzcom.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] first taxi

Thanks all.

The carb currently is an AeroCarb, throttle body. Will look into the
engine
start issue today. It's a first, though probably nothing significant.

I may be flying by Arlington, but if so will still be in 40-hr. test fly
off
period, so flying there is unlikely, unless my test flight area is 50 NM
in
dia., also not likely.

Ron
254R

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[walter.klatt]

Congrats Ron. Looking forward to seeing you fly it.

Walter
Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:45:05
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] first taxi

Thanks all.

The carb currently is an AeroCarb, throttle body. Will look into the engine
start issue today. It's a first, though probably nothing significant.

I may be flying by Arlington, but if so will still be in 40-hr. test fly off
period, so flying there is unlikely, unless my test flight area is 50 NM in
dia., also not likely.

Ron
254R

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[Roland Kriening]

Congrats !!!

All of us "Jabiru to be" builders are watching with great anticipation.
Can't wait for your first flight report. Please keep the updates coming...
and often.

Roland
R56




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[Ron Shannon]

Thanks, Roland. Will try to keep a moderate flow of news, hoping to inspire
other builders just a little, as many have done for me.

There's been quite a change in outlook over the last 2 months, since getting
the windshield and control cables done, and the engine started. At last,
there's no doubt I'll finish, the remaining tasks are no longer daunting,
even fun, and some pieces of those huge piles of delayed gratification are
starting to flow back. (Whoa! What's this?)

There is (suddenly) a different perspective when things change from a
multi-year grind to where you can count the stuff remaining on two hands,
then one, and almost reach out and touch the finish line. After all those
times you thought you were closing in on the finish line turned out to be
mirages, but not this time. When the internal debates become things like
whether you really need to still be so picky about the last doubler (you
do), whether some of the stuff you always thought needed to be done before
flying really does (it doesn't), and whether you are at the "two weeks out"
stage ready to schedule the inspection. Not quite there yet, but expect to
be soon.

It's even oddly (for me) calm, no hurry, no worry. At least, until I
discovered the #$@%& brakes need to be rebuilt. AWWK!! ALL HANDS ON DECK!!
:)

The latest greatest (excruciating) detail is always at http://n254mr.com,
where I'll post some video of the first taxi sometime later today.

Ron


On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Roland Kriening <kriening@rogers.com>wrote:

Congrats !!!

All of us "Jabiru to be" builders are watching with great anticipation.
Can't wait for your first flight report. Please keep the updates coming...
and often.

Roland
R56

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[Mike Davis]

Ron,

First, congrats on your taxi! For your test flight area, you might try
marking off on an old sectional the area you'd "like" to have for when you
have your inspection done. It will all depend on your inspector, but they
have the leeway to give you what ever test area they want. On my last one I
received a test area that exceeded the range of the airplane to the edge and
back! I just took a highlighter and marked off the entire area I wanted,
and the inspector accepted it as is. He just made a copy of my map and put
it in his file.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] first taxi

Thanks all.

The carb currently is an AeroCarb, throttle body. Will look into the
engine
start issue today. It's a first, though probably nothing significant.

I may be flying by Arlington, but if so will still be in 40-hr. test fly
off
period, so flying there is unlikely, unless my test flight area is 50 NM
in
dia., also not likely.

Ron
254R

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[Ron Shannon]

Thanks, Mike, and good idea for the test area request. I'll try it.

*Attention thrill seekers*: the gripping, action-packed first taxi video is
up, at http://n254mr.com/node/1479


Ron
254R



On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:

Ron,

First, congrats on your taxi! For your test flight area, you might try
marking off on an old sectional the area you'd "like" to have for when you
have your inspection done. It will all depend on your inspector, but they
have the leeway to give you what ever test area they want. On my last one
I
received a test area that exceeded the range of the airplane to the edge
and
back! I just took a highlighter and marked off the entire area I wanted,
and the inspector accepted it as is. He just made a copy of my map and put
it in his file.

Mike

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[N.Smith]

Awesome Ron.... Inspirational :-)
Nig
745E

-----Original Message-----
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Shannon
Sent: 09 June 2010 17:48
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] first taxi

Thanks, Mike, and good idea for the test area request. I'll try it.

*Attention thrill seekers*: the gripping, action-packed first taxi video is
up, at http://n254mr.com/node/1479


Ron
254R



On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Mike Davis <mike.davis@dcsol.com> wrote:

Ron,

First, congrats on your taxi! For your test flight area, you might try
marking off on an old sectional the area you'd "like" to have for when you
have your inspection done. It will all depend on your inspector, but they
have the leeway to give you what ever test area they want. On my last one
I
received a test area that exceeded the range of the airplane to the edge
and
back! I just took a highlighter and marked off the entire area I wanted,
and the inspector accepted it as is. He just made a copy of my map and

put

it in his file.

Mike

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