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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

I don't have any in mine either... but the day will come.. just like it did
in CYP that cracked in a few spots.

Just keep landing on both floats evenly and you'll buy more time! lol

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

At 04:39 PM 24/02/2009 -0500, you wrote:
They'll come.. unfortunately ! Doublers during construction is soooo easy
!
lol
You're probably right Wayne I didn't know about it when I built my plane
and I foolishly forgot about it when I replaced the windshield last year.
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Gary Gustafson

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by Gary Gustafson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

I'm putting in .030 doublers while it is easy even though I have to
drill out the current oval skylights as I expect a few rough landings.

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:40 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

They'll come.. unfortunately ! Doublers during construction is soooo easy !
lol

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

At 01:04 PM 24/02/2009 -0800, you wrote:
I just cut my front openings, and rolled the edges down a bit, so there is
no rubbing against the windshield, and no lexan or doublers on mine.
Walter
Same here and no cracks in 350hrs.


----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
This query probably belongs to the Dept. of Duh, but... is it
correct that
the forward, oval skylights under the windshield are not
"glazed" with
anything, but just left open? The manual doesn't seem to show
any "glass"
there and of course, one doesn't want to be looking through two
layers of
window, much less trying to clean them.

None of my gazillion pictures of real Rebels show this clearly,
althoughthat too is probably due to the thick fog that always
seems to be around.
:-)

Ron
Drew



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Bob Patterson

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by Bob Patterson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

Hi Gary !

You say you already have oval skylights - are they just Lexan,
rivetted & glued in position ?? If so, it might be easier just to
leave them - no reports of cracks around overhead skylights,
only the 2 small unglazed oval 'holes' in front of the cage.

We just had plain Lexan, riveted with washers over the rivets,
in oversized holes, sealed with windshield sealer (Bosktik 1100).
That was on the Rebel prototype, and it's still flying with the
original skylights ! If they aren't cracked, I'd just leave 'em...

There's no doubt that, on a NEW install, it is easier & better to
use the factory skylight rings, which leave the Lexan 'floating',
but if you already have skylights that work, just leave them -
you'll likely make such a mess removing them that you'll
end up having to install a new roof ....

Just 'GET IT FLYING' (tm) !!! :-)

--
......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://www.prosumers.ca/Ramble09

http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 24 February 2009 22:04, Gary Gustafson wrote:
I'm putting in .030 doublers while it is easy even though I have to
drill out the current oval skylights as I expect a few rough landings.

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:40 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

They'll come.. unfortunately ! Doublers during construction is soooo easy
! lol

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
At 01:04 PM 24/02/2009 -0800, you wrote:
I just cut my front openings, and rolled the edges down a bit, so there
is
no rubbing against the windshield, and no lexan or doublers on mine.
Walter
Same here and no cracks in 350hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Drew


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Gary Gustafson

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by Gary Gustafson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

I have eight oval skylights, one in each overhead section of
the main compartment. All are about 14" by 4", except the two
smaller ones adjacent to the main throttle. These are about 12"
by 3". All are Lexan and have been installed with rivets, but
without any glue, glazing or washers. If there is a danger of
the front skylights developing cracks, I want to put in doublers
before I install the windshield (which is the point that I am
at in final assembly).

After reading the discussion on this website, I was going to drill
out the two forward skylights adjacent to the flap handle and
re-install them with doublers. For the remaining six oval skylights
I am (unless otherwise advised) going to tape the Lexan and the
aluminum metal around the skylights and press in caulk to seal them.
Once caulked, I remove the tape and they should be water tight. There
are no washers installed and I do not believe the holes are oversized.

This is the gist of what I gathered from the website. If this is not
correct, please advise.

I want to get flying and am very close.

Gary Gustafson

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:55 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers


Hi Gary !

You say you already have oval skylights - are they just Lexan,
rivetted & glued in position ?? If so, it might be easier just to
leave them - no reports of cracks around overhead skylights,
only the 2 small unglazed oval 'holes' in front of the cage.

We just had plain Lexan, riveted with washers over the rivets,
in oversized holes, sealed with windshield sealer (Bosktik 1100).
That was on the Rebel prototype, and it's still flying with the
original skylights ! If they aren't cracked, I'd just leave 'em...

There's no doubt that, on a NEW install, it is easier & better to
use the factory skylight rings, which leave the Lexan 'floating',
but if you already have skylights that work, just leave them -
you'll likely make such a mess removing them that you'll
end up having to install a new roof ....

Just 'GET IT FLYING' (tm) !!! :-)

--
......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://www.prosumers.ca/Ramble09

http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 24 February 2009 22:04, Gary Gustafson wrote:
I'm putting in .030 doublers while it is easy even though I have to
drill out the current oval skylights as I expect a few rough landings.

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:40 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

They'll come.. unfortunately ! Doublers during construction is soooo easy
! lol

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
At 01:04 PM 24/02/2009 -0800, you wrote:
I just cut my front openings, and rolled the edges down a bit, so there
is
no rubbing against the windshield, and no lexan or doublers on mine.
Walter
Same here and no cracks in 350hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Drew


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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

Gary your lexan is going to crack quicker than shit thru a goose. Even the
MAM manual specs of using a washer to back up the lexan doesn't cut it and
they crack quickly. All of mine have been in now for 14 years come May. Not
one is cracked. Cabin skin... lexan with oversized holes... doubler ring cut
from .025 or .032. Rivets pull on ring.. not lexan. Sealer between lexan and
roof skin. I used silicon at the time... DON'T.. as then your paint won't
stick around them !

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gustafson" <gargus@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:37 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

I have eight oval skylights, one in each overhead section of
the main compartment. All are about 14" by 4", except the two
smaller ones adjacent to the main throttle. These are about 12"
by 3". All are Lexan and have been installed with rivets, but
without any glue, glazing or washers. If there is a danger of
the front skylights developing cracks, I want to put in doublers
before I install the windshield (which is the point that I am
at in final assembly).

After reading the discussion on this website, I was going to drill
out the two forward skylights adjacent to the flap handle and
re-install them with doublers. For the remaining six oval skylights
I am (unless otherwise advised) going to tape the Lexan and the
aluminum metal around the skylights and press in caulk to seal them.
Once caulked, I remove the tape and they should be water tight. There
are no washers installed and I do not believe the holes are oversized.

This is the gist of what I gathered from the website. If this is not
correct, please advise.

I want to get flying and am very close.

Gary Gustafson

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:55 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers


Hi Gary !

You say you already have oval skylights - are they just Lexan,
rivetted & glued in position ?? If so, it might be easier just to
leave them - no reports of cracks around overhead skylights,
only the 2 small unglazed oval 'holes' in front of the cage.

We just had plain Lexan, riveted with washers over the rivets,
in oversized holes, sealed with windshield sealer (Bosktik 1100).
That was on the Rebel prototype, and it's still flying with the
original skylights ! If they aren't cracked, I'd just leave 'em...

There's no doubt that, on a NEW install, it is easier & better to
use the factory skylight rings, which leave the Lexan 'floating',
but if you already have skylights that work, just leave them -
you'll likely make such a mess removing them that you'll
end up having to install a new roof ....

Just 'GET IT FLYING' (tm) !!! :-)

--
......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://www.prosumers.ca/Ramble09

http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 24 February 2009 22:04, Gary Gustafson wrote:
I'm putting in .030 doublers while it is easy even though I have to
drill out the current oval skylights as I expect a few rough landings.

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:40 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

They'll come.. unfortunately ! Doublers during construction is soooo easy
! lol

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
At 01:04 PM 24/02/2009 -0800, you wrote: no rubbing against the windshield, and no lexan or doublers on mine.
Same here and no cracks in 350hrs.
Drew


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Ken

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by Ken » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

Or at least one fellow after painting used 6-32 stainless truss head
screws, rubber washer, cabin roof, butyl strip caulk, acrylic (tinted
plexiglass) with oversize holes, washer, thin nut with nylon locking
insert. No doubler except on the 2 skylights under the top of the
windshield. 230+ hours with no cracks even though I used acrylic instead
of lexan. With soft caulk the screws are really only snugged up until I
saw the caulk squeeze a bit and seal.

If using rivets, I like the cheap aluminum ones with aluminum mandrels
as they don't pull very hard and they don't expand radially. Oversize
holes are always a good idea as the plastic has about 3 times the
thermal expansion rate as aluminum IIRC.

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
Gary your lexan is going to crack quicker than shit thru a goose. Even the
MAM manual specs of using a washer to back up the lexan doesn't cut it and
they crack quickly. All of mine have been in now for 14 years come May. Not
one is cracked. Cabin skin... lexan with oversized holes... doubler ring cut
from .025 or .032. Rivets pull on ring.. not lexan. Sealer between lexan and
roof skin. I used silicon at the time... DON'T.. as then your paint won't
stick around them !

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Bob Patterson

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by Bob Patterson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

The skylight rings from the factory are very nice ! They
have a formed-in joggle to allow the Lexan to float, while
the ring is riveted directly to the roof. This is the best
way to go !!

Wayne is right on - without even oversized holes, your
skylights will crack VERY quickly. I wouldn't even waste time
trying to seal them. If you want to get flying, just leave
them and get going - you can re-do them next winter !
You will have to cut larger openings for the factory rings
anyway - maybe you can just cut around the existing
skylights.

FWIW, I would NOT put skylights behind the seats -
they just sunburn your neck ! Two overhead, and
2 (or 3) at the rear are all you really need. You need
3 if you have 2 roof ribs - some older Rebels did ...
You can just paint over the others - that'll seal 'em ! ;-)

Again, the only place there have been cracks is in the
aluminum roof section that extends forward of the top
cage square tube, where oval holes are cut in the
metal, with no Lexan. An .025 aluminum doubler around
the holes will stop cracks.

Looking forward to hearing about that first flight !!

--
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bobp@prosumers.ca
http://www.prosumers.ca/Ramble09

http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
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-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 02:37, Gary Gustafson wrote:
I have eight oval skylights, one in each overhead section of
the main compartment. All are about 14" by 4", except the two
smaller ones adjacent to the main throttle. These are about 12"
by 3". All are Lexan and have been installed with rivets, but
without any glue, glazing or washers. If there is a danger of
the front skylights developing cracks, I want to put in doublers
before I install the windshield (which is the point that I am
at in final assembly).

After reading the discussion on this website, I was going to drill
out the two forward skylights adjacent to the flap handle and
re-install them with doublers. For the remaining six oval skylights
I am (unless otherwise advised) going to tape the Lexan and the
aluminum metal around the skylights and press in caulk to seal them.
Once caulked, I remove the tape and they should be water tight. There
are no washers installed and I do not believe the holes are oversized.

This is the gist of what I gathered from the website. If this is not
correct, please advise.

I want to get flying and am very close.

Gary Gustafson

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:55 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers


Hi Gary !

You say you already have oval skylights - are they just Lexan,
rivetted & glued in position ?? If so, it might be easier just to
leave them - no reports of cracks around overhead skylights,
only the 2 small unglazed oval 'holes' in front of the cage.

We just had plain Lexan, riveted with washers over the rivets,
in oversized holes, sealed with windshield sealer (Bosktik 1100).
That was on the Rebel prototype, and it's still flying with the
original skylights ! If they aren't cracked, I'd just leave 'em...

There's no doubt that, on a NEW install, it is easier & better to
use the factory skylight rings, which leave the Lexan 'floating',
but if you already have skylights that work, just leave them -
you'll likely make such a mess removing them that you'll
end up having to install a new roof ....

Just 'GET IT FLYING' (tm) !!! :-)

--
......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
http://www.prosumers.ca/Ramble09

http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------

On Tuesday 24 February 2009 22:04, Gary Gustafson wrote:
I'm putting in .030 doublers while it is easy even though I have to
drill out the current oval skylights as I expect a few rough landings.

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:40 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

They'll come.. unfortunately ! Doublers during construction is soooo
easy ! lol

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
At 01:04 PM 24/02/2009 -0800, you wrote: no rubbing against the windshield, and no lexan or doublers on mine.
Same here and no cracks in 350hrs.
Drew



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Gary Gustafson

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by Gary Gustafson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I will make sure that when I
replace the forward skylight ovals that in addition to doublers
that they have oversize holes, washers on the inside and I will
pull with cheap aluminum rivets.

Thanks for a wealth of information.

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:21 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Or at least one fellow after painting used 6-32 stainless truss head
screws, rubber washer, cabin roof, butyl strip caulk, acrylic (tinted
plexiglass) with oversize holes, washer, thin nut with nylon locking
insert. No doubler except on the 2 skylights under the top of the
windshield. 230+ hours with no cracks even though I used acrylic instead
of lexan. With soft caulk the screws are really only snugged up until I
saw the caulk squeeze a bit and seal.

If using rivets, I like the cheap aluminum ones with aluminum mandrels
as they don't pull very hard and they don't expand radially. Oversize
holes are always a good idea as the plastic has about 3 times the
thermal expansion rate as aluminum IIRC.

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
Gary your lexan is going to crack quicker than shit thru a goose. Even the
MAM manual specs of using a washer to back up the lexan doesn't cut it and
they crack quickly. All of mine have been in now for 14 years come May.
Not
one is cracked. Cabin skin... lexan with oversized holes... doubler ring
cut
from .025 or .032. Rivets pull on ring.. not lexan. Sealer between lexan
and
roof skin. I used silicon at the time... DON'T.. as then your paint won't
stick around them !

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Keith Leitch

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by Keith Leitch » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

I am just curious as to how many guys have/have not intalled the sky lights? Is there any issues if I don't install any? Neither my Champ or my 172 has them and I don't remember any airplane I have flown that did have them. What are the pros of having them other than letting light in and an added view when turning?

Ted Waltman

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by Ted Waltman » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

I my opinion, the only three situations that warrant use/install of
skylights:

- See some low-wing plane that is about to try to land on top of you in the
pattern!
- See mtn tops while doing a steep turn in a narrow valley (found such
useful in Idaho backcountry)
- Let some sun in on those cold winter days.

All in all, I only installed the two small skylights in my Moose. I felt
the other larger skylights were just not worth it given the limited
situations in which I might want them.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Leitch
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:10 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

I am just curious as to how many guys have/have not intalled the sky lights?
Is there any issues if I don't install any? Neither my Champ or my 172 has
them and I don't remember any airplane I have flown that did have them. What
are the pros of having them other than letting light in and an added view
when turning?

Gary Gustafson

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by Gary Gustafson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

I bought my Rebel partially completed by two older men (that is a
relative word) who had a flying Rebel without skylights. The one
they were building had eight skylights as they said it was too dark
and they wanted more light. So their preference was to have shylights.
Quite a few pictures of Rebels posted on websites (from the 62 pictures
that I have I would say about 70%) have skylights.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Leitch
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:10 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

I am just curious as to how many guys have/have not intalled the sky lights?
Is there any issues if I don't install any? Neither my Champ or my 172 has
them and I don't remember any airplane I have flown that did have them. What
are the pros of having them other than letting light in and an added view
when turning?

WALTER KLATT

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by WALTER KLATT » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

I think others have pretty well said it. For me, the visibility in turns is most important, especially when flying floats and going into a small lake. It was also nice to look behind you to see if there was another plane on your tail, when taxiiing for take-off back when I was in the tail dragger config.

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Leitch <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:51 am
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
LOL! Doesn't look like I would have much use for them after
reading the replies. My abilty to bend is pretty limited. A
major portion of my back has been fused together and I have
steel rods installed on both sides of my spine so much twisting
has lasting effects.:(

The damaged Rebel I bought doesn't have sky lights either. I was
hoping to rebuild it but doesn't look like that will happen. Too
many other things in life seem to get in the way.

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca> wrote:

From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 9:37 AM

The ones right above your head come in real handy when cranking
a hard tight
corner.. look up and see where you're headed. The ones behind
that burn the

back of your neck flying North in the afternoon and the last set
at the back
allow you to look back down the runway/lake when taxing on
wheels and
floats. The small set forward of the carrythru have pros and
cons... they
let you see traffic but they also let the sun right into your
eyes and many
days they see a nav map stuff up between them and the windshield
to work as
a visor.

Gary... I keep reading your messages and the way it reads it
sounds like you
want to put lexan in those front holes. They get left wide
open... if you
are installing the moulded windshield.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Ted,

We think along the same lines. I may only do a couple of small
ones close
to the windshield.

Keith

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@i1ci.com> wrote:

From: Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 9:20 AM

I my opinion, the only three situations that warrant
use/install of
skylights:

- See some low-wing plane that is about to try to land on top
of you in
the
pattern!
- See mtn tops while doing a steep turn in a narrow valley
(found such
useful in Idaho backcountry)
- Let some sun in on those cold winter days.

All in all, I only installed the two small skylights in my
Moose. I felt
the other larger skylights were just not worth it given the limited
situations in which I might want them.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf Of
Keith
Leitch
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:10 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

I am just curious as to how many guys have/have not intalled
the sky
lights?
Is there any issues if I don't install any? Neither my Champ
or my 172
has
them and I don't remember any airplane I have flown that did have
them.
What
are the pros of having them other than letting light in and an
added view
when turning?

Keith












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[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by kpierson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

My 2 cents

When I built my Maranda back in the "80's" I installed skylights, but did
not have adequate ventilation and the cockpit got quite hot on sunny
days, and also got a sun burn on my old bald head. When I rebuilt the
Maranda I eliminated them, and added two vents.
In the Rebel I plan to install the two in front of the front spar carry
through. And also good ventilation.

Keith P.







On 2/25/2009 7:16 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I think others have pretty well said it. For me, the visibility in turns is most
important, especially when flying floats and going into a small lake. It was
also nice to look behind you to see if there was another plane on your tail,
when taxiiing for take-off back when I was in the tail dragger config.
->
-> Walter
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: Keith Leitch <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
-> Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:51 am
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
->
-> > LOL! Doesn't look like I would have much use for them after
-> > reading the replies. My abilty to bend is pretty limited. A
-> > major portion of my back has been fused together and I have
-> > steel rods installed on both sides of my spine so much twisting
-> > has lasting effects.:(
-> >
-> > The damaged Rebel I bought doesn't have sky lights either. I was
-> > hoping to rebuild it but doesn't look like that will happen. Too
-> > many other things in life seem to get in the way.
-> >
-> > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca> wrote:
-> >
-> > From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
-> > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
-> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 9:37 AM
-> >
-> > The ones right above your head come in real handy when cranking
-> > a hard tight
-> > corner.. look up and see where you're headed. The ones behind
-> > that burn the
-> >
-> > back of your neck flying North in the afternoon and the last set
-> > at the back
-> > allow you to look back down the runway/lake when taxing on
-> > wheels and
-> > floats. The small set forward of the carrythru have pros and
-> > cons... they
-> > let you see traffic but they also let the sun right into your
-> > eyes and many
-> > days they see a nav map stuff up between them and the windshield
-> > to work as
-> > a visor.
-> >
-> > Gary... I keep reading your messages and the way it reads it
-> > sounds like you
-> > want to put lexan in those front holes. They get left wide
-> > open... if you
-> > are installing the moulded windshield.
-> >
-> > Wayne
-> >
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
-> > To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:31 AM
-> > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
-> >
-> >
-> > > Ted,
-> > >
-> > > We think along the same lines. I may only do a couple of small
-> > ones close
-> > > to the windshield.
-> > >
-> > > Keith
-> > >
-> > > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@i1ci.com> wrote:
-> > >
-> > > From: Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
-> > > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
-> > > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > > Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 9:20 AM
-> > >
-> > > I my opinion, the only three situations that warrant
-> > use/install of
-> > > skylights:
-> > >
-> > > - See some low-wing plane that is about to try to land on top
-> > of you in
-> > > the
-> > > pattern!
-> > > - See mtn tops while doing a steep turn in a narrow valley
-> > (found such
-> > > useful in Idaho backcountry)
-> > > - Let some sun in on those cold winter days.
-> > >
-> > > All in all, I only installed the two small skylights in my
-> > Moose. I felt
-> > > the other larger skylights were just not worth it given the limited
-> > > situations in which I might want them.
-> > >
-> > > Ted
-> > >
-> > > -----Original Message-----
-> > > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> > Behalf Of
-> > > Keith
-> > > Leitch
-> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:10 AM
-> > > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
-> > >
-> > > I am just curious as to how many guys have/have not intalled
-> > the sky
-> > > lights?
-> > > Is there any issues if I don't install any? Neither my Champ
-> > or my 172
-> > has
-> > > them and I don't remember any airplane I have flown that did have
-> > them.
-> > > What
-> > > are the pros of having them other than letting light in and an
-> > added view
-> > > when turning?
-> > >
-> > > Keith
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
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Bob Patterson

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by Bob Patterson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

Hi Keith !

I think you'll want at least the 2 overhead skylights so
you can see in turns (especially if you moved your firewall
back 3" ) !! Otherwise, as Wayne points out, you'll have
to try to lean forward a looonnnnggg way, and swivel ....

The 2 (or 3) at the very rear are very handy too, as are
the rear windows, to keep from getting run over !!

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-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Wednesday 25 February 2009 18:32, kpierson@dcsol.com wrote:
My 2 cents

When I built my Maranda back in the "80's" I installed skylights, but did
not have adequate ventilation and the cockpit got quite hot on sunny
days, and also got a sun burn on my old bald head. When I rebuilt the
Maranda I eliminated them, and added two vents.
In the Rebel I plan to install the two in front of the front spar carry
through. And also good ventilation.

Keith P.







On 2/25/2009 7:16 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I think others have pretty well said it. For me, the visibility in
turns is most important, especially when flying floats and going into a
small lake. It was also nice to look behind you to see if there was
another plane on your tail, when taxiiing for take-off back when I was in
the tail dragger config. ->
-> Walter
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: Keith Leitch <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
-> Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:51 am
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
->
-> > LOL! Doesn't look like I would have much use for them after
-> > reading the replies. My abilty to bend is pretty limited. A
-> > major portion of my back has been fused together and I have
-> > steel rods installed on both sides of my spine so much twisting
-> > has lasting effects.:(
-> >
-> > The damaged Rebel I bought doesn't have sky lights either. I was
-> > hoping to rebuild it but doesn't look like that will happen. Too
-> > many other things in life seem to get in the way.
-> >
-> > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca> wrote:
-> >
-> > From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
-> > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers
-> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 9:37 AM
-> >
-> > The ones right above your head come in real handy when cranking
-> > a hard tight
-> > corner.. look up and see where you're headed. The ones behind
-> > that burn the
-> >
-> > back of your neck flying North in the afternoon and the last set
-> > at the back
-> > allow you to look back down the runway/lake when taxing on
-> > wheels and
-> > floats. The small set forward of the carrythru have pros and
-> > cons... they
-> > let you see traffic but they also let the sun right into your
-> > eyes and many
-> > days they see a nav map stuff up between them and the windshield
-> > to work as
-> > a visor.
-> >
-> > Gary... I keep reading your messages and the way it reads it
-> > sounds like you
-> > want to put lexan in those front holes. They get left wide
-> > open... if you
-> > are installing the moulded windshield.
-> >
-> > Wayne


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Kevin & Nancy Mayville

[rebel-builders] skylight doublers

Post by Kevin & Nancy Mayville » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:16 pm

This a interesting debate ! I am flying my some what new rebel with out and
sky lights ( yet ) and my last plane was a low wing with a bubble canopy . I
can see the advantage for tight turns, but the sun coming in could sure warm
things up. I want to fly until January be for I decide where and how many
windows I want to install and I plan to paint and install the interior also
then .

Has any one flown with out the doors installed ?

Kevin
C-FRFP


----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] skylight doublers

I am just curious as to how many guys have/have not intalled the sky
lights? Is there any issues if I don't install any? Neither my Champ or my
172 has them and I don't remember any airplane I have flown that did have
them. What are the pros of having them other than letting light in and an
added view when turning?
?
Keith












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