[rebel-builders] Fibreglass loft insulation

Drew Dalgleish · Post by **Drew Dalgleish** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:16 pm

I haven't seen it done but it doesn't surprize me that someone would try
it. I think it would be best to reassemble without it. What are you
rebuilding that required the floor removal?

At 03:10 PM 8/13/2007 -0900, you wrote:

Hi all, when I removed the floor of my rebel in the course of a rebuild I
discovered that the builder had filled the square voids in the floor with

loft

insulation presumably to deaden the drumming effect of the bare aluminium,
this would probably have been fine if water had not been trapped , it had
soaked into this stuff like a sponge, recon that he might have found a
balance problem if he had flown some more, any one else seen this done ?

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Bob Patterson · Post by **Bob Patterson** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:16 pm

Hi Peter !

Had heard of someone who used Styrofoam ...
yet another REALLY BAD IDEA !!!

You definitely want to get it out of there, and leave the spaces
empty ! The air will be a better insulator ;-)

It's a good idea to drill a 1/8" hole in front of each bulkhead,
all the way down the belly. This will allow water to drain, and
the bit of air that comes in will help keep it dry in there.

If noise really is an issue (not for me !), you can cover the
top of the floor with insulated bubble pack - this looks like the
plastic bubbles used for packing, except it has silver foil
on both sides. Available in rolls from lumber & farm supply
stores. Comes in various thicknesses - 1/4" or so works
well. I've used this before, in doors, on firewalls, in ceiling,
and in a curtain for the baggage area. it's VERY light, and
helps insulate sound AND heat, and it's cheap ! You can
use 2 or 3 layers if you want..... glue light fabric to it,
and you have headliner, or carpet for the rear ! :-)

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 14 August 2007 00:10, petergibbs@dcsol.com wrote:

Hi all, when I removed the floor of my rebel in the course of a rebuild I
discovered that the builder had filled the square voids in the floor with
loft insulation presumably to deaden the drumming effect of the bare
aluminium, this would probably have been fine if water had not been trapped
, it had soaked into this stuff like a sponge, recon that he might have
found a balance problem if he had flown some more, any one else seen this
done ?

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peter gibbs · Post by **peter gibbs** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:16 pm

Hi Bob,
thank for your reply, I suppose closed cell styrofoam would be ok but not
polystyrene foam, thanks for your tip for the bubble pack I will see if I
can source it in the UK. regards , Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fibreglass loft insulation

Hi Peter !

Had heard of someone who used Styrofoam ...
yet another REALLY BAD IDEA !!!

You definitely want to get it out of there, and leave the spaces
empty ! The air will be a better insulator ;-)

It's a good idea to drill a 1/8" hole in front of each bulkhead,
all the way down the belly. This will allow water to drain, and
the bit of air that comes in will help keep it dry in there.

If noise really is an issue (not for me !), you can cover the
top of the floor with insulated bubble pack - this looks like the
plastic bubbles used for packing, except it has silver foil
on both sides. Available in rolls from lumber & farm supply
stores. Comes in various thicknesses - 1/4" or so works
well. I've used this before, in doors, on firewalls, in ceiling,
and in a curtain for the baggage area. it's VERY light, and
helps insulate sound AND heat, and it's cheap ! You can
use 2 or 3 layers if you want..... glue light fabric to it,
and you have headliner, or carpet for the rear ! :-)

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 14 August 2007 00:10, petergibbs@dcsol.com wrote:
Hi all, when I removed the floor of my rebel in the course of a rebuild
I
discovered that the builder had filled the square voids in the floor with
loft insulation presumably to deaden the drumming effect of the bare
aluminium, this would probably have been fine if water had not been
trapped
, it had soaked into this stuff like a sponge, recon that he might have
found a balance problem if he had flown some more, any one else seen this
done ?

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peter gibbs · Post by **peter gibbs** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:16 pm

Hi Drew,
yes thought it was a bad idea, those voids looked tempting I suppose. My
rebuild is due to the previous owner putting it through a fence and ripping
off the undercarriage, then I discovered this fiberglass so out came the
floor ! !
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fibreglass loft insulation

I haven't seen it done but it doesn't surprize me that someone would try
it. I think it would be best to reassemble without it. What are you
rebuilding that required the floor removal?

At 03:10 PM 8/13/2007 -0900, you wrote:
Hi all, when I removed the floor of my rebel in the course of a rebuild I
discovered that the builder had filled the square voids in the floor with
loft
insulation presumably to deaden the drumming effect of the bare aluminium,
this would probably have been fine if water had not been trapped , it had
soaked into this stuff like a sponge, recon that he might have found a
balance problem if he had flown some more, any one else seen this done ?

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John W · Post by **John W** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:16 pm

Hi Peter
I used Airtex a friend gifted me a kit for a 182.
I had to buy more its pricey but super effective and
light goes on real quick as well reduced the DB level
in my plane so I can talk at idle w no headsets or on
the tele.
Rgds
JohnW

--- peter gibbs <peter.gibbs7@virgin.net> wrote:

Hi Bob,
thank for your reply, I suppose closed cell
styrofoam would be ok but not
polystyrene foam, thanks for your tip for the bubble
pack I will see if I
can source it in the UK. regards , Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fibreglass loft
insulation

Hi Peter !

Had heard of someone who used Styrofoam ...
yet another REALLY BAD IDEA !!!

You definitely want to get it out of there,
and leave the spaces
empty ! The air will be a better insulator
;-)
It's a good idea to drill a 1/8" hole in front
of each bulkhead,
all the way down the belly. This will allow water
to drain, and
the bit of air that comes in will help keep it dry
in there.
If noise really is an issue (not for me !), you
can cover the
top of the floor with insulated bubble pack - this
looks like the
plastic bubbles used for packing, except it has
silver foil
on both sides. Available in rolls from lumber &
farm supply
stores. Comes in various thicknesses - 1/4" or
so works
well. I've used this before, in doors, on
firewalls, in ceiling,
and in a curtain for the baggage area. it's VERY
light, and
helps insulate sound AND heat, and it's cheap !
You can
use 2 or 3 layers if you want..... glue light
fabric to it,
and you have headliner, or carpet for the rear !
:-)
--
......bobp

http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------

On Tuesday 14 August 2007 00:10,
petergibbs@dcsol.com wrote:
Hi all, when I removed the floor of my rebel in
the course of a rebuild
I
discovered that the builder had filled the square
voids in the floor with
loft insulation presumably to deaden the drumming
effect of the bare
aluminium, this would probably have been fine if
water had not been
trapped
, it had soaked into this stuff like a sponge,
recon that he might have
found a balance problem if he had flown some
more, any one else seen this
done ?

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N.Smith · Post by **N.Smith** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:16 pm

Hi Peter

I found this after a bit of searching...
http://www.sheffins.co.uk/products/show ... 35&SubCatI
D=72

I think there is a SI distributor in my local town of Loughborough, I'll
call in next time I'm passing and see if it looks like the same stuff.

Good luck on the rebuild, wonder where abouts you are ?

Nigel
G-ONIG
Elite 745E
Derby

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
peter gibbs
Sent: 14 August 2007 09:40
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fibreglass loft insulation

Hi Bob,
thank for your reply, I suppose closed cell styrofoam would be ok but not
polystyrene foam, thanks for your tip for the bubble pack I will see if I
can source it in the UK. regards , Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fibreglass loft insulation

Hi Peter !

Had heard of someone who used Styrofoam ...
yet another REALLY BAD IDEA !!!

You definitely want to get it out of there, and leave the spaces
empty ! The air will be a better insulator ;-)

It's a good idea to drill a 1/8" hole in front of each bulkhead,
all the way down the belly. This will allow water to drain, and
the bit of air that comes in will help keep it dry in there.

If noise really is an issue (not for me !), you can cover the
top of the floor with insulated bubble pack - this looks like the
plastic bubbles used for packing, except it has silver foil
on both sides. Available in rolls from lumber & farm supply
stores. Comes in various thicknesses - 1/4" or so works
well. I've used this before, in doors, on firewalls, in ceiling,
and in a curtain for the baggage area. it's VERY light, and
helps insulate sound AND heat, and it's cheap ! You can
use 2 or 3 layers if you want..... glue light fabric to it,
and you have headliner, or carpet for the rear ! :-)

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 14 August 2007 00:10, petergibbs@dcsol.com wrote:
Hi all, when I removed the floor of my rebel in the course of a rebuild
I
discovered that the builder had filled the square voids in the floor with
loft insulation presumably to deaden the drumming effect of the bare
aluminium, this would probably have been fine if water had not been
trapped
, it had soaked into this stuff like a sponge, recon that he might have
found a balance problem if he had flown some more, any one else seen this
done ?

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N.Smith · Post by **N.Smith** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:16 pm

Sorry Peter
Product is called Alreflex 2L2
And that link will need the D=72 adding at the end of the line above to make
the link work if that makes sense :-)
Nig

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
N.Smith
Sent: 14 August 2007 18:35
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Fibreglass loft insulation

Hi Peter

I found this after a bit of searching...
http://www.sheffins.co.uk/products/show ... 35&SubCatI
D=72

I think there is a SI distributor in my local town of Loughborough, I'll
call in next time I'm passing and see if it looks like the same stuff.

Good luck on the rebuild, wonder where abouts you are ?

Nigel
G-ONIG
Elite 745E
Derby

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
peter gibbs
Sent: 14 August 2007 09:40
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fibreglass loft insulation

Hi Bob,
thank for your reply, I suppose closed cell styrofoam would be ok but not
polystyrene foam, thanks for your tip for the bubble pack I will see if I
can source it in the UK. regards , Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fibreglass loft insulation

Hi Peter !

Had heard of someone who used Styrofoam ...
yet another REALLY BAD IDEA !!!

You definitely want to get it out of there, and leave the spaces
empty ! The air will be a better insulator ;-)

It's a good idea to drill a 1/8" hole in front of each bulkhead,
all the way down the belly. This will allow water to drain, and
the bit of air that comes in will help keep it dry in there.

If noise really is an issue (not for me !), you can cover the
top of the floor with insulated bubble pack - this looks like the
plastic bubbles used for packing, except it has silver foil
on both sides. Available in rolls from lumber & farm supply
stores. Comes in various thicknesses - 1/4" or so works
well. I've used this before, in doors, on firewalls, in ceiling,
and in a curtain for the baggage area. it's VERY light, and
helps insulate sound AND heat, and it's cheap ! You can
use 2 or 3 layers if you want..... glue light fabric to it,
and you have headliner, or carpet for the rear ! :-)

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 14 August 2007 00:10, petergibbs@dcsol.com wrote:
Hi all, when I removed the floor of my rebel in the course of a rebuild
I
discovered that the builder had filled the square voids in the floor with
loft insulation presumably to deaden the drumming effect of the bare
aluminium, this would probably have been fine if water had not been
trapped
, it had soaked into this stuff like a sponge, recon that he might have
found a balance problem if he had flown some more, any one else seen this
done ?

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peter gibbs · Post by **peter gibbs** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:16 pm

Hi ,Nigel,
Thanks for the info found the product on SI site, looks like interesting
stuff I will have to trawl through the builders merchants here in Cornwall .
have you owned your rebel very long? not seen it at pfa rally ! regards ,
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:35 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Fibreglass loft insulation

Hi Peter

I found this after a bit of searching...
http://www.sheffins.co.uk/products/show ... 35&SubCatI
D=72

I think there is a SI distributor in my local town of Loughborough, I'll
call in next time I'm passing and see if it looks like the same stuff.

Good luck on the rebuild, wonder where abouts you are ?

Nigel
G-ONIG
Elite 745E
Derby

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
peter gibbs
Sent: 14 August 2007 09:40
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fibreglass loft insulation

Hi Bob,
thank for your reply, I suppose closed cell styrofoam would be ok but not
polystyrene foam, thanks for your tip for the bubble pack I will see if I
can source it in the UK. regards , Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fibreglass loft insulation

Hi Peter !

Had heard of someone who used Styrofoam ...
yet another REALLY BAD IDEA !!!

You definitely want to get it out of there, and leave the spaces
empty ! The air will be a better insulator ;-)

It's a good idea to drill a 1/8" hole in front of each bulkhead,
all the way down the belly. This will allow water to drain, and
the bit of air that comes in will help keep it dry in there.

If noise really is an issue (not for me !), you can cover the
top of the floor with insulated bubble pack - this looks like the
plastic bubbles used for packing, except it has silver foil
on both sides. Available in rolls from lumber & farm supply
stores. Comes in various thicknesses - 1/4" or so works
well. I've used this before, in doors, on firewalls, in ceiling,
and in a curtain for the baggage area. it's VERY light, and
helps insulate sound AND heat, and it's cheap ! You can
use 2 or 3 layers if you want..... glue light fabric to it,
and you have headliner, or carpet for the rear ! :-)

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
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Hi all, when I removed the floor of my rebel in the course of a rebuild
I
discovered that the builder had filled the square voids in the floor
with
loft insulation presumably to deaden the drumming effect of the bare
aluminium, this would probably have been fine if water had not been
trapped
, it had soaked into this stuff like a sponge, recon that he might have
found a balance problem if he had flown some more, any one else seen
this
done ?

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N.Smith · Post by **N.Smith** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:16 pm

Hi Peter
Still building, hopefully sometime next year will be done, but it's ready
when it's ready.
Give us a call if you're ever up this way. 01332 811538 / 07768 348727
Nigel

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