[rebel-builders] Need to Vent!

[Keith Leitch]

Craig,

I feel your pain!! There will be days that you are glad you are several thousand miles away from MAM. It's those days that you feel that if the guy that wrote the manual was there, you might be knocking th snot out of him! JK On those days its best just to walk away for a bit, calm down, and do something else for awhile.



Craig Walls <snowyrvr@mtaonline.net> wrote:
Well, I am really struggling with this fin. This is as much a venting as it
is a cry for help. I have built the dang thing twice now; two front spars,
two rear spars, 2 sets of ribs, etc. The first time I had it together
except for the leading edge skin but didn't rivet it because it wouldn't lie
flat. I decided I was pulling it up or out of shape with the skin so I
remade the ribs and spars (save the skins!).



Today I had it pretty flat and riveted one skin on but the other side was a
#%#@!! and the second set of L E skin holes didn't match up and actually,
skin didn't perfectly match the ribs and spars either. Looks like I'll be
paying MAM a visit for some parts/pieces.



I'm using lots of clecos, working carefully, etc. It's quite a job getting
the edges to match up with all of those creases in the skin. There must be
some trick to building ribs and spars accurately when they don't even lie
flat on the skin!



The worst of it is that I read ahead and I know there's pretty much more of
the same thing in the rest of the control surfaces section!



If you have no hints or suggestions, a sympathetic moment of silence will
do. Lol craig R207









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[Jesse Jenks]

Craig,
You do have BOTH skins clecoed on before doing any riveting right?

From: snowyrvr@mtaonline.net
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Need to Vent!
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:53:05 -0900

Well, I am really struggling with this fin. This is as much a venting as it
is a cry for help. I have built the dang thing twice now; two front spars,
two rear spars, 2 sets of ribs, etc. The first time I had it together
except for the leading edge skin but didn't rivet it because it wouldn't lie
flat. I decided I was pulling it up or out of shape with the skin so I
remade the ribs and spars (save the skins!).



Today I had it pretty flat and riveted one skin on but the other side was a
#%#@!! and the second set of L E skin holes didn't match up and actually,
skin didn't perfectly match the ribs and spars either. Looks like I'll be
paying MAM a visit for some parts/pieces.



I'm using lots of clecos, working carefully, etc. It's quite a job getting
the edges to match up with all of those creases in the skin. There must be
some trick to building ribs and spars accurately when they don't even lie
flat on the skin!



The worst of it is that I read ahead and I know there's pretty much more of
the same thing in the rest of the control surfaces section!



If you have no hints or suggestions, a sympathetic moment of silence will
do. Lol craig R207









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[snowyrvr@mtaonline.net]

Hi Jesse,
Do you mean have one side clecoed while I'm riveting the other? If so,
then no. I fitted one skin, flipped it over on some supports (with clecos
in place) and then fit the other side. When I assembled them I just did
one side at a time.

Original Message:
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From: Jesse Jenks jessejenks@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:53:36 -0800
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Need to Vent!



Craig,
You do have BOTH skins clecoed on before doing any riveting right?

From: snowyrvr@mtaonline.net
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Need to Vent!
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:53:05 -0900

Well, I am really struggling with this fin. This is as much a venting as

it

is a cry for help. I have built the dang thing twice now; two front

spars,

two rear spars, 2 sets of ribs, etc. The first time I had it together
except for the leading edge skin but didn't rivet it because it wouldn't

lie

flat. I decided I was pulling it up or out of shape with the skin so I
remade the ribs and spars (save the skins!).



Today I had it pretty flat and riveted one skin on but the other side was

a

#%#@!! and the second set of L E skin holes didn't match up and actually,
skin didn't perfectly match the ribs and spars either. Looks like I'll be
paying MAM a visit for some parts/pieces.



I'm using lots of clecos, working carefully, etc. It's quite a job

getting

the edges to match up with all of those creases in the skin. There must

be

some trick to building ribs and spars accurately when they don't even lie
flat on the skin!



The worst of it is that I read ahead and I know there's pretty much more

of

the same thing in the rest of the control surfaces section!



If you have no hints or suggestions, a sympathetic moment of silence will
do. Lol craig R207









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[Mike Kimball]

Something doesn't sound right. If you have repeated troubles restarting
with the same skins perhaps there is something wrong with the skins. It has
been many years since I built mine but I remember the control surface
construction as being very cookbook with no fitting problems. I just
followed the manual step by step assuming it would lead to the finished
product. (Don't do that for the wings and fuselage. That's where the
manual starts deteriorating.) I do completely agree with Jesse about having
the entire assembly clecoed before setting any rivets.

Mike
044SR

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
snowyrvr@mtaonline.net
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:39 AM
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Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Need to Vent!

Hi Jesse,
Do you mean have one side clecoed while I'm riveting the other? If so,
then no. I fitted one skin, flipped it over on some supports (with clecos
in place) and then fit the other side. When I assembled them I just did
one side at a time.

Original Message:
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From: Jesse Jenks jessejenks@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:53:36 -0800
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Need to Vent!



Craig,
You do have BOTH skins clecoed on before doing any riveting right?

From: snowyrvr@mtaonline.net
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Need to Vent!
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:53:05 -0900

Well, I am really struggling with this fin. This is as much a venting as

it

is a cry for help. I have built the dang thing twice now; two front

spars,

two rear spars, 2 sets of ribs, etc. The first time I had it together
except for the leading edge skin but didn't rivet it because it wouldn't

lie

flat. I decided I was pulling it up or out of shape with the skin so I
remade the ribs and spars (save the skins!).



Today I had it pretty flat and riveted one skin on but the other side was

a

#%#@!! and the second set of L E skin holes didn't match up and actually,
skin didn't perfectly match the ribs and spars either. Looks like I'll be
paying MAM a visit for some parts/pieces.



I'm using lots of clecos, working carefully, etc. It's quite a job

getting

the edges to match up with all of those creases in the skin. There must

be

some trick to building ribs and spars accurately when they don't even lie
flat on the skin!



The worst of it is that I read ahead and I know there's pretty much more

of

the same thing in the rest of the control surfaces section!



If you have no hints or suggestions, a sympathetic moment of silence will
do. Lol craig R207









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[Jesse Jenks]

Craig, That may be the problem. I remember having the whole thing clecoed before any riveting.
Jesse> From: snowyrvr@mtaonline.net> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Need to Vent!> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:39:22 -0500> > Hi Jesse,> Do you mean have one side clecoed while I'm riveting the other? If so,> then no. I fitted one skin, flipped it over on some supports (with clecos> in place) and then fit the other side. When I assembled them I just did> one side at a time.> > Original Message:> -----------------> From: Jesse Jenks jessejenks@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:53:36 -0800> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Need to Vent!> > > > Craig,> You do have BOTH skins clecoed on before doing any riveting right?> > > From: snowyrvr@mtaonline.net> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com> > Subject: [rebel-builders] Need to Vent!> > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:53:05 -0900> > > > Well, I am really struggling with this fin. This is as much a venting as> it> > is a cry for help. I have built the dang thing twice now; two front> spars,> > tw
o rear spars, 2 sets of

ribs, etc. The first time I had it together> > except for the leading edge skin but didn't rivet it because it wouldn't> lie> > flat. I decided I was pulling it up or out of shape with the skin so I> > remade the ribs and spars (save the skins!).> > > > > > > > Today I had it pretty flat and riveted one skin on but the other side was> a> > #%#@!! and the second set of L E skin holes didn't match up and actually,> > skin didn't perfectly match the ribs and spars either. Looks like I'll be> > paying MAM a visit for some parts/pieces.> > > > > > > > I'm using lots of clecos, working carefully, etc. It's quite a job> getting> > the edges to match up with all of those creases in the skin. There must> be> > some trick to building ribs and spars accurately when they don't even lie> > flat on the skin! > > > > > > > > The worst of it is that I read ahead and I know there's pretty much more> of> > the same thing in the rest of the control surfaces section!> > > > > > > > If you have no hints or
suggestions, a sympath
e
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