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Bob Patterson

[rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Post by Bob Patterson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:55 am

Thanks Mike !

After almost 30 years of polishing my 53 ft. span HP-11A glider,
all aluminum, I've tried almost all of these polishes ! Finally
settled on one called Met-All - it was effective, and inexpensive ...
One trick that will really help get rid of that sticky black buildup
of aluminum oxide is to pat ordinary baking flour onto it - it dries
it & makes it easy to just swipe off .... wrestled with that
challenge for years ! If hand polishing, the best method is
straight strokes, followed by straight strokes at a 45 + degree
angle to the first strokes. Polishing raises tiny ridges, and
the diagonal strokes clean those off .... Learned that trick
from a tool & die maker who spent days polishing plastic
injection molding dies.

Almost all of these polishes are just Jewellers Rouge (a fine
abrasive), in an oil or silicone base. The big problem with silicone
is that you can pretty well forget about ever painting the surface.
Once it gets into the metal - nothing will stick ! This is also the
reason it's used in the polish - it shines, and prevents more
oxidation for a loooong time ....
(translation - MAYBE 6 months TOPS !)

Anyway, once you get the shine you want, you can then
wipe on Everbrite with a cloth, and the shine will last for many
years - if the EverBrite can stick !

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 02 March 2007 04:20, Mike Davis wrote:
Something that has come up several times on this list is how best to polish
a bare metal aircraft to that mirror surface you see at airshows. Our local
EAA chapter had a link to a document last month that goes into great detail
on how to do just that. Of course it's produced by a manufacturer based on
the use of their products, but the results in the photos speak for
themselves.
Anyway, I've uploaded a copy of the PDF file to the archive site.

https://mail.dcsol.com/file/area222/Pol ... ooklet.pdf

Mike


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Jones, Michael

[rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Post by Jones, Michael » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:55 am

Bob

To get everbrite to stick you would have to clean surface with something to
remove all residue, but its still easier and cheaper than painting

Mike#007

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Thanks Mike !

After almost 30 years of polishing my 53 ft. span HP-11A glider,
all aluminum, I've tried almost all of these polishes ! Finally
settled on one called Met-All - it was effective, and inexpensive ...
One trick that will really help get rid of that sticky black buildup
of aluminum oxide is to pat ordinary baking flour onto it - it dries
it & makes it easy to just swipe off .... wrestled with that
challenge for years ! If hand polishing, the best method is
straight strokes, followed by straight strokes at a 45 + degree
angle to the first strokes. Polishing raises tiny ridges, and
the diagonal strokes clean those off .... Learned that trick
from a tool & die maker who spent days polishing plastic
injection molding dies.

Almost all of these polishes are just Jewellers Rouge (a fine
abrasive), in an oil or silicone base. The big problem with silicone
is that you can pretty well forget about ever painting the surface.
Once it gets into the metal - nothing will stick ! This is also the
reason it's used in the polish - it shines, and prevents more
oxidation for a loooong time ....
(translation - MAYBE 6 months TOPS !)

Anyway, once you get the shine you want, you can then
wipe on Everbrite with a cloth, and the shine will last for many
years - if the EverBrite can stick !

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 02 March 2007 04:20, Mike Davis wrote:
Something that has come up several times on this list is how best to
polish
a bare metal aircraft to that mirror surface you see at airshows. Our local

EAA chapter had a link to a document last month that goes into great detail
on how to do just that. Of course it's produced by a manufacturer based on
the use of their products, but the results in the photos speak for
themselves.
Anyway, I've uploaded a copy of the PDF file to the archive site.

https://mail.dcsol.com/file/area222/Pol ... ooklet.pdf

Mike


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Aurele Lavigne

[rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Post by Aurele Lavigne » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:01 pm

Bob, I hung on to this thread for a while. I just had my controls
rejuvinated and painted. While I've the wings off, I wanted to give em the
shine!!! I've got some discoloration, maybe some oxide and I think residue
from a past treatment of alumiprep and alodine. I was thinking of using
flour as you mentionned and then waxing.

It sounds like your flour was applied wet or damp, as you mention it dries.
Do you apply with a wet sponge or someting and then wipe off once dry with
rag. Can you clarify.

Thanks, Aurele

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Thanks Mike !

After almost 30 years of polishing my 53 ft. span HP-11A glider,
all aluminum, I've tried almost all of these polishes ! Finally
settled on one called Met-All - it was effective, and inexpensive ...
One trick that will really help get rid of that sticky black buildup
of aluminum oxide is to pat ordinary baking flour onto it - it dries
it & makes it easy to just swipe off .... wrestled with that
challenge for years ! If hand polishing, the best method is
straight strokes, followed by straight strokes at a 45 + degree
angle to the first strokes. Polishing raises tiny ridges, and
the diagonal strokes clean those off .... Learned that trick
from a tool & die maker who spent days polishing plastic
injection molding dies.

Almost all of these polishes are just Jewellers Rouge (a fine
abrasive), in an oil or silicone base. The big problem with silicone
is that you can pretty well forget about ever painting the surface.
Once it gets into the metal - nothing will stick ! This is also the
reason it's used in the polish - it shines, and prevents more
oxidation for a loooong time ....
(translation - MAYBE 6 months TOPS !)

Anyway, once you get the shine you want, you can then
wipe on Everbrite with a cloth, and the shine will last for many
years - if the EverBrite can stick !

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 02 March 2007 04:20, Mike Davis wrote:
Something that has come up several times on this list is how best to
polish
a bare metal aircraft to that mirror surface you see at airshows. Our
local
EAA chapter had a link to a document last month that goes into great
detail
on how to do just that. Of course it's produced by a manufacturer based
on
the use of their products, but the results in the photos speak for
themselves.
Anyway, I've uploaded a copy of the PDF file to the archive site.

https://mail.dcsol.com/file/area222/Pol ... ooklet.pdf

Mike


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Drew Dalgleish

[rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Post by Drew Dalgleish » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:01 pm

Hi Aurele The flour is just to get rid of the black residue that gets left
behind after polishing. sprinkle it on dry then wipe off with a clean rag.
I have a couple peices of plywood that I cut to shape of the top of the
wing then lined with carpet. I use these as cradles when I polish the
bottom of my wings.

At 12:30 PM 4/2/2007 -0400, you wrote:
Bob, I hung on to this thread for a while. I just had my controls
rejuvinated and painted. While I've the wings off, I wanted to give em the
shine!!! I've got some discoloration, maybe some oxide and I think residue
from a past treatment of alumiprep and alodine. I was thinking of using
flour as you mentionned and then waxing.

It sounds like your flour was applied wet or damp, as you mention it dries.
Do you apply with a wet sponge or someting and then wipe off once dry with
rag. Can you clarify.

Thanks, Aurele

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Thanks Mike !

After almost 30 years of polishing my 53 ft. span HP-11A glider,
all aluminum, I've tried almost all of these polishes ! Finally
settled on one called Met-All - it was effective, and inexpensive ...
One trick that will really help get rid of that sticky black buildup
of aluminum oxide is to pat ordinary baking flour onto it - it dries
it & makes it easy to just swipe off .... wrestled with that
challenge for years ! If hand polishing, the best method is
straight strokes, followed by straight strokes at a 45 + degree
angle to the first strokes. Polishing raises tiny ridges, and
the diagonal strokes clean those off .... Learned that trick
from a tool & die maker who spent days polishing plastic
injection molding dies.

Almost all of these polishes are just Jewellers Rouge (a fine
abrasive), in an oil or silicone base. The big problem with silicone
is that you can pretty well forget about ever painting the surface.
Once it gets into the metal - nothing will stick ! This is also the
reason it's used in the polish - it shines, and prevents more
oxidation for a loooong time ....
(translation - MAYBE 6 months TOPS !)

Anyway, once you get the shine you want, you can then
wipe on Everbrite with a cloth, and the shine will last for many
years - if the EverBrite can stick !

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 02 March 2007 04:20, Mike Davis wrote:
Something that has come up several times on this list is how best to
polish
a bare metal aircraft to that mirror surface you see at airshows. Our
local
EAA chapter had a link to a document last month that goes into great
detail
on how to do just that. Of course it's produced by a manufacturer based
on
the use of their products, but the results in the photos speak for
themselves.
Anyway, I've uploaded a copy of the PDF file to the archive site.

https://mail.dcsol.com/file/area222/Pol ... ooklet.pdf

Mike


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Aurele Lavigne

[rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Post by Aurele Lavigne » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:01 pm

Thanks Dreew, I'll try that.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Hi Aurele The flour is just to get rid of the black residue that gets
left
behind after polishing. sprinkle it on dry then wipe off with a clean rag.
I have a couple peices of plywood that I cut to shape of the top of the
wing then lined with carpet. I use these as cradles when I polish the
bottom of my wings.

At 12:30 PM 4/2/2007 -0400, you wrote:
Bob, I hung on to this thread for a while. I just had my controls
rejuvinated and painted. While I've the wings off, I wanted to give em the
shine!!! I've got some discoloration, maybe some oxide and I think residue
from a past treatment of alumiprep and alodine. I was thinking of using
flour as you mentionned and then waxing.

It sounds like your flour was applied wet or damp, as you mention it
dries.
Do you apply with a wet sponge or someting and then wipe off once dry with
rag. Can you clarify.

Thanks, Aurele

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Thanks Mike !

After almost 30 years of polishing my 53 ft. span HP-11A glider,
all aluminum, I've tried almost all of these polishes ! Finally
settled on one called Met-All - it was effective, and inexpensive ...
One trick that will really help get rid of that sticky black buildup
of aluminum oxide is to pat ordinary baking flour onto it - it dries
it & makes it easy to just swipe off .... wrestled with that
challenge for years ! If hand polishing, the best method is
straight strokes, followed by straight strokes at a 45 + degree
angle to the first strokes. Polishing raises tiny ridges, and
the diagonal strokes clean those off .... Learned that trick
from a tool & die maker who spent days polishing plastic
injection molding dies.

Almost all of these polishes are just Jewellers Rouge (a fine
abrasive), in an oil or silicone base. The big problem with silicone
is that you can pretty well forget about ever painting the surface.
Once it gets into the metal - nothing will stick ! This is also the
reason it's used in the polish - it shines, and prevents more
oxidation for a loooong time ....
(translation - MAYBE 6 months TOPS !)

Anyway, once you get the shine you want, you can then
wipe on Everbrite with a cloth, and the shine will last for many
years - if the EverBrite can stick !

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 02 March 2007 04:20, Mike Davis wrote: a bare metal aircraft to that mirror surface you see at airshows. Our
local
EAA chapter had a link to a document last month that goes into great
detail
on how to do just that. Of course it's produced by a manufacturer based
on
the use of their products, but the results in the photos speak for
themselves.

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Wayne G. O'Shea

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Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:01 pm

Hard part is flipping the whole airplane over into the cradles without
pranging the prop !!

;o0

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aurele Lavigne" <acerebel@ntl.sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Thanks Dreew, I'll try that.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Hi Aurele The flour is just to get rid of the black residue that gets
left
behind after polishing. sprinkle it on dry then wipe off with a clean
rag.
I have a couple peices of plywood that I cut to shape of the top of the
wing then lined with carpet. I use these as cradles when I polish the
bottom of my wings.

At 12:30 PM 4/2/2007 -0400, you wrote:
Bob, I hung on to this thread for a while. I just had my controls
rejuvinated and painted. While I've the wings off, I wanted to give em
the
shine!!! I've got some discoloration, maybe some oxide and I think
residue
from a past treatment of alumiprep and alodine. I was thinking of using
flour as you mentionned and then waxing.

It sounds like your flour was applied wet or damp, as you mention it
dries.
Do you apply with a wet sponge or someting and then wipe off once dry
with
rag. Can you clarify.

Thanks, Aurele

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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 10:34 AM
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Aurele Lavigne

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Post by Aurele Lavigne » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:01 pm

I thought that might happen, so I took the wings off first, lol.

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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Hard part is flipping the whole airplane over into the cradles without
pranging the prop !!

;o0

Wayne

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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Thanks Dreew, I'll try that.


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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Polishing bare metal aircraft

Hi Aurele The flour is just to get rid of the black residue that gets
left
behind after polishing. sprinkle it on dry then wipe off with a clean
rag.
I have a couple peices of plywood that I cut to shape of the top of the
wing then lined with carpet. I use these as cradles when I polish the
bottom of my wings.

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