ropes. Are these the type you are referring to?
I should really try a higher float angle, especially now that I have the VGs
and with the stronger engine. The VGs take advantage of a higher angle of
attack on the wing, and the extra power overcomes the added drag on take-off
with the more lift. I can now again start my take-offs with full flaps on
the water, and get full advantage of the extra lift right from the start.
Even on land now, I can get some ridiculously short take-offs, if I am not
too heavy. Before the VGs, I would raise the nose at about 30 mph, and it
would run at that angle a bit before slowly rising into the air. Now, it
often hops right into the air, as soon as I raise the nose, even at that
speed. I need to get someone to video tape me, but am sure I am off some
times in 200 feet, or so it seems.
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: November 23, 2008 7:42 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height
Pretty cheap Walter... I've had to pay as much as $16 A PAD at times just to
get stock.
I dropped Howard's1 hole and had just enough TBuckle thread left to
retighten the cables. When the new owner wanted more throat angle.. I got
rid of the "tangs" at the top attach fitting and replaced the bolt with an
eye bolt.. then used it's eye to attach the TBuckle clevis pin...giving me
full turnbuckle thread usage again without making new cables.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height
Yes, I had purposely left holes on top and bottom. But I didn't want to
have
to redo cables, which is why I was waiting for a down time opportunity.
Maybe this winter, as I want to take the floats off some time for a
thorough
inspection and replacement of the hydraulic and brake lines.
I got my pads replaced, as you suggested, at the local shop on the field,
and they didn't gouge me too bad, I think, at 61 bucks incl tax for all
four. Brakes are good now.
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: November 22, 2008 8:32 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height
Can't help with the tail height vs angle,Walter, as my mounting struts are
shorter than MAM spec...and my spreaders a tad narrower as well to
maintain
the load angles of the struts.
Do you have any holes left on your rear strut fittings? One hole seems to
=
about 0.4 degrees or so...and if you have any turnbuckle thread left
lowering doesn't change the cable lengths too much.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height
Bruce's was at 3.5 degrees, which I thought was the largest angle anyone
was
using at the time. Mine is still at 2.5. It has been my intention for a
while now to move it to 3* next time I have the floats off, but still
haven't done it. The other locals here are still using 2.5, too, although
I
told them to try 3.
I also measured my tail height recently, and it is at 9 feet 3 inches.
Does
that sound like a 2.5* angle? With the 360, I am getting off the water
pretty fast now, but what the hey, if it can be even better, I'll try it.
I
still haven't tried it this year at a high elevation lake with a good
load.
That will be the real test.
Did a flight out to the lake today, actually. Just installed a new Icom
A210, and was testing it, and adjusting my VOX squelches.
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: November 22, 2008 7:51 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height
Quite possible Ken. I still drag my keels on some days while trying to
horse
it off the water in less than 9 or 10 seconds..which of course makes the
run
15 instead. With CYP Howard always said it was great at 2.3*... but then
when I sold it the new owner (with 30+ thousand hours) complained it
wouldn't leave the water without lifting a float as he couldn't rotate it
to
climb out. We made it exactly the same as mine @ 3.4/3.5 and it was like
night and day. It jumped off the water... unfortunately it jumped thru a
soya bean field in July as well to end CYP's life! Bob White's Elite, in
the
hangar, is on Clamar 2200's and I mounted it at 3.5*'s as well... and it
very quick off the water. He gets out just as short as I do with my
Rebel.
I think Bruce Georgen is mounted at 4 or 4.5* with his Rebel. Don't think
he
has the Angus cuff and he is happy with his performance as well.
I just can't see getting a Rebel or Elite off the water in any efficient
manner at only 1.7* throat angle.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height
Hmmm
So maybe 4.5 with the Mackenzie drooped leading edge then since it
lowers the wing angle of incidence about 1.5* ??
Ken
Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
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