[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

[Keith Leitch]

LOL!

[Wayne G. O'Shea]

YES.... but hold onto your maps !

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin & Nancy Mayville" <knmay@sympatico.ca>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Has any one flown with out the doors installed ?

Kevin
C-FRFP

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[Keith Leitch]

Gary,
I have noticed the same percentage of Rebels with skylights.....more have than have not. More light is nice to have...sometimes. The main issue I can think of is on those bright days I even have trouble with reflections on my GPS just through the windows already in the plane. I was trying to imagine how bad it could get with skylights. Just me thinking again...and that gets me into enough trouble already!! :)
Keith

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Gary Gustafson <gargus@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Gary Gustafson <gargus@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 9:20 AM

I bought my Rebel partially completed by two older men (that is a
relative word) who had a flying Rebel without skylights. The one
they were building had eight skylights as they said it was too dark
and they wanted more light. So their preference was to have shylights.
Quite a few pictures of Rebels posted on websites (from the 62 pictures
that I have I would say about 70%) have skylights.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Leitch
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:10 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

I am just curious as to how many guys have/have not intalled the sky lights?
Is there any issues if I don't install any? Neither my Champ or my 172 has
them and I don't remember any airplane I have flown that did have them.
What
are the pros of having them other than letting light in and an added view
when turning?

[Keith Leitch]

Ted,

[Wayne G. O'Shea]

The ones right above your head come in real handy when cranking a hard tight
corner.. look up and see where you're headed. The ones behind that burn the
back of your neck flying North in the afternoon and the last set at the back
allow you to look back down the runway/lake when taxing on wheels and
floats. The small set forward of the carrythru have pros and cons... they
let you see traffic but they also let the sun right into your eyes and many
days they see a nav map stuff up between them and the windshield to work as
a visor.

Gary... I keep reading your messages and the way it reads it sounds like you
want to put lexan in those front holes. They get left wide open... if you
are installing the moulded windshield.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Ted,

We think along the same lines. I may only do a couple of small ones close
to the windshield.

Keith

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@i1ci.com> wrote:

From: Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 9:20 AM

I my opinion, the only three situations that warrant use/install of
skylights:

- See some low-wing plane that is about to try to land on top of you in
the
pattern!
- See mtn tops while doing a steep turn in a narrow valley (found such
useful in Idaho backcountry)
- Let some sun in on those cold winter days.

All in all, I only installed the two small skylights in my Moose. I felt
the other larger skylights were just not worth it given the limited
situations in which I might want them.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Keith
Leitch
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:10 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

I am just curious as to how many guys have/have not intalled the sky
lights?
Is there any issues if I don't install any? Neither my Champ or my 172 has
them and I don't remember any airplane I have flown that did have them.
What
are the pros of having them other than letting light in and an added view
when turning?

Keith












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[Gary Gustafson]

Wayne... Yes my plane came with Lexan installed in the forward oval
openings adjacent to the flap handle. Today I drilled both of them out
and made doublers for each of them. The holes thru the Lexan are now
oversize holes and have a aluminum backing frame around them as I
understood the directions. Yes, they are like a double pain glass
up there with the molded windshield. I thought that was a bit of
redundancy and were probably made that way so as not to weaken that
part of the fuselage. They came that way and I re-made them and
reinstalled them today. Based on the emails today I now figure that
it is good insurance in case a bird strikes that area of the plane. LOL

Thanks to you all for the comments and discussion as to need of the
skylights in the first place. I am moving on.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:37 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

The ones right above your head come in real handy when cranking a hard tight

corner.. look up and see where you're headed. The ones behind that burn the
back of your neck flying North in the afternoon and the last set at the back

allow you to look back down the runway/lake when taxing on wheels and
floats. The small set forward of the carrythru have pros and cons... they
let you see traffic but they also let the sun right into your eyes and many
days they see a nav map stuff up between them and the windshield to work as
a visor.

Gary... I keep reading your messages and the way it reads it sounds like you

want to put lexan in those front holes. They get left wide open... if you
are installing the moulded windshield.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Ted,

We think along the same lines. I may only do a couple of small ones close
to the windshield.

Keith

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@i1ci.com> wrote:

From: Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 9:20 AM

I my opinion, the only three situations that warrant use/install of
skylights:

- See some low-wing plane that is about to try to land on top of you in
the
pattern!
- See mtn tops while doing a steep turn in a narrow valley (found such
useful in Idaho backcountry)
- Let some sun in on those cold winter days.

All in all, I only installed the two small skylights in my Moose. I felt
the other larger skylights were just not worth it given the limited
situations in which I might want them.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Keith
Leitch
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:10 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

I am just curious as to how many guys have/have not intalled the sky
lights?
Is there any issues if I don't install any? Neither my Champ or my 172 has
them and I don't remember any airplane I have flown that did have them.
What
are the pros of having them other than letting light in and an added view
when turning?

Keith












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[rebflyer]

Hi Keith,
?I chose not to install the skylights on 97MR. I did however cut the ones in?under the windshield. They don't leak:) and so far my bald head has not gotten a sunburn. Seems like when ever I do see the skylights they are used to store charts/block out the sun. I never had them but I have never wished I put them in either.
???????? IMHO
?????????? Curt Martin
?????????? N97MR


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Leitch <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:09 am
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers



I am just curious as to how many guys have/have not intalled the sky lights? Is
there any issues if I don't install any? Neither my Champ or my 172 has them and
I don't remember any airplane I have flown that did have them. What are the pros
of having them other than letting light in and an added view when turning?
?
Keith












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[bransom]

I was going to post that I've never much used the overhead lexan window in
my ultralight. But then I remembered seeing uncomfortably close traffic
there one time. That made it worth having! I can't speak for the Rebel
other than to remind that the Sport Aviation article (Budd Davisson,
November, 1994) said the cabin needed all possible skylights. Part of this
was based on the fact that the factory Rebel was with the firewall 3"
further back and, according to the article, pilot and passenger back even
more --- so in that configuration forward/upward vis was reduced, as was
general cabin light.
-Ben

On 2/25/2009 6:20 AM, tedwaltman@i1ci.com wrote to rebel-builders:
[quote]I my opinion, the only three situations that warrant use/install of
skylights:

- See some low-wing plane that is about to try to land on top of you in the
pattern!
- See mtn tops while doing a steep turn in a narrow valley (found such
useful in Idaho backcountry)
- Let some sun in on those cold winter days.

All in all, I only installed the two small skylights in my Moose. I felt
the other larger skylights were just not worth it given the limited
situations in which I might want them.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Leitch
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:10 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

I am just curious as to how many guys have/have not intalled the sky lights?
Is there any issues if I don't install any? Neither my Champ or my 172 has
them and I don't remember any airplane I have flown that did have them. What
are the pros of having them other than letting light in and an added view
when turning?

[snowyrvr@mtaonline.net]

Seems like they need to hold the "glass" in. :)

Original Message:
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From: Joel Jacobs jj7499@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:26:05 -0400
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Skylight Doublers


Howdy,
Which side have you all been installing the window doublers on? Inside
or outside? Looks like they could go either way and the manual doesn't
say. What do you think looks best? Thanks..

Joel Jacobs
Rebel S/N416R



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[Ron Shannon]

They mount inside, on the underside of the roof.

Ron
254R



On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Joel Jacobs <jj7499@gmail.com> wrote:

Howdy,
Which side have you all been installing the window doublers on? Inside
or outside? Looks like they could go either way and the manual doesn't
say. What do you think looks best? Thanks..

Joel Jacobs
Rebel S/N416R

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[Joel Jacobs]

Thanks Ron, I got them cut in yesterday and they look great.

Joel Jacobs
Rebel 416R

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com> wrote:

They mount inside, on the underside of the roof.

Ron
254R



On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Joel Jacobs <jj7499@gmail.com> wrote:

Howdy,
Which side have you all been installing the window doublers on? Inside
or outside? Looks like they could go either way and the manual doesn't
say. What do you think looks best? Thanks..

Joel Jacobs
Rebel S/N416R

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