Tailspring mod

Legeorgen · Post by **Legeorgen** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

Wayne,

About the laminated sheets... what a great explanation! I appreciate your
commence sense and engineering knowledge. I'll take that and your real world
experience any day.

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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

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Wayne,

About the laminated sheets... what a great explanation! I appreciate your
commence sense and engineering knowledge. I'll take that and your real

world

experience any day.

Bruce G 357 R

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rebelair · Post by **rebelair** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

Hi Folks

Can anyone please put the tail post AD from MAM on this site? My email
password at MAM is longer working. I would appreciate it if you could post
it for me.

Thanks

Brian #328R

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Klatt [mailto:Walter.Klatt@home.com]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:32 PM
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Subject: Re: Tailspring mod

I have done the tail post fix, as per MAM's bulletin, but haven't done this
doubler fix
yet. As I understand it, this protects against hard landings and rough tail
wheel
handling. What if you are on floats? Is this doubler mod still necessary? My
apologies if
this has already been answered.

"Wayne G. O'Shea" wrote:

The doubler sounds great Joel! This will really help strengthen the tail
spring area!

Wayne

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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Tailspring mod

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Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Tailspring mod

Yes, I would still do the .032 doubler between the post and the spring
attach bulkhead, as we "Ontarians" have been doing for some time (8
years
+).
I got my tailwrap doubler fitted over the weekend. For the trim line I
fastened a felt tip marker to a piece of string. I held the marker at

the

top of the tailwrap at the fin spar and held the string at the bottom
corner
of the tailwrap. I drew an 90 degree arc that ended about 8" forward

from

the bottom rear corner.
The doubler catches the bottom 2/3rds of the bathtub fitting and

extends

about 2" in front of the tailspring bolt. Does this sound like I did it
right? I don't have any good pictures of a Rebel with this doubler on

it.

Joel

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Drew and Jan · Post by **Drew and Jan** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

At 10:36 AM 10/4/00 -0400, you wrote:

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I have to disagree with you on this Ken rolled aluminum definatly has a
grain and is stronger in one direction. I can tear .020 with my hands
along
the grain. try it. Drew Dalgleish
How do you remove the blood stains after attempting this? ;)

Joel

I just bathe in MEK. It gives mev a nice cool tingly feeling :}

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Joel Jacobs · Post by **Joel Jacobs** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Tailspring mod

I have to disagree with you on this Ken rolled aluminum definatly has a
grain and is stronger in one direction. I can tear .020 with my hands

along

the grain. try it. Drew Dalgleish

How do you remove the blood stains after attempting this? ;)

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Wray Thompson · Post by **Wray Thompson** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

It's available on my site under safety bulletins.
http://webhome.idirect.com/~wrayt/bulletin.html

rebelair wrote:

Hi Folks

Can anyone please put the tail post AD from MAM on this site? My email
password at MAM is longer working. I would appreciate it if you could post
it for me.

Thanks

Brian #328R

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klehman · Post by **klehman** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

Hi Drew

Neat (but scary) experiment. It seems to tear easilly with or against
the grain for me. (started the cut with the shears and then tried
tearing it).
Sure illustrates why nicks and scratches are not a good thing.

A good point though, aluminum sheet certainly has a grain and as such it
should be easier to tear or fatigue it parallel to the grain. Generally
metal does fail along the weaker grain boundaries. That is a failure
mode that may have to be allowed for in some applications. If you bend
the metal to its yield point, such as when we intentionally bend a
bracket, it certainly makes sense to do it at right angles to the grain
where possible.

But we are trying to operate our airframe in the lower stress region
below the yield point (where the metal is permanently bent). In this
region the aluminum generally has the same strength in all directions as
I understand it.

I'm curious if anyone has ever seen a recommendation to not parallel the
grain when fabricating a doubler?? I never have but I'm not too old to
learn a new trick if someone else has.

Ken

Drew and Jan wrote:

I have to disagree with you on this Ken rolled aluminum definatly has a
grain and is stronger in one direction. I can tear .020 with my hands along
the grain. try it. Drew Dalgleish

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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

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The great joys of a Democratic Society!!! We can all take as much as we
"cared" to absorb from those personal one sided (not neccessarily correct)
views that our Professors and Teachers rammed down our throats in "Strength
of Materials" lectures and combine this <little> retained engineering
knowledge with (in my case) 20 years of practical, hands on experience with
4 years in glass blow moulding (plant electro-mechanical engineer -
Consumers Glass - Milton), 16 years (and more every day) in plastic
injection moulding (owned corporation) and of course the last 7 years
working with aluminum (40 to 60 hours per week), and come up with <our> own
views as to what is a correct answer! I'm definitely not saying that I have
all (or any of) the correct answers, just stating it's the way <I> "care" to
decifered the Engineering aspects and knowledge gained from the 38 years
I've been alive!

Keep at it guys, your keeping my old engineering books dust free anyways!!!!

Regards to all,
Wayne G.O'Shea
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At 01:36 PM 10/3/00 -0400, you wrote:
Another opinion FWIW...

I can not agree that two 0.020 laminated sheets are stronger than one
0.040 sheet. In some modes such as bending they will generally be weaker
due to stress concentrations at rivets, but admittedly that is not a
mode that is usually significant for us. Aluminum is not generally
stronger in one plane or direction than another,
I have to disagree with you on this Ken rolled aluminum definatly has a
grain and is stronger in one direction. I can tear .020 with my hands

along

the grain. try it. Drew Dalgleish
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rebelair · Post by **rebelair** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

Hi Ken

Thanks very much for sending me the AD on the tail. I will try the MAM site
as you mentioned.

Best Regards

Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:03 AM
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Subject: Re: Tailspring mod

Hope you don't get a dozen copies - Ken
ps.- lately if you go to the MAM home page and click on SUPPORT it seems
to work without a password.

rebelair wrote:

Hi Folks

Can anyone please put the tail post AD from MAM on this site? My email
password at MAM is longer working. I would appreciate it if you could

post

it for me.

Thanks

Brian #328R

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Klatt [mailto:Walter.Klatt@home.com]
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:32 PM
To: (Murphy Rebel Builders List)
Subject: Re: Tailspring mod

I have done the tail post fix, as per MAM's bulletin, but haven't done

this

doubler fix
yet. As I understand it, this protects against hard landings and rough

tail

wheel
handling. What if you are on floats? Is this doubler mod still necessary?

My

apologies if
this has already been answered.

"Wayne G. O'Shea" wrote:

The doubler sounds great Joel! This will really help strengthen the tail
spring area!

Wayne

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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Tailspring mod

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From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Tailspring mod

spring

years
I got my tailwrap doubler fitted over the weekend. For the trim line

I

fastened a felt tip marker to a piece of string. I held the marker at
the
top of the tailwrap at the fin spar and held the string at the bottom
corner
of the tailwrap. I drew an 90 degree arc that ended about 8" forward
from
the bottom rear corner.
The doubler catches the bottom 2/3rds of the bathtub fitting and
extends
about 2" in front of the tailspring bolt. Does this sound like I did

it

right? I don't have any good pictures of a Rebel with this doubler on
it.
Joel

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rebelair · Post by **rebelair** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

Hi Wray

Thanks very much for directions to the AD on your site. I will have a look.

Happy Building

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rebelair · Post by **rebelair** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

Hi There

I bet that when you get MEK into a cut after attempting to bare handedly rip
0.020" aluminium along the grain, you get more than a cool tingly feeling.

Downright painful in my experience!

Brian #328R

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From: Drew and Jan [mailto:drewjan@execulink.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 5:20 AM
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Subject: Re: Tailspring mod

At 10:36 AM 10/4/00 -0400, you wrote:

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From: "Drew and Jan" <drewjan@execulink.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Tailspring mod

I have to disagree with you on this Ken rolled aluminum definatly has a
grain and is stronger in one direction. I can tear .020 with my hands
along
the grain. try it. Drew Dalgleish
How do you remove the blood stains after attempting this? ;)

Joel

I just bathe in MEK. It gives mev a nice cool tingly feeling :}

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Legeorgen · Post by **Legeorgen** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

In a message dated 10/4/00 8:36:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
wrayt@idirect.com writes:

http://webhome.idirect.com/~wrayt/bulletin.html

Wray,

Great job on your web page. I used it extensively when I first was pursuing a
Rebel purchase. Thanks.

Bruce G 357R
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Joel Jacobs · Post by **Joel Jacobs** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

Sometimes when I get cut I'll glue the wound shut with super glue. After
all it says right on the tube "bonds skin on contact" No kidding!

Joel

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Hi There

I bet that when you get MEK into a cut after attempting to bare handedly

rip

0.020" aluminium along the grain, you get more than a cool tingly feeling.

Downright painful in my experience!

Brian #328R

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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 5:20 AM
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At 10:36 AM 10/4/00 -0400, you wrote:
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Tailspring mod

I have to disagree with you on this Ken rolled aluminum definatly has a
grain and is stronger in one direction. I can tear .020 with my hands
along
the grain. try it. Drew Dalgleish
How do you remove the blood stains after attempting this? ;)

Joel

I just bathe in MEK. It gives mev a nice cool tingly feeling :}
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Terry McClary · Post by **Terry McClary** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:26 pm

I read somewhere that Super Glue was a war development effort to be used
in closing wounds. Faster than stitching and I guess more sterile for
the wound.

Terry

On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:04:40 -0400 "Joel Jacobs" <jj@netexp.net> writes:

Sometimes when I get cut I'll glue the wound shut with super glue.
After
all it says right on the tube "bonds skin on contact" No kidding!

Joel

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Hi There

I bet that when you get MEK into a cut after attempting to bare
handedly
rip
0.020" aluminium along the grain, you get more than a cool tingly
feeling.
Downright painful in my experience!

Brian #328R

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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 5:20 AM
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At 10:36 AM 10/4/00 -0400, you wrote:
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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:05 PM
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definatly has a
hands
along How do you remove the blood stains after attempting this? ;)

Joel

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