go to the trouble. I know others have reported troubles too. Do you
recall if it was Bruce Georgen that had the same cowl and did something
with the hinge lines to ease access? (And what mod he did?) Anyway, glad
to hear the cooling can be accomplished with that cowl.
-Ben
On 11/24/2008 1:38 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
are challenges with this one. The stock one from MAM might work for aYes, and that is what I had before with my old 320. No question, there
wheeled Rebel or Elite, but not a chance on floats. On my first one I ended
up changing first the exit, and then opening up the inlets a bit, too. With
this one, I got away with just changing the bottom.
more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075 ... 7/aol?redi>Walter
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From: bransom@dcsol.com
Date: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:16 am
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Walter,
Are you using a "speed" cowl?
-Ben
the 320, haveWell, after all the cooling battles I had with my last cowl on360. It coolsto say that I finally got it right the first time with thisthe 320. Andbeautifully, even better than the best that I finally saw with4. Not thisI really put it to the test last summer in the interior (+35 C).
With the old engine (Lycoming), I had trouble cooling #3 andactually #1 and 2one; all cylinders are even in cruise. On climb-out, it ishis #3 runsthat run a bit higher, but then cool right down with cruise.
What's interesting, though, is that on Dennis' (360 Lycoming),exact same modelhighest on climb-out (same as my old 320). Yet we have theSuperior andcarb on our 360s now. I wonder if this is a difference betweenBehalf Of EricLycoming with the Superior sump intakes providing more even mixture
distribution.
Walter
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] Onback takeoff inFogelin
Sent: November 23, 2008 9:12 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height
I did generate a pretty high nose angle when I tried a stickstep quicklythe Elite. But, it doesn't seem necessary. Since it gets up ontechnique.>with a more neutral stick, I don't think I'll normally use thepower. InitialBut, to simulate higher elevation takeoffs, I'll use lowerover the hump.full stick back may be necessary, with stick forward to getthe water.Sounds like I get to have a bunch of fun trying things out onSound familiar?First I need to deal with cooling issues with my speed cowl.Behalf Of WalterI've got lots of archive email and photos printed out as I fix mine.
Eric
Elite 645E
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] Onwhat Dennis getsKlatt
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:20 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height
Looks pretty good, Eric. Your performance is very close to3/4 fuel at thewith his on take-off. I have timed his with a passenger andthe nose doeslake, and it was less than 15 seconds.
One thing I noticed when flying the Elite on water, is thatelevator as with mynot come up as high on initial power, even with full upthe step andRebel. With Dennis', it is more of a gradual transition ontomuch elevatorthen plane it to lift-off. I don't know if he doesn't have asthen withtravel or it is just because of the bigger tail of the Elite.
With my Rebel, the nose really swings high on power up, andoff right afterforward elevator just hops straight onto the step, and liftsabout 10that. Best I could get with the 320, with a good headwind, washaven't had aseconds. But with the 360, I think it is closer to 5, althoughlight load. Achance to video it yet. Of course, I am talking solo with aBehalf Of Ericpassenger and full fuel makes quite a difference.
But I do want to try the 3 degrees and see what it does.
Walter
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] Onweeks ago. I likeFogelin
Sent: November 23, 2008 12:16 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height
I have a half dozen water flights since first flight a fewcan get offthe performance. I have not flown full gross weight yet, but Iwater ripples),the water (sea level) at 1900 lbs, light to calm wind (smallfull power beforeat 55F in 10-12 seconds with 2 notches of flaps.
Power has been brought in smoothly and I'm just getting towhich shouldliftoff. I haven't tried a high performance, more flap takeofftechnique, but notbe real short.
Rear of floats are not dragging. I've experimented withfloats pop upusing full elevator on initial start, just aft of neutral, theI'm running theon step, no real hump, planes and then liftoff. Nice.
My angle may work due to horsepower and constant speed prop.cruise at 75%Superior XP-O-360 180HP with an MT constant speed prop. Myseems prettypower (2500rpm, 25" MP) is about 100kts IAS. My pitot systemsomething moreaccurate at cruise.
Plenty more testing to do, so I'll post results when there isThe takeoff isconclusive.
Below is a YouTube video showing a landing and takeoff run.Behalf Of Waynenear the end of the 3.5 minute video. It shows pretty well the float
attitude through the takeoff run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54olsv7kbyc
Thanks,
Eric
Elite 645E
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] Onyet @ onlyG. O'Shea
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:47 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height
Eric... have you tried getting your Elite to fly off the wateras trying to1.7 degrees? Even at 2.3* hard to get them to part the surfacerear keel. 3 torotate the "wing" to get airborne will have you dragging thealways end up3.5* seems to work best and I've adjusted more than a few andtail. The Commat 3.3 to 3.5*'s
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From: "Eric Fogelin" <elist@whidbey.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height
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