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Mike Betti

[rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Post by Mike Betti » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:43 am

Nancy,
Where do you want it sent?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy Puff" <nancy@rotech.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Hi Mike,

Good luck ! I am still waiting for a picture for the new improved wall
of fame :)



Nancy
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Tim Hickey
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:19 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Good Luck on the first flight, Mike.
I am sure that you have checked and re-checked everything that you can
think of, and that the (pretty) bird is ready. From my own experience of
a first flight (my Zenith CH-300) I offer the following: Figure out how
much fuel you will need, and then double it. On my first flight (no, it
was
successful) I ran much closer to the bottom of the tank that I should
have.
It is a long story, but I ended up having to make three approaches to
get one landing. And while you may flight plan a Lyc O-320 at 8+ gallons
per hour, they drink 12 + gallons per hour at full throttle. Which is
where my fist flight spent a lot of time. Of all the mistakes one can
make, running out of gas is the hardest one to explain.



Tim Hickey.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@hughes.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Thanks Ben for the words. Weather permiting, test flight Saturday.
Looking
forward to it.
Mike Betti

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Robert Andrews

[rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Post by Robert Andrews » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:43 am

Nancy - where's this "new improved wall of fame"??

And by the way, how's life treating you these days? ... well I hope.

Mike - can't wait for the flight test report ... not far on your heals.

Cheers, Bob 612e


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:52 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!


Nancy,
Where do you want it sent?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy Puff" <nancy@rotech.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Hi Mike,

Good luck ! I am still waiting for a picture for the new improved wall
of fame :)



Nancy
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Tim Hickey
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:19 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Good Luck on the first flight, Mike.
I am sure that you have checked and re-checked everything that you can
think of, and that the (pretty) bird is ready. From my own experience of
a first flight (my Zenith CH-300) I offer the following: Figure out how
much fuel you will need, and then double it. On my first flight (no, it
was
successful) I ran much closer to the bottom of the tank that I should
have.
It is a long story, but I ended up having to make three approaches to
get one landing. And while you may flight plan a Lyc O-320 at 8+ gallons
per hour, they drink 12 + gallons per hour at full throttle. Which is
where my fist flight spent a lot of time. Of all the mistakes one can
make, running out of gas is the hardest one to explain.



Tim Hickey.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@hughes.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Thanks Ben for the words. Weather permiting, test flight Saturday.
Looking
forward to it.
Mike Betti

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Nancy Puff

[rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Post by Nancy Puff » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:52 am

Hey Bob,


The new wall of fame is in my new office at Rotech Research in Vernon BC
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh don't' tell anyone :)

Life is great, they let me work on Engines YAY !

How are things going with you?

Nancy

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:30 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Nancy - where's this "new improved wall of fame"??

And by the way, how's life treating you these days? ... well I hope.

Mike - can't wait for the flight test report ... not far on your heals.

Cheers, Bob 612e


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:52 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!


Nancy,
Where do you want it sent?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy Puff" <nancy@rotech.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Hi Mike,

Good luck ! I am still waiting for a picture for the new improved wall
of fame :)



Nancy
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Tim Hickey
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:19 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Good Luck on the first flight, Mike.
I am sure that you have checked and re-checked everything that you can
think of, and that the (pretty) bird is ready. From my own experience
of
a first flight (my Zenith CH-300) I offer the following: Figure out
how
much fuel you will need, and then double it. On my first flight (no,
it
was
successful) I ran much closer to the bottom of the tank that I should
have.
It is a long story, but I ended up having to make three approaches to
get one landing. And while you may flight plan a Lyc O-320 at 8+
gallons
per hour, they drink 12 + gallons per hour at full throttle. Which is
where my fist flight spent a lot of time. Of all the mistakes one can
make, running out of gas is the hardest one to explain.



Tim Hickey.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@hughes.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Thanks Ben for the words. Weather permiting, test flight Saturday.
Looking
forward to it.
Mike Betti

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Bruce Georgen

[rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Post by Bruce Georgen » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:52 am

I Can remember the first few dockings with my new Rebel 1800 amphib, and it takes about that long to make a dent...or two. I was used to a wheeled plane and if you dent a wheel plane you usually have did some real damage. Just do the best you can and and just accept normal wear and tear. It really isn't a big deal on floats once you start seeing other float planes that have been used for anything but show planes. You stop counting the dents after awhile and just enjoy the fun.

Walter,
have you ever put any bumbers (tires) on your dock at Lake Harrision yet? :-) As of last week before the warm front Priest lake was frozen from one side to the other! I had never seen that before. So much for global warming.

Bruce G



-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
Sent: Feb 14, 2007 7:57 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Once you are on floats, any cleco dents on your wing or fuse will not be
noticeable compared to the hundred little dings you are going to have on
your left float side skin, and a few on your right one, too. And if you
don't have any, you won't get much respect if you stop in at any floatplane
base.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:14 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Go ahead and paint her bright and shiny!
You'll never notice small dents on the wing.
You may notice them on places you inspect up close or that are in your
normal line of sight like the top of the stab or the leading edge by the
fuel caps but even then there are so many rivet heads that a lot of
minor bruises are effectively camouflaged. I do have one small dent
hidden under some bondo but it was by the door and I didn't want to be
reminded every time I opened the door...

There are guys here that know how to shrink metal and take out bruises
but I'd suggest trying a wooden mallet and a steel backing dolly. A
steel hammer and steel dolly definately stretches the metal and makes a
dish.

Ken

bransom@dcsol.com wrote:
Hi Guys,
I've been out of touch a few weeks due to my mom passing away unexpectedly
end of January. Looking forward to getting back onto some normal things,
especially rebel building.

I'm a little surprised a dropped cleco dents the skin. You sure you didn't
throw it out of frustration with something? :) The thing I had trouble
with was turning the wing over and accidentally letting it down with a
cleco hitting 2x4 spacer blocks on the table -- it pushes the cleco over
sideways and puts a smiley in the skin. I found best to leave such dents,
as trying to dolly them flat just expands the metal making things worse.
Fortunately, just a couple and they'll not show unless I was crazy enf to
go for some dark shiny paint job.

Congratulations Mike Betti for turning all that aluminum into an airplane.
I think you started just a little before me, and I recall you zipping
right past! Picture looks great. All the best on your upcoming flight
testing.
-Ben




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Walter Klatt

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Post by Walter Klatt » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:52 am

Hey Bruce, finally thawing out there now, eh? Yeah, it's interesting how all
this global warming hype got full traction a couple months ago when winter
started late out east. Meanwhile, out west here, we were freezing our n_ts
off, getting snowed on, and darn near blown away a few times. But I
understand things are back to normal now, with it warming up nicely here,
and now they (most of you guys on this list) are/were freezing their b_lls
off, as it should be. As for global warming, I can only wish... LOL

We had great weather last weekend, and went out to Harrison Lake last Sat.
It was really warm that day, and temps hit +17C (63F). But I discovered
another brake leak on my amphibs, same as last time, which I fixed by
changing an O ring. I will be heading out to the hangar after lunch to take
it apart again and see what gives.

No, still just have 2 tires per side on the dock..., maybe will get some
more one of these years.

BTW, was looking at Google Satellite map (not even Google Earth), and zoomed
into my bay at Harrison where my cabin is. To my surprise, I found both my
Rebel and my boat moored there at my dock. Hmmm, wonder what level of detail
we are going to see in a few years...

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Georgen
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:53 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!


I Can remember the first few dockings with my new Rebel 1800 amphib, and it
takes about that long to make a dent...or two. I was used to a wheeled plane
and if you dent a wheel plane you usually have did some real damage. Just do
the best you can and and just accept normal wear and tear. It really isn't a
big deal on floats once you start seeing other float planes that have been
used for anything but show planes. You stop counting the dents after awhile
and just enjoy the fun.

Walter,
have you ever put any bumbers (tires) on your dock at Lake Harrision yet?
:-) As of last week before the warm front Priest lake was frozen from one
side to the other! I had never seen that before. So much for global warming.

Bruce G



-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
Sent: Feb 14, 2007 7:57 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Once you are on floats, any cleco dents on your wing or fuse will not be
noticeable compared to the hundred little dings you are going to have on
your left float side skin, and a few on your right one, too. And if you
don't have any, you won't get much respect if you stop in at any floatplane
base.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:14 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] CRAP!!! Dropped a cleco!

Go ahead and paint her bright and shiny!
You'll never notice small dents on the wing.
You may notice them on places you inspect up close or that are in your
normal line of sight like the top of the stab or the leading edge by the
fuel caps but even then there are so many rivet heads that a lot of
minor bruises are effectively camouflaged. I do have one small dent
hidden under some bondo but it was by the door and I didn't want to be
reminded every time I opened the door...

There are guys here that know how to shrink metal and take out bruises
but I'd suggest trying a wooden mallet and a steel backing dolly. A
steel hammer and steel dolly definately stretches the metal and makes a
dish.

Ken

bransom@dcsol.com wrote:
Hi Guys,
I've been out of touch a few weeks due to my mom passing away unexpectedly
end of January. Looking forward to getting back onto some normal things,
especially rebel building.

I'm a little surprised a dropped cleco dents the skin. You sure you
didn't
throw it out of frustration with something? :) The thing I had trouble
with was turning the wing over and accidentally letting it down with a
cleco hitting 2x4 spacer blocks on the table -- it pushes the cleco over
sideways and puts a smiley in the skin. I found best to leave such dents,
as trying to dolly them flat just expands the metal making things worse.
Fortunately, just a couple and they'll not show unless I was crazy enf to
go for some dark shiny paint job.

Congratulations Mike Betti for turning all that aluminum into an airplane.
I think you started just a little before me, and I recall you zipping
right past! Picture looks great. All the best on your upcoming flight
testing.
-Ben




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