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[rebel-builders] Rebel Tail wheel breakaway

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Bob Patterson

[rebel-builders] Rebel Tail wheel breakaway

Post by Bob Patterson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:40 pm

Hi Gary !

It will get a lot better with a bit of use. There should be about 1/4"
to 1/2" of sag in the chains with the compression springs. Standard
procedure is to accelerate a bit, push in rudder, get it swinging, then
use a touch of brake to kick it out at the end of travel....

Perhaps the spring is pushing the pin in a bit too much ...
Also, be sure the top main post is vertical, not leaning back or forward.
Some builders have shortened the spring an inch or so - they
varied in length from year to year ....

One builder rounded the corners of the pin - do not do this !
He had a full ground loop !! Luckily, with no damage ...

I have always used the fiberglass spring - on all 4 Rebels -
I really like the cushioning effect and the non-destructive failure
mode (delamination - after 6 years in the sun ...).

Some builders have gone to the Scott 3200 tailwheel with
heavier Rebels, like yours, to have an extra 8 lb. on the tail,
plus the cushioning of a pneumatic tailwheel ....
I have trouble getting it to kick out consistently too ...
(Do not use a Maule, or other single side arm tailwheel ...)

--
......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

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-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 17 October 2009 17:52, Gary Gustafson wrote:
I have Rebel kit #242 (an oldie) and have a problem that was discussed

prior to something happening to the Archives on the Rebel Builders site.

Much seems to have been discussed based on what is still in the archives
but I think that I remember that there was a loss of data around that
time. So I will ask the Rebel tail wheel brake away question again.



I have an original Murphy Rebel fiberglass tail wheel spring and full
swivel tail wheel dating back to 1995 or 6. (Yes, it took a long time to
get this puppy built) My question is that while taxing my tail wheel just
barely brakes away for a left hand turn, but does not brake away at all
for a right hand turn. The mechanism was recently cleaned, all surfaces
made smooth, and greased. When attempting a right hand turn the fiberglass
spring twists putting the tail wheel at an angle of 20 degrees to the
ground. For a left hand turn it only breaks away with great effort (one
out of 3 times). Something is not right.





Back in February 2001, Rick Harper wrote:

"1) It appears we HAVE the "Tailwheel Mod" ....as we have a full
swivelling tailwheel..... I assumed that there was a modification that had
to be done to the full swivelling wheel to make it work
correctly....apparently not (apart from leaving the springs loose...HOW
LOOSE ?)



Point : With the tail of the Rebel suspended in the air (so the wheel is
off the deck)....depressing the rudder pedal fully to either side DOESN'T
rotate the tailwheel anywhere near enough to make it "break free" ???
..........is this normal ?



I would have assumed that the tailwheel should break free just as the
rudder gets to it's full deflection point.....yes / no ?"



I have not found a complete answer what to do for a fiberglass tail wheel
spring and full swivel tail wheel that does not swivel. Any help out
there from someone who has the same combination?


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kyle martin

[rebel-builders] Rebel Tail wheel breakaway

Post by kyle martin » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:40 pm

this is a good bit of info here, if you havent already seen it:

http://www.pierceaero.net/techdata/tws.jpg

click the photo to enlarge it.

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Bob Patterson <bobp@prosumers.ca> wrote:
Hi Gary !

It will get a lot better with a bit of use. There should be about 1/4"
to 1/2" of sag in the chains with the compression springs. Standard
procedure is to accelerate a bit, push in rudder, get it swinging, then
use a touch of brake to kick it out at the end of travel....

Perhaps the spring is pushing the pin in a bit too much ...
Also, be sure the top main post is vertical, not leaning back or forward.
Some builders have shortened the spring an inch or so - they
varied in length from year to year ....

One builder rounded the corners of the pin - do not do this !
He had a full ground loop !! Luckily, with no damage ...

I have always used the fiberglass spring - on all 4 Rebels -
I really like the cushioning effect and the non-destructive failure
mode (delamination - after 6 years in the sun ...).

Some builders have gone to the Scott 3200 tailwheel with
heavier Rebels, like yours, to have an extra 8 lb. on the tail,
plus the cushioning of a pneumatic tailwheel ....
I have trouble getting it to kick out consistently too ...
(Do not use a Maule, or other single side arm tailwheel ...)

--
......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

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-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 17 October 2009 17:52, Gary Gustafson wrote:
I have Rebel kit #242 (an oldie) and have a problem that was discussed

prior to something happening to the Archives on the Rebel Builders site.

Much seems to have been discussed based on what is still in the archives
but I think that I remember that there was a loss of data around that
time. So I will ask the Rebel tail wheel brake away question again.



I have an original Murphy Rebel fiberglass tail wheel spring and full
swivel tail wheel dating back to 1995 or 6. (Yes, it took a long time to
get this puppy built) My question is that while taxing my tail wheel just
barely brakes away for a left hand turn, but does not brake away at all
for a right hand turn. The mechanism was recently cleaned, all surfaces
made smooth, and greased. When attempting a right hand turn the
fiberglass
spring twists putting the tail wheel at an angle of 20 degrees to the
ground. For a left hand turn it only breaks away with great effort (one
out of 3 times). Something is not right.





Back in February 2001, Rick Harper wrote:

"1) It appears we HAVE the "Tailwheel Mod" ....as we have a full
swivelling tailwheel..... I assumed that there was a modification that
had
to be done to the full swivelling wheel to make it work
correctly....apparently not (apart from leaving the springs loose...HOW
LOOSE ?)



Point : With the tail of the Rebel suspended in the air (so the wheel is
off the deck)....depressing the rudder pedal fully to either side DOESN'T
rotate the tailwheel anywhere near enough to make it "break free" ???
..........is this normal ?



I would have assumed that the tailwheel should break free just as the
rudder gets to it's full deflection point.....yes / no ?"



I have not found a complete answer what to do for a fiberglass tail wheel
spring and full swivel tail wheel that does not swivel. Any help out
there from someone who has the same combination?


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Jeff Micheal

[rebel-builders] Rebel Tail wheel breakaway

Post by Jeff Micheal » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:40 pm

Hi Gary & Bob,

FYI, the slider pin inside the swivel tail wheel Does Have Radiused
corners. If I recall the earlier systems may not have, but it was found
that the corners caused burring of the material and therefore caused the
tail wheel not to swivel properly.

I would recheck (disassemble the unit) and go through it again. You should
be able to get the swivel assembly to breakaway on the bench with minimal
effort.

Just my 2 pennies worth.

Cheers,
Jeff


On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Bob Patterson <bobp@prosumers.ca> wrote:
Hi Gary !

It will get a lot better with a bit of use. There should be about 1/4"
to 1/2" of sag in the chains with the compression springs. Standard
procedure is to accelerate a bit, push in rudder, get it swinging, then
use a touch of brake to kick it out at the end of travel....

Perhaps the spring is pushing the pin in a bit too much ...
Also, be sure the top main post is vertical, not leaning back or forward.
Some builders have shortened the spring an inch or so - they
varied in length from year to year ....

One builder rounded the corners of the pin - do not do this !
He had a full ground loop !! Luckily, with no damage ...

I have always used the fiberglass spring - on all 4 Rebels -
I really like the cushioning effect and the non-destructive failure
mode (delamination - after 6 years in the sun ...).

Some builders have gone to the Scott 3200 tailwheel with
heavier Rebels, like yours, to have an extra 8 lb. on the tail,
plus the cushioning of a pneumatic tailwheel ....
I have trouble getting it to kick out consistently too ...
(Do not use a Maule, or other single side arm tailwheel ...)

--
......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender
and do not necessarily reflect the views of any other entities or persons.
Any action taken as a result of the contents of this email is totally the
responsibility of the reader.

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 17 October 2009 17:52, Gary Gustafson wrote:
I have Rebel kit #242 (an oldie) and have a problem that was discussed

prior to something happening to the Archives on the Rebel Builders site.

Much seems to have been discussed based on what is still in the archives
but I think that I remember that there was a loss of data around that
time. So I will ask the Rebel tail wheel brake away question again.



I have an original Murphy Rebel fiberglass tail wheel spring and full
swivel tail wheel dating back to 1995 or 6. (Yes, it took a long time to
get this puppy built) My question is that while taxing my tail wheel just
barely brakes away for a left hand turn, but does not brake away at all
for a right hand turn. The mechanism was recently cleaned, all surfaces
made smooth, and greased. When attempting a right hand turn the
fiberglass
spring twists putting the tail wheel at an angle of 20 degrees to the
ground. For a left hand turn it only breaks away with great effort (one
out of 3 times). Something is not right.





Back in February 2001, Rick Harper wrote:

"1) It appears we HAVE the "Tailwheel Mod" ....as we have a full
swivelling tailwheel..... I assumed that there was a modification that
had
to be done to the full swivelling wheel to make it work
correctly....apparently not (apart from leaving the springs loose...HOW
LOOSE ?)



Point : With the tail of the Rebel suspended in the air (so the wheel is
off the deck)....depressing the rudder pedal fully to either side DOESN'T
rotate the tailwheel anywhere near enough to make it "break free" ???
..........is this normal ?



I would have assumed that the tailwheel should break free just as the
rudder gets to it's full deflection point.....yes / no ?"



I have not found a complete answer what to do for a fiberglass tail wheel
spring and full swivel tail wheel that does not swivel. Any help out
there from someone who has the same combination?


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Ken

[rebel-builders] Rebel Tail wheel breakaway

Post by Ken » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:40 pm

Most likely explanation is that you don't have enough rudder travel or
the springs coupling it to the tailwheel are too loose. When set up
nicely it is effortless to get it to swivel after full rudder is applied.

Congratulations on a successful flight Gary!

BTW in Canada it is legal for two licenced pilots to fly together during
the first 25 hours and a great opportunity to get current on the plane.
No non pilots though.

Ken

Gary Gustafson wrote:
I have Rebel kit #242 (an oldie) and have a problem that was discussed

prior to something happening to the Archives on the Rebel Builders site.

Much seems to have been discussed based on what is still in the archives but
I think that I remember that there was a loss of data around that time. So I
will ask the Rebel tail wheel brake away question again.



I have an original Murphy Rebel fiberglass tail wheel spring and full swivel
tail wheel dating back to 1995 or 6. (Yes, it took a long time to get this
puppy built) My question is that while taxing my tail wheel just barely
brakes away for a left hand turn, but does not brake away at all for a right
hand turn. The mechanism was recently cleaned, all surfaces made smooth, and
greased. When attempting a right hand turn the fiberglass spring twists
putting the tail wheel at an angle of 20 degrees to the ground. For a left
hand turn it only breaks away with great effort (one out of 3 times).
Something is not right.


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Gary Gustafson

[rebel-builders] Rebel Tail wheel breakaway

Post by Gary Gustafson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:40 pm

Thanks for the information that I received to my question.
According to the website

http://www.pierceaero.net/techdata/tws.jpg

I have a vertical or very near vertical post position, but interesting
to know. For Bob I do not have a 1/2" sag in my chains. So I will try
that on my next test to see if that helps. (Mine have almost no sag)
For Jeff, on several occasions that I have taken the tail wheel assembly
apart, I have noted a slight burr on one side of the slider pin and it
seems to scrape. I have deburred each time and made a very small radius
on the slide pin. But it came back the second time. I can not figure
out what causes it. Both times I have filed the burr off and used emery
cloth to make sure that all surfaces are smooth.

So this time I will make sure that it is smooth and I have a 1/2" sag
in the chain. That may solve it, but I can not figure out what creates
the burr. Hopefully it will not reoccur after taking the above steps.

I can sure say that I am learning a lot of interesting things. Thanks
for your responses.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Micheal
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:31 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Tail wheel breakaway

Hi Gary & Bob,

FYI, the slider pin inside the swivel tail wheel Does Have Radiused
corners. If I recall the earlier systems may not have, but it was found
that the corners caused burring of the material and therefore caused the
tail wheel not to swivel properly.

I would recheck (disassemble the unit) and go through it again. You should
be able to get the swivel assembly to breakaway on the bench with minimal
effort.

Just my 2 pennies worth.

Cheers,
Jeff


On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Bob Patterson <bobp@prosumers.ca> wrote:
Hi Gary !

It will get a lot better with a bit of use. There should be about
1/4"
to 1/2" of sag in the chains with the compression springs. Standard
procedure is to accelerate a bit, push in rudder, get it swinging, then
use a touch of brake to kick it out at the end of travel....

Perhaps the spring is pushing the pin in a bit too much ...
Also, be sure the top main post is vertical, not leaning back or forward.
Some builders have shortened the spring an inch or so - they
varied in length from year to year ....

One builder rounded the corners of the pin - do not do this !
He had a full ground loop !! Luckily, with no damage ...

I have always used the fiberglass spring - on all 4 Rebels -
I really like the cushioning effect and the non-destructive failure
mode (delamination - after 6 years in the sun ...).

Some builders have gone to the Scott 3200 tailwheel with
heavier Rebels, like yours, to have an extra 8 lb. on the tail,
plus the cushioning of a pneumatic tailwheel ....
I have trouble getting it to kick out consistently too ...
(Do not use a Maule, or other single side arm tailwheel ...)

--
......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender
and do not necessarily reflect the views of any other entities or persons.
Any action taken as a result of the contents of this email is totally the
responsibility of the reader.

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 17 October 2009 17:52, Gary Gustafson wrote:
I have Rebel kit #242 (an oldie) and have a problem that was discussed

prior to something happening to the Archives on the Rebel Builders site.

Much seems to have been discussed based on what is still in the archives
but I think that I remember that there was a loss of data around that
time. So I will ask the Rebel tail wheel brake away question again.



I have an original Murphy Rebel fiberglass tail wheel spring and full
swivel tail wheel dating back to 1995 or 6. (Yes, it took a long time to
get this puppy built) My question is that while taxing my tail wheel
just
barely brakes away for a left hand turn, but does not brake away at all
for a right hand turn. The mechanism was recently cleaned, all surfaces
made smooth, and greased. When attempting a right hand turn the
fiberglass
spring twists putting the tail wheel at an angle of 20 degrees to the
ground. For a left hand turn it only breaks away with great effort (one
out of 3 times). Something is not right.





Back in February 2001, Rick Harper wrote:

"1) It appears we HAVE the "Tailwheel Mod" ....as we have a full
swivelling tailwheel..... I assumed that there was a modification that
had
to be done to the full swivelling wheel to make it work
correctly....apparently not (apart from leaving the springs loose...HOW
LOOSE ?)



Point : With the tail of the Rebel suspended in the air (so the wheel is
off the deck)....depressing the rudder pedal fully to either side
DOESN'T
rotate the tailwheel anywhere near enough to make it "break free" ???
..........is this normal ?



I would have assumed that the tailwheel should break free just as the
rudder gets to it's full deflection point.....yes / no ?"



I have not found a complete answer what to do for a fiberglass tail
wheel
spring and full swivel tail wheel that does not swivel. Any help out
there from someone who has the same combination?


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Gary Gustafson

[rebel-builders] Rebel Tail wheel breakaway

Post by Gary Gustafson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:40 pm

On second thought my tail wheel may not have "good geometry" when
loaded. I will have to check with people in the plane for extreme
rear CG to see if it gets into a "Bad geometry" position. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Gustafson
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:36 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Tail wheel breakaway

Thanks for the information that I received to my question.
According to the website

http://www.pierceaero.net/techdata/tws.jpg


I have a vertical or very near vertical post position, but interesting
to know. For Bob I do not have a 1/2" sag in my chains. So I will try
that on my next test to see if that helps. (Mine have almost no sag)
For Jeff, on several occasions that I have taken the tail wheel assembly
apart, I have noted a slight burr on one side of the slider pin and it
seems to scrape. I have deburred each time and made a very small radius
on the slide pin. But it came back the second time. I can not figure
out what causes it. Both times I have filed the burr off and used emery
cloth to make sure that all surfaces are smooth.

So this time I will make sure that it is smooth and I have a 1/2" sag
in the chain. That may solve it, but I can not figure out what creates
the burr. Hopefully it will not reoccur after taking the above steps.

I can sure say that I am learning a lot of interesting things. Thanks
for your responses.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Micheal
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:31 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Tail wheel breakaway

Hi Gary & Bob,

FYI, the slider pin inside the swivel tail wheel Does Have Radiused
corners. If I recall the earlier systems may not have, but it was found
that the corners caused burring of the material and therefore caused the
tail wheel not to swivel properly.

I would recheck (disassemble the unit) and go through it again. You should
be able to get the swivel assembly to breakaway on the bench with minimal
effort.

Just my 2 pennies worth.

Cheers,
Jeff


On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Bob Patterson <bobp@prosumers.ca> wrote:
Hi Gary !

It will get a lot better with a bit of use. There should be about
1/4"
to 1/2" of sag in the chains with the compression springs. Standard
procedure is to accelerate a bit, push in rudder, get it swinging, then
use a touch of brake to kick it out at the end of travel....

Perhaps the spring is pushing the pin in a bit too much ...
Also, be sure the top main post is vertical, not leaning back or forward.
Some builders have shortened the spring an inch or so - they
varied in length from year to year ....

One builder rounded the corners of the pin - do not do this !
He had a full ground loop !! Luckily, with no damage ...

I have always used the fiberglass spring - on all 4 Rebels -
I really like the cushioning effect and the non-destructive failure
mode (delamination - after 6 years in the sun ...).

Some builders have gone to the Scott 3200 tailwheel with
heavier Rebels, like yours, to have an extra 8 lb. on the tail,
plus the cushioning of a pneumatic tailwheel ....
I have trouble getting it to kick out consistently too ...
(Do not use a Maule, or other single side arm tailwheel ...)

--
......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

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responsibility of the reader.

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 17 October 2009 17:52, Gary Gustafson wrote:
I have Rebel kit #242 (an oldie) and have a problem that was discussed

prior to something happening to the Archives on the Rebel Builders site.

Much seems to have been discussed based on what is still in the archives
but I think that I remember that there was a loss of data around that
time. So I will ask the Rebel tail wheel brake away question again.



I have an original Murphy Rebel fiberglass tail wheel spring and full
swivel tail wheel dating back to 1995 or 6. (Yes, it took a long time to
get this puppy built) My question is that while taxing my tail wheel
just
barely brakes away for a left hand turn, but does not brake away at all
for a right hand turn. The mechanism was recently cleaned, all surfaces
made smooth, and greased. When attempting a right hand turn the
fiberglass
spring twists putting the tail wheel at an angle of 20 degrees to the
ground. For a left hand turn it only breaks away with great effort (one
out of 3 times). Something is not right.





Back in February 2001, Rick Harper wrote:

"1) It appears we HAVE the "Tailwheel Mod" ....as we have a full
swivelling tailwheel..... I assumed that there was a modification that
had
to be done to the full swivelling wheel to make it work
correctly....apparently not (apart from leaving the springs loose...HOW
LOOSE ?)



Point : With the tail of the Rebel suspended in the air (so the wheel is
off the deck)....depressing the rudder pedal fully to either side
DOESN'T
rotate the tailwheel anywhere near enough to make it "break free" ???
..........is this normal ?



I would have assumed that the tailwheel should break free just as the
rudder gets to it's full deflection point.....yes / no ?"



I have not found a complete answer what to do for a fiberglass tail
wheel
spring and full swivel tail wheel that does not swivel. Any help out
there from someone who has the same combination?


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Bob Patterson

[rebel-builders] Rebel Tail wheel breakaway

Post by Bob Patterson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:40 pm

Thanks Jeff !

The originals did have very sharp corners, so a small radius
is probably 'A Good Thing' (tm). :-) The one we had a
problem with was filed to a very round end - a bit tooooo round....
It would not stay locked !!

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-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 17 October 2009 19:30, Jeff Micheal wrote:
Hi Gary & Bob,

FYI, the slider pin inside the swivel tail wheel Does Have Radiused
corners. If I recall the earlier systems may not have, but it was found
that the corners caused burring of the material and therefore caused the
tail wheel not to swivel properly.

I would recheck (disassemble the unit) and go through it again. You
should be able to get the swivel assembly to breakaway on the bench with
minimal effort.

Just my 2 pennies worth.

Cheers,
Jeff

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Bob Patterson <bobp@prosumers.ca> wrote:
Hi Gary !

It will get a lot better with a bit of use. There should be about
1/4" to 1/2" of sag in the chains with the compression springs.
Standard procedure is to accelerate a bit, push in rudder, get it
swinging, then use a touch of brake to kick it out at the end of
travel....

Perhaps the spring is pushing the pin in a bit too much ...
Also, be sure the top main post is vertical, not leaning back or
forward. Some builders have shortened the spring an inch or so - they
varied in length from year to year ....

One builder rounded the corners of the pin - do not do this !
He had a full ground loop !! Luckily, with no damage ...

I have always used the fiberglass spring - on all 4 Rebels -
I really like the cushioning effect and the non-destructive failure
mode (delamination - after 6 years in the sun ...).

Some builders have gone to the Scott 3200 tailwheel with
heavier Rebels, like yours, to have an extra 8 lb. on the tail,
plus the cushioning of a pneumatic tailwheel ....
I have trouble getting it to kick out consistently too ...
(Do not use a Maule, or other single side arm tailwheel ...)

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On Saturday 17 October 2009 17:52, Gary Gustafson wrote:
I have Rebel kit #242 (an oldie) and have a problem that was discussed

prior to something happening to the Archives on the Rebel Builders
site.

Much seems to have been discussed based on what is still in the
archives but I think that I remember that there was a loss of data
around that time. So I will ask the Rebel tail wheel brake away
question again.



I have an original Murphy Rebel fiberglass tail wheel spring and full
swivel tail wheel dating back to 1995 or 6. (Yes, it took a long time
to get this puppy built) My question is that while taxing my tail
wheel just barely brakes away for a left hand turn, but does not brake
away at all for a right hand turn. The mechanism was recently cleaned,
all surfaces made smooth, and greased. When attempting a right hand
turn the
fiberglass
spring twists putting the tail wheel at an angle of 20 degrees to the
ground. For a left hand turn it only breaks away with great effort
(one out of 3 times). Something is not right.





Back in February 2001, Rick Harper wrote:

"1) It appears we HAVE the "Tailwheel Mod" ....as we have a full
swivelling tailwheel..... I assumed that there was a modification that
had
to be done to the full swivelling wheel to make it work
correctly....apparently not (apart from leaving the springs
loose...HOW LOOSE ?)



Point : With the tail of the Rebel suspended in the air (so the wheel
is off the deck)....depressing the rudder pedal fully to either side
DOESN'T rotate the tailwheel anywhere near enough to make it "break
free" ??? ..........is this normal ?



I would have assumed that the tailwheel should break free just as the
rudder gets to it's full deflection point.....yes / no ?"



I have not found a complete answer what to do for a fiberglass tail
wheel spring and full swivel tail wheel that does not swivel. Any
help out there from someone who has the same combination?


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