If you use the Vans baffles and cut the bottom of your inlets open another
1"this adds about 13 square inchs to your inlet area you will cool just fine
Look under Elite cowl section there are some pictures of the bigger inlet. You
don't need the internal plenum just good baffles save the weight
Sean
:On 10/10/2007 5:12 PM,
walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
-> Yeah, I will have to go through all that cowl and cooling stuff one more
-> time. I know you guys out east like the metal cowls. Despite the pain to
get
-> the fiberglass one off and on, I still prefer the looks.
->
-> I think you get better cooling too on the metal cowls because your inlets
-> are bigger. If you recall, that is what finally fixed mine, and I didn't
-> have to change them much either. But that resulted in 50 degrees cooler.
->
-> But in any case, where do you get this fiberglass plenum? Will it fit the
-> speed cowl?
->
-> I did find the part number for the carb heat box. Van's calls it an airbox,
-> which is why I missed it initially.
->
-> I will also be installing a new radio. Any recommendations? I want one
that
-> has a high power transmit, and will not give me any grief with noise,
either
-> antenna RF or from the electrics. I am pretty happy with the rest of my
-> instruments. With my new LS EI, I will also have a display that shows the
-> engine map and timing advance, which should be interesting. It even has
the
-> option of a knob to adjust your timing advance, but I don't think I will
-> push my luck with that one.
->
-> Another question for the XP360. Is the carb offset to the pilot side, and is
-> there a special speed cowl option from Murphy for this? My engine is an
A4M.
->
-> Walter
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From:
mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:
mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of Bob
-> Patterson
-> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:53 PM
-> To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
->
-> Hi John ! (and Walter ...) ;-)
->
-> Ralph Baker has aready been through this whole exercise
-> with his Elite - emails are in the archives. You can search
-> by SENDER ...and... KEYWORD in the BODY ...
->
-> He used the Vans airbox & baffles (it's a big round filter !)
-> and a Vans 'snorkel' fitting glassed onto the bottom front of the
-> 'speed cowl' - a very nice looking installation. He wanted
-> foolproof alternate air, which the Vans setup gives -
-> by a spring-loaded door .... plus the large paper filter.
->
-> Ralph must be travelling, or he'd have chimed in -
-> maybe we can get him to post a few pics to the FILES section ...
->
-> BTW Walter - Pierre used the molded fiberglass plenum for his
-> XP - it ducts ALL of the air in and down through the cylinders.
-> Absolutely NO cooling problems ! Only disadvantage is -
-> you have to take it off to get at the spark plugs ...
-> Of course, he did have a great 4 door metal cowling with
-> a large exit chute at the bottom.... (and the Thorp T-18
-> nosebowl - $80 from Aircraft Spruce ...)
->
-> --
-> ......bobp
->
http://www.prosumers.ca
->
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
->
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
->
http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com
->
-> -------------------------------orig.-------------------------
-> On Thursday 11 October 2007 00:48, John W wrote:
-> > Tks Bob will be interested to know .
-> > Ive started throwing stuff out to lighten up already.
-> > Big difference between 2050 and 2200 in performance.
-> > Put a new element in the Bracket today gotta figure
-> > out how to open it up without wrecking the cowling.
-> >
-> > --- Robert Andrews <
robert@montanasky.us> wrote:
-> > > John,
-> > >
-> > > Just measured the Bracket BA-4106 filter ... 5" x
-> > > 5.5" or 27.5 sq.in. But
-> > > this isn't the sq in of exposed filter ... its the
-> > > outside dimensions of the
-> > > filter which includes the metal frame. The
-> > > dimensions for the exposed
-> > > filter at the front are 3.75" x 4.25" or only 15.9
-> > > sq. in. ... a tad bit
-> > > short of the 27 sq. in. Sean mentions as the min
-> > > required. Wonder if 612e
-> > > needs a filter "mod" also. Looking forward to doing
-> > > the mentioned run-up
-> > > test with and again without the filter.
-> > >
-> > > John - don't know what 612e weighs. A lot of work's
-> > > been done since it last
-> > > flew ... to include the amphib hydraulics. I'll be
-> > > weighing it soon ...
-> > > will let you know.
-> > >
-> > > Bob 612e
-> > >
-> > > -----Original Message-----
-> > > From:
mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > > [mailto:
mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> > > John W
-> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:05 PM
-> > > To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >
-> > >
-> > > Thanks Sean, Clear to me waht the problem is.
-> > > I have noted my carb heat control is making metal
-> > > ,ready to fail no doubt. How do I get more air in
-> > > there
-> > > without a major mod?
-> > >
-> > > Tks
-> > >
-> > > ---
kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com wrote:
-> > > > All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox
-> > > > that fits an 360 carb but the
-> > > > airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name of
-> > > > the person that I spoke to at
-> > > > Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a
-> > >
-> > > minimum
-> > >
-> > > > of 27 square inchs of
-> > > > filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it
-> > > > will fail in about 25 hours of
-> > > > use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating
-> > >
-> > > from
-> > >
-> > > > the engine trying to draw
-> > > > air from the back side of the door. The first
-> > >
-> > > Elite
-> > >
-> > > > I built for Bob Fry had the
-> > > > standard filter and ran like crap at full power
-> > > > while belching black smoke.
-> > > > Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM
-> > > > increase at full throttle. I
-> > > > modified the box for a larger filter (not easy)
-> > >
-> > > now
-> > >
-> > > > I just put Vans air filters
-> > > > on and get it over with. Bob's plane is running a
-> > > > 76-56 prop and pulled 2460
-> > > > static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer. Bob
-> > > > cruises at 103 kts. at
-> > > > 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And
-> > >
-> > > it
-> > >
-> > > > is still for sale take
-> > > > advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
-> > > >
-> > > > Sean White
-> >
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