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[rebel-builders] Fuel Tank Sending Gauge

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Ron Shannon

[rebel-builders] Fuel Tank Sending Gauge

Post by Ron Shannon » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:32 pm

I have Westach capacitance probes. See <*http://tinyurl.com/6darau/>* and <*
http://tinyurl.com/5gyfn4/>* They can be hooked to Westach's round analog
gauge or will connect to any of the modern EFIS systems, such as the
AFS-3400 I have, or Dynon or whatever.

Ron


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Craig Walls <snowyrvr@mtaonline.net> wrote:
We have decided not to use the sight gauges with our tanks. Can anyone
tell
us which fuel gauge/sending unit they have used with success? We're at
the
point of putting holes in the root rib and must make a decision.









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Craig Walls

[rebel-builders] Fuel Tank Sending Gauge

Post by Craig Walls » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:32 pm

Nice...does it mount from the bottom? I notice there's no moving arm. Do
you have any photos of your install? Thanks CW

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ron
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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 5:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank Sending Gauge

I have Westach capacitance probes. See <*http://tinyurl.com/6darau/>* and <*
http://tinyurl.com/5gyfn4/>* They can be hooked to Westach's round analog
gauge or will connect to any of the modern EFIS systems, such as the
AFS-3400 I have, or Dynon or whatever.

Ron


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Craig Walls <snowyrvr@mtaonline.net> wrote:
We have decided not to use the sight gauges with our tanks. Can anyone
tell
us which fuel gauge/sending unit they have used with success? We're at
the
point of putting holes in the root rib and must make a decision.









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Dale Fultz

[rebel-builders] Fuel Tank Sending Gauge

Post by Dale Fultz » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:32 pm

----- I used the EI's mini capacative (Spelling?) sending unint very small
and easy to install.. Works well in the shop no moving parts. Can let you
know next week how it flys.. Dale SR-033 N269DF Have photos now if I can
figure the new program I have how to post them..




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Mike Davis

[rebel-builders] Fuel Tank Sending Gauge

Post by Mike Davis » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:32 pm

Fuel/Air capacitance probes do not have moving parts, they have two
conductive tubes nested one inside the other, and as the fuel level goes up
or down, the capacitance value changes... this value is used to calculate
the fuel level.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Walls" <snowyrvr@mtaonline.net>
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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:51 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank Sending Gauge

Nice...does it mount from the bottom? I notice there's no moving arm. Do
you have any photos of your install? Thanks CW

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Shannon
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 5:42 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank Sending Gauge

I have Westach capacitance probes. See <*http://tinyurl.com/6darau/>* and
<*
http://tinyurl.com/5gyfn4/>* They can be hooked to Westach's round analog
gauge or will connect to any of the modern EFIS systems, such as the
AFS-3400 I have, or Dynon or whatever.

Ron


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Craig Walls <snowyrvr@mtaonline.net>
wrote:
We have decided not to use the sight gauges with our tanks. Can anyone
tell
us which fuel gauge/sending unit they have used with success? We're at
the
point of putting holes in the root rib and must make a decision.


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Ron Shannon

[rebel-builders] Fuel Tank Sending Gauge

Post by Ron Shannon » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:32 pm

The round "hockey puck" you see at one end in the catalog pics is mounted in
the root rib. The capacitance tube itself can be bent somewhat to fit
different types of tanks. There are three wires. Electrically, it's wired
more or less like a potentiometer -- +12V, GRND, and a sweeper/sensing lead.
Of course, they have install and calibration instructions.

Here's one picture. <*http://tinyurl.com/4ty4tt/>* I may have some more.

Ron


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Craig Walls <snowyrvr@mtaonline.net> wrote:

Nice...does it mount from the bottom? I notice there's no moving arm. Do
you have any photos of your install? Thanks CW


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Ron Shannon

[rebel-builders] Fuel Tank Sending Gauge

Post by Ron Shannon » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:32 pm

BTW, if I were doing this again -- before it was sealed up -- I'd consider
adding empty tank alert sensors. See <
http://aircraftextras.com/FuelSensor1.htm>

Ron


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com> wrote:
The round "hockey puck" you see at one end in the catalog pics is mounted
in the root rib. The capacitance tube itself can be bent somewhat to fit
different types of tanks. There are three wires. Electrically, it's wired
more or less like a potentiometer -- +12V, GRND, and a sweeper/sensing lead.
Of course, they have install and calibration instructions.

Here's one picture. <*http://tinyurl.com/4ty4tt/>* I may have some more.

Ron



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Craig Walls

[rebel-builders] Fuel Tank Sending Gauge

Post by Craig Walls » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:32 pm

So, if I get this, the upper hole at the front of the root rib would be a
vent to the other tank, the lower hole at the front of the rib would be for
the fuel gage, and the lower hole at the rear would be for the fuel pick-up.


In my manual they show a cross vent between the two tanks with a metal tube
that extends through the roof to get a ram air effect. Not sure if that's
necessary, could probably do the same thing with those fuel caps with the
ram-air tubes built in.


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Shannon
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:30 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank Sending Gauge

The round "hockey puck" you see at one end in the catalog pics is mounted in
the root rib. The capacitance tube itself can be bent somewhat to fit
different types of tanks. There are three wires. Electrically, it's wired
more or less like a potentiometer -- +12V, GRND, and a sweeper/sensing lead.
Of course, they have install and calibration instructions.

Here's one picture. <*http://tinyurl.com/4ty4tt/>* I may have some more.

Ron


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Craig Walls <snowyrvr@mtaonline.net> wrote:

Nice...does it mount from the bottom? I notice there's no moving arm. Do
you have any photos of your install? Thanks CW


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Ron Shannon

[rebel-builders] Fuel Tank Sending Gauge

Post by Ron Shannon » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:32 pm

The upper forward hole is for the cross vent, which is necessary to equalize
pressure in the tanks, such as if one external vent (see below) is plugged
by bugs, for example. Imagine what happens if one tank's external vent is
plugged and there's no cross vent. The tank develops negative pressure --
and the fuel stops flowing down. That may result in fuel starvation and ruin
your day -- whether you inline valves for each tank, or just one valve at
or after the junction of the fuel lines from the two tanks. Regardless, the
cross vent is mandatory. I have some pictures of mine & will try to locate
them.

Of course, you also need the external vents, which could be snorkels coming
up from somewhere in the cross vent, or snorkels in the gas caps. Both
locations will put some positive air pressure into the tanks, which is a
good thing. Putting snorkels in the gas caps may be a little better, because
you don't run the risk of a blockage in the cross vent line between
snorkel(s) and tank(s), and snorkels in the gas caps are easily tested with
a blow when you add fuel, etc.

Not sure about your descriptions of the other holes. The bottom-most hole in
the root rib, about 7-8 inches forward of the torque tube, is for fuel line
output. The hole in the bottom of the wing is for a fuel tester drain.

If you use capacitance probe gauges (or some float gauge type -- as far as
that goes) you'll need to cut a hole for them, per their installation
instructions. See the photo I linked to before, where the capacitance probes
are shown as a roughly 2.5" dia. black "hockey puck" circle near the upper
forward part of the rib, about 2 inches forward of the cross vent
connection.

Ron


On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Craig Walls <snowyrvr@mtaonline.net>
wrote:
So, if I get this, the upper hole at the front of the root rib would be a
vent to the other tank, the lower hole at the front of the rib would be
for
the fuel gage, and the lower hole at the rear would be for the fuel
pick-up.


In my manual they show a cross vent between the two tanks with a metal
tube
that extends through the roof to get a ram air effect. Not sure if
that's
necessary, could probably do the same thing with those fuel caps with the
ram-air tubes built in.



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