[rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

[Rebflyer]

My Rebel is 9"5" on the Amphibs. MAM 1800"s.
The Highest point is actually the Com antenna on the Cabin Roof. Tail is
about 9'4".
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[robert]

My Elite on MFC 2200's is also just under 10' w/ the top of the rudder being the tallest point.
Cheers, Bob 612e
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My Rebel is 9"5" on the Amphibs. MAM 1800"s.
The Highest point is actually the Com antenna on the Cabin Roof. Tail is
about 9'4".
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[snowyrvr@mtaonline.net]

Thanks, fellas; we're looking at a hanger with a 10' door so it sounds
pretty good. Craig

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:06:22 +0000
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height


My Elite on MFC 2200's is also just under 10' w/ the top of the rudder
being the tallest point.
Cheers, Bob 612e
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My Rebel is 9"5" on the Amphibs. MAM 1800"s.
The Highest point is actually the Com antenna on the Cabin Roof. Tail is
about 9'4".
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[rebflyer]

Just as long as it's not a nose down ramp, which would make the tail higher going in the door. If you're pretty flat you're good to go.
    Curt Martin


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Thanks, fellas; we're looking at a hanger with a 10' door so it sounds
retty good. Craig
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y Elite on MFC 2200's is also just under 10' w/ the top of the rudder
eing the tallest point.
heers, Bob 612e
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ubject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height
My Rebel is 9"5" on the Amphibs. MAM 1800"s.
he Highest point is actually the Com antenna on the Cabin Roof. Tail is
bout 9'4".
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[Eric Fogelin]

My Elite on Murphy 1800 amphibs is 10'-1" to top of the tail. The Comm
antenna on the cabin roof is nearly the same. The tail height can vary
depending on what angle you set your floats.

I set my floats at 1.7 degrees (top of float compared to bottom of main
cabin. Others are setting higher angles: 2, 2.5, 3 and 3+ degrees. The
greater the angle, the lower your tail (by quite a bit).

Eric
Elite 645E

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Thanks, fellas; we're looking at a hanger with a 10' door so it sounds
pretty good. Craig

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:06:22 +0000
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height


My Elite on MFC 2200's is also just under 10' w/ the top of the rudder
being the tallest point.
Cheers, Bob 612e
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

My Rebel is 9"5" on the Amphibs. MAM 1800"s.
The Highest point is actually the Com antenna on the Cabin Roof. Tail is
about 9'4".
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N97MR

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Eric... have you tried getting your Elite to fly off the water yet @ only
1.7 degrees? Even at 2.3* hard to get them to part the surface as trying to
rotate the "wing" to get airborne will have you dragging the rear keel. 3 to
3.5* seems to work best and I've adjusted more than a few and always end up
at 3.3 to 3.5*'s

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Fogelin" <elist@whidbey.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

My Elite on Murphy 1800 amphibs is 10'-1" to top of the tail. The Comm
antenna on the cabin roof is nearly the same. The tail height can vary
depending on what angle you set your floats.

I set my floats at 1.7 degrees (top of float compared to bottom of main
cabin. Others are setting higher angles: 2, 2.5, 3 and 3+ degrees. The
greater the angle, the lower your tail (by quite a bit).

Eric
Elite 645E

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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Thanks, fellas; we're looking at a hanger with a 10' door so it sounds
pretty good. Craig

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From: robert@montanasky.us
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:06:22 +0000
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height


My Elite on MFC 2200's is also just under 10' w/ the top of the rudder
being the tallest point.
Cheers, Bob 612e
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My Rebel is 9"5" on the Amphibs. MAM 1800"s.
The Highest point is actually the Com antenna on the Cabin Roof. Tail is
about 9'4".
Curt Martin
N97MR

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[Ken]

Hmmm
So maybe 4.5 with the Mackenzie drooped leading edge then since it
lowers the wing angle of incidence about 1.5* ??

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Eric... have you tried getting your Elite to fly off the water yet @ only
1.7 degrees? Even at 2.3* hard to get them to part the surface as trying to
rotate the "wing" to get airborne will have you dragging the rear keel. 3 to
3.5* seems to work best and I've adjusted more than a few and always end up
at 3.3 to 3.5*'s

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Fogelin" <elist@whidbey.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

My Elite on Murphy 1800 amphibs is 10'-1" to top of the tail. The Comm
antenna on the cabin roof is nearly the same. The tail height can vary
depending on what angle you set your floats.

I set my floats at 1.7 degrees (top of float compared to bottom of main
cabin. Others are setting higher angles: 2, 2.5, 3 and 3+ degrees. The
greater the angle, the lower your tail (by quite a bit).

Eric
Elite 645E

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Quite possible Ken. I still drag my keels on some days while trying to horse
it off the water in less than 9 or 10 seconds..which of course makes the run
15 instead. With CYP Howard always said it was great at 2.3*... but then
when I sold it the new owner (with 30+ thousand hours) complained it
wouldn't leave the water without lifting a float as he couldn't rotate it to
climb out. We made it exactly the same as mine @ 3.4/3.5 and it was like
night and day. It jumped off the water... unfortunately it jumped thru a
soya bean field in July as well to end CYP's life! Bob White's Elite, in the
hangar, is on Clamar 2200's and I mounted it at 3.5*'s as well... and it
very quick off the water. He gets out just as short as I do with my Rebel.

I think Bruce Georgen is mounted at 4 or 4.5* with his Rebel. Don't think he
has the Angus cuff and he is happy with his performance as well.

I just can't see getting a Rebel or Elite off the water in any efficient
manner at only 1.7* throat angle.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Hmmm
So maybe 4.5 with the Mackenzie drooped leading edge then since it
lowers the wing angle of incidence about 1.5* ??

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Eric... have you tried getting your Elite to fly off the water yet @ only
1.7 degrees? Even at 2.3* hard to get them to part the surface as trying
to
rotate the "wing" to get airborne will have you dragging the rear keel. 3
to
3.5* seems to work best and I've adjusted more than a few and always end
up
at 3.3 to 3.5*'s

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Fogelin" <elist@whidbey.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

My Elite on Murphy 1800 amphibs is 10'-1" to top of the tail. The Comm
antenna on the cabin roof is nearly the same. The tail height can vary
depending on what angle you set your floats.

I set my floats at 1.7 degrees (top of float compared to bottom of main
cabin. Others are setting higher angles: 2, 2.5, 3 and 3+ degrees. The
greater the angle, the lower your tail (by quite a bit).

Eric
Elite 645E

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[robert]

Hmmm ... Perhaps the aft spreader bar needs to come fwd one bulkhead?
Bob, 612e
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>

Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:51:14
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height


Quite possible Ken. I still drag my keels on some days while trying to horse
it off the water in less than 9 or 10 seconds..which of course makes the run
15 instead. With CYP Howard always said it was great at 2.3*... but then
when I sold it the new owner (with 30+ thousand hours) complained it
wouldn't leave the water without lifting a float as he couldn't rotate it to
climb out. We made it exactly the same as mine @ 3.4/3.5 and it was like
night and day. It jumped off the water... unfortunately it jumped thru a
soya bean field in July as well to end CYP's life! Bob White's Elite, in the
hangar, is on Clamar 2200's and I mounted it at 3.5*'s as well... and it
very quick off the water. He gets out just as short as I do with my Rebel.

I think Bruce Georgen is mounted at 4 or 4.5* with his Rebel. Don't think he
has the Angus cuff and he is happy with his performance as well.

I just can't see getting a Rebel or Elite off the water in any efficient
manner at only 1.7* throat angle.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Hmmm
So maybe 4.5 with the Mackenzie drooped leading edge then since it
lowers the wing angle of incidence about 1.5* ??

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Eric... have you tried getting your Elite to fly off the water yet @ only
1.7 degrees? Even at 2.3* hard to get them to part the surface as trying
to
rotate the "wing" to get airborne will have you dragging the rear keel. 3
to
3.5* seems to work best and I've adjusted more than a few and always end
up
at 3.3 to 3.5*'s

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Fogelin" <elist@whidbey.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

My Elite on Murphy 1800 amphibs is 10'-1" to top of the tail. The Comm
antenna on the cabin roof is nearly the same. The tail height can vary
depending on what angle you set your floats.

I set my floats at 1.7 degrees (top of float compared to bottom of main
cabin. Others are setting higher angles: 2, 2.5, 3 and 3+ degrees. The
greater the angle, the lower your tail (by quite a bit).

Eric
Elite 645E

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

That's a whole nudder story! lol .. but has nothing to do with dragging the
keels on rotation.

You only sink the rear spreader under if you start your take off run stick
back... if you start stick neutral and then back only after moving forward
the floats are up enough you can't turtle the rear spreader bar.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Hmmm ... Perhaps the aft spreader bar needs to come fwd one bulkhead?
Bob, 612e
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>

Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:51:14
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height


Quite possible Ken. I still drag my keels on some days while trying to
horse
it off the water in less than 9 or 10 seconds..which of course makes the
run
15 instead. With CYP Howard always said it was great at 2.3*... but then
when I sold it the new owner (with 30+ thousand hours) complained it
wouldn't leave the water without lifting a float as he couldn't rotate it
to
climb out. We made it exactly the same as mine @ 3.4/3.5 and it was like
night and day. It jumped off the water... unfortunately it jumped thru a
soya bean field in July as well to end CYP's life! Bob White's Elite, in
the
hangar, is on Clamar 2200's and I mounted it at 3.5*'s as well... and it
very quick off the water. He gets out just as short as I do with my Rebel.

I think Bruce Georgen is mounted at 4 or 4.5* with his Rebel. Don't think
he
has the Angus cuff and he is happy with his performance as well.

I just can't see getting a Rebel or Elite off the water in any efficient
manner at only 1.7* throat angle.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Hmmm
So maybe 4.5 with the Mackenzie drooped leading edge then since it
lowers the wing angle of incidence about 1.5* ??

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Eric... have you tried getting your Elite to fly off the water yet @
only
1.7 degrees? Even at 2.3* hard to get them to part the surface as trying
to
rotate the "wing" to get airborne will have you dragging the rear keel.
3
to
3.5* seems to work best and I've adjusted more than a few and always end
up
at 3.3 to 3.5*'s

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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:35 PM
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[Walter Klatt]

Bruce's was at 3.5 degrees, which I thought was the largest angle anyone was
using at the time. Mine is still at 2.5. It has been my intention for a
while now to move it to 3* next time I have the floats off, but still
haven't done it. The other locals here are still using 2.5, too, although I
told them to try 3.

I also measured my tail height recently, and it is at 9 feet 3 inches. Does
that sound like a 2.5* angle? With the 360, I am getting off the water
pretty fast now, but what the hey, if it can be even better, I'll try it. I
still haven't tried it this year at a high elevation lake with a good load.
That will be the real test.

Did a flight out to the lake today, actually. Just installed a new Icom
A210, and was testing it, and adjusting my VOX squelches.

Walter

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G. O'Shea
Sent: November 22, 2008 7:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Quite possible Ken. I still drag my keels on some days while trying to horse

it off the water in less than 9 or 10 seconds..which of course makes the run

15 instead. With CYP Howard always said it was great at 2.3*... but then
when I sold it the new owner (with 30+ thousand hours) complained it
wouldn't leave the water without lifting a float as he couldn't rotate it to

climb out. We made it exactly the same as mine @ 3.4/3.5 and it was like
night and day. It jumped off the water... unfortunately it jumped thru a
soya bean field in July as well to end CYP's life! Bob White's Elite, in the

hangar, is on Clamar 2200's and I mounted it at 3.5*'s as well... and it
very quick off the water. He gets out just as short as I do with my Rebel.

I think Bruce Georgen is mounted at 4 or 4.5* with his Rebel. Don't think he

has the Angus cuff and he is happy with his performance as well.

I just can't see getting a Rebel or Elite off the water in any efficient
manner at only 1.7* throat angle.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Hmmm
So maybe 4.5 with the Mackenzie drooped leading edge then since it
lowers the wing angle of incidence about 1.5* ??

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Eric... have you tried getting your Elite to fly off the water yet @ only
1.7 degrees? Even at 2.3* hard to get them to part the surface as trying
to
rotate the "wing" to get airborne will have you dragging the rear keel. 3

to
3.5* seems to work best and I've adjusted more than a few and always end
up
at 3.3 to 3.5*'s

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Fogelin" <elist@whidbey.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

My Elite on Murphy 1800 amphibs is 10'-1" to top of the tail. The Comm
antenna on the cabin roof is nearly the same. The tail height can vary
depending on what angle you set your floats.

I set my floats at 1.7 degrees (top of float compared to bottom of main
cabin. Others are setting higher angles: 2, 2.5, 3 and 3+ degrees. The
greater the angle, the lower your tail (by quite a bit).

Eric
Elite 645E

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Can't help with the tail height vs angle,Walter, as my mounting struts are
shorter than MAM spec...and my spreaders a tad narrower as well to maintain
the load angles of the struts.

Do you have any holes left on your rear strut fittings? One hole seems to =
about 0.4 degrees or so...and if you have any turnbuckle thread left
lowering doesn't change the cable lengths too much.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Bruce's was at 3.5 degrees, which I thought was the largest angle anyone
was
using at the time. Mine is still at 2.5. It has been my intention for a
while now to move it to 3* next time I have the floats off, but still
haven't done it. The other locals here are still using 2.5, too, although
I
told them to try 3.

I also measured my tail height recently, and it is at 9 feet 3 inches.
Does
that sound like a 2.5* angle? With the 360, I am getting off the water
pretty fast now, but what the hey, if it can be even better, I'll try it.
I
still haven't tried it this year at a high elevation lake with a good
load.
That will be the real test.

Did a flight out to the lake today, actually. Just installed a new Icom
A210, and was testing it, and adjusting my VOX squelches.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: November 22, 2008 7:51 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Quite possible Ken. I still drag my keels on some days while trying to
horse

it off the water in less than 9 or 10 seconds..which of course makes the
run

15 instead. With CYP Howard always said it was great at 2.3*... but then
when I sold it the new owner (with 30+ thousand hours) complained it
wouldn't leave the water without lifting a float as he couldn't rotate it
to

climb out. We made it exactly the same as mine @ 3.4/3.5 and it was like
night and day. It jumped off the water... unfortunately it jumped thru a
soya bean field in July as well to end CYP's life! Bob White's Elite, in
the

hangar, is on Clamar 2200's and I mounted it at 3.5*'s as well... and it
very quick off the water. He gets out just as short as I do with my Rebel.

I think Bruce Georgen is mounted at 4 or 4.5* with his Rebel. Don't think
he

has the Angus cuff and he is happy with his performance as well.

I just can't see getting a Rebel or Elite off the water in any efficient
manner at only 1.7* throat angle.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Hmmm
So maybe 4.5 with the Mackenzie drooped leading edge then since it
lowers the wing angle of incidence about 1.5* ??

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Eric... have you tried getting your Elite to fly off the water yet @
only
1.7 degrees? Even at 2.3* hard to get them to part the surface as trying
to
rotate the "wing" to get airborne will have you dragging the rear keel.
3

to
3.5* seems to work best and I've adjusted more than a few and always end
up
at 3.3 to 3.5*'s

----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

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[Walter Klatt]

Yes, I had purposely left holes on top and bottom. But I didn't want to have
to redo cables, which is why I was waiting for a down time opportunity.
Maybe this winter, as I want to take the floats off some time for a thorough
inspection and replacement of the hydraulic and brake lines.

I got my pads replaced, as you suggested, at the local shop on the field,
and they didn't gouge me too bad, I think, at 61 bucks incl tax for all
four. Brakes are good now.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: November 22, 2008 8:32 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Can't help with the tail height vs angle,Walter, as my mounting struts are
shorter than MAM spec...and my spreaders a tad narrower as well to maintain
the load angles of the struts.

Do you have any holes left on your rear strut fittings? One hole seems to =
about 0.4 degrees or so...and if you have any turnbuckle thread left
lowering doesn't change the cable lengths too much.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Bruce's was at 3.5 degrees, which I thought was the largest angle anyone
was
using at the time. Mine is still at 2.5. It has been my intention for a
while now to move it to 3* next time I have the floats off, but still
haven't done it. The other locals here are still using 2.5, too, although
I
told them to try 3.

I also measured my tail height recently, and it is at 9 feet 3 inches.
Does
that sound like a 2.5* angle? With the 360, I am getting off the water
pretty fast now, but what the hey, if it can be even better, I'll try it.
I
still haven't tried it this year at a high elevation lake with a good
load.
That will be the real test.

Did a flight out to the lake today, actually. Just installed a new Icom
A210, and was testing it, and adjusting my VOX squelches.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: November 22, 2008 7:51 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Quite possible Ken. I still drag my keels on some days while trying to
horse

it off the water in less than 9 or 10 seconds..which of course makes the
run

15 instead. With CYP Howard always said it was great at 2.3*... but then
when I sold it the new owner (with 30+ thousand hours) complained it
wouldn't leave the water without lifting a float as he couldn't rotate it
to

climb out. We made it exactly the same as mine @ 3.4/3.5 and it was like
night and day. It jumped off the water... unfortunately it jumped thru a
soya bean field in July as well to end CYP's life! Bob White's Elite, in
the

hangar, is on Clamar 2200's and I mounted it at 3.5*'s as well... and it
very quick off the water. He gets out just as short as I do with my Rebel.

I think Bruce Georgen is mounted at 4 or 4.5* with his Rebel. Don't think
he

has the Angus cuff and he is happy with his performance as well.

I just can't see getting a Rebel or Elite off the water in any efficient
manner at only 1.7* throat angle.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Hmmm
So maybe 4.5 with the Mackenzie drooped leading edge then since it
lowers the wing angle of incidence about 1.5* ??

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Eric... have you tried getting your Elite to fly off the water yet @
only
1.7 degrees? Even at 2.3* hard to get them to part the surface as trying
to
rotate the "wing" to get airborne will have you dragging the rear keel.
3

to
3.5* seems to work best and I've adjusted more than a few and always end
up
at 3.3 to 3.5*'s

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Fogelin" <elist@whidbey.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Pretty cheap Walter... I've had to pay as much as $16 A PAD at times just to
get stock.

I dropped Howard's1 hole and had just enough TBuckle thread left to
retighten the cables. When the new owner wanted more throat angle.. I got
rid of the "tangs" at the top attach fitting and replaced the bolt with an
eye bolt.. then used it's eye to attach the TBuckle clevis pin...giving me
full turnbuckle thread usage again without making new cables.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Yes, I had purposely left holes on top and bottom. But I didn't want to
have
to redo cables, which is why I was waiting for a down time opportunity.
Maybe this winter, as I want to take the floats off some time for a
thorough
inspection and replacement of the hydraulic and brake lines.

I got my pads replaced, as you suggested, at the local shop on the field,
and they didn't gouge me too bad, I think, at 61 bucks incl tax for all
four. Brakes are good now.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: November 22, 2008 8:32 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Can't help with the tail height vs angle,Walter, as my mounting struts are
shorter than MAM spec...and my spreaders a tad narrower as well to
maintain
the load angles of the struts.

Do you have any holes left on your rear strut fittings? One hole seems to
=
about 0.4 degrees or so...and if you have any turnbuckle thread left
lowering doesn't change the cable lengths too much.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Bruce's was at 3.5 degrees, which I thought was the largest angle anyone
was
using at the time. Mine is still at 2.5. It has been my intention for a
while now to move it to 3* next time I have the floats off, but still
haven't done it. The other locals here are still using 2.5, too, although
I
told them to try 3.

I also measured my tail height recently, and it is at 9 feet 3 inches.
Does
that sound like a 2.5* angle? With the 360, I am getting off the water
pretty fast now, but what the hey, if it can be even better, I'll try it.
I
still haven't tried it this year at a high elevation lake with a good
load.
That will be the real test.

Did a flight out to the lake today, actually. Just installed a new Icom
A210, and was testing it, and adjusting my VOX squelches.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: November 22, 2008 7:51 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Quite possible Ken. I still drag my keels on some days while trying to
horse

it off the water in less than 9 or 10 seconds..which of course makes the
run

15 instead. With CYP Howard always said it was great at 2.3*... but then
when I sold it the new owner (with 30+ thousand hours) complained it
wouldn't leave the water without lifting a float as he couldn't rotate it
to

climb out. We made it exactly the same as mine @ 3.4/3.5 and it was like
night and day. It jumped off the water... unfortunately it jumped thru a
soya bean field in July as well to end CYP's life! Bob White's Elite, in
the

hangar, is on Clamar 2200's and I mounted it at 3.5*'s as well... and it
very quick off the water. He gets out just as short as I do with my
Rebel.

I think Bruce Georgen is mounted at 4 or 4.5* with his Rebel. Don't think
he

has the Angus cuff and he is happy with his performance as well.

I just can't see getting a Rebel or Elite off the water in any efficient
manner at only 1.7* throat angle.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Hmmm
So maybe 4.5 with the Mackenzie drooped leading edge then since it
lowers the wing angle of incidence about 1.5* ??

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

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[Drew Dalgleish]

My floats are at 2.5 and if I rush my take off it will drag the heels
unless I lift one float out first. I've resisted increasing the angle
because I believed my cruise speed would suffer. Any idea how much the
extra drag slows you down?

At 10:51 PM 11/22/2008 -0500, you wrote:

Quite possible Ken. I still drag my keels on some days while trying to horse
it off the water in less than 9 or 10 seconds..which of course makes the run
15 instead. With CYP Howard always said it was great at 2.3*... but then
when I sold it the new owner (with 30+ thousand hours) complained it
wouldn't leave the water without lifting a float as he couldn't rotate it to
climb out. We made it exactly the same as mine @ 3.4/3.5 and it was like
night and day. It jumped off the water... unfortunately it jumped thru a
soya bean field in July as well to end CYP's life! Bob White's Elite, in the
hangar, is on Clamar 2200's and I mounted it at 3.5*'s as well... and it
very quick off the water. He gets out just as short as I do with my Rebel.

I think Bruce Georgen is mounted at 4 or 4.5* with his Rebel. Don't think he
has the Angus cuff and he is happy with his performance as well.

I just can't see getting a Rebel or Elite off the water in any efficient
manner at only 1.7* throat angle.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

Hmmm
So maybe 4.5 with the Mackenzie drooped leading edge then since it
lowers the wing angle of incidence about 1.5* ??

Ken

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Eric... have you tried getting your Elite to fly off the water yet @ only
1.7 degrees? Even at 2.3* hard to get them to part the surface as trying
to
rotate the "wing" to get airborne will have you dragging the rear keel. 3
to
3.5* seems to work best and I've adjusted more than a few and always end
up
at 3.3 to 3.5*'s

----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Amphib Height

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