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[rebel-builders]Rebel - tailwheel

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Bob Patterson

[rebel-builders]Rebel - tailwheel

Post by Bob Patterson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am

Hi Rod !

Sounds like you're really making progress !

There's NOTHING wrong with the standard Murphy tailwheel -
the vast majority of Rebels are flying with it. The initial reason
for using the Scott 3200 was to add weight to the rear, and secondary
was to get the cushioning of the pneumatic tire.

One possible Scott replacement might be the Murphy Elite
tailwheel - it's larger, and pneumatic - but you'd have to adapt
the mounting - it's designed for the tubular stinger. Another
possiblity is: http://www.irondesign-airparts.com/ - likely
more expensive than the Elite wheel, but less than the new Scotts.

The "spring" is another matter !! ;-( If you grind that
slab of aluminum so that it tapers from full thickness at the clamp
to about 1/2 thickness at the tailwheel, I think you'll find it
has enough bounce to be satisfactory .... and you COULD swap just
the wheel & tire for a pneumatic one (like the Matco ??) if you
want cushioning.

If the Matco has a single arm, there could be shimmy problems,
and I think a dig through the archives will find a couple of
instances of structural failures in Matco tailwheels.

Surprised you have Gold Matco wheels at that serial number -
your kit wasn't designated "Ultra-Light" was it ??? :-(
That would mean you have lightweight gear and wing spars ... :-(

In any case, if you make up 1/8" or so doubler plates for
both sides of the wheel web (in the center), you will be fine.
I flew for about 10 years on the gold wheels, at weights up to
(never over ! ;-) ) 1,650 lb, with no signs of cracks.
Those fat Dico or Carlyle tires are GREAT !!! They will really
smooth your landings ! They do wear quickly on pavement -
figure on replacement every couple of years - but they're cheap -
less than half the price of 'aircraft' tires !

Will try to post some info on the factory Radial Rebel
later today - might help.

--
......bobp
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.qbeautyzone.com

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On Wednesday 11 October 2006 08:07 am, Rod O'Gary wrote:
G'day Fellas
Rod from OZ


Going to remove MAM tailwheel and spring?? for maybe Scott 3200.
Has anybody used the Matco pneumatic 8" tailwheel,if so what's it like.
Scott 3200 is expensive ,to Matco but is it that much better,
Would appreciate some info on this.

Also 595R 1997 model has MH6B gold rims with 8.00.6 tyres.
MTOW will be around 1200 LBS .
Have seen this discussed some time ago,cant recall what the outcome was.
Like to know if they will be OK ??.

Fired up the Rotec Radial last weekend ,sounds and looks awsome.
Should be flying by Xmas with a bit of luck .

Regards Rod .
595R


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Drew Dalgleish

[rebel-builders]Rebel - tailwheel

Post by Drew Dalgleish » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am

At 01:57 PM 10/11/2006 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Rod !

Sounds like you're really making progress !

There's NOTHING wrong with the standard Murphy tailwheel -
the vast majority of Rebels are flying with it. The initial reason
for using the Scott 3200 was to add weight to the rear, and secondary
was to get the cushioning of the pneumatic tire.

One possible Scott replacement might be the Murphy Elite
tailwheel - it's larger, and pneumatic - but you'd have to adapt
the mounting - it's designed for the tubular stinger. Another
possiblity is: http://www.irondesign-airparts.com/ - likely
more expensive than the Elite wheel, but less than the new Scotts.
Hi Rod If you call for a price on an elite wheel please post it here. Last
time I called it was cheaper for a scott wheel than an elite wheel ( around
$850us IIRC )but scott may be raising their prices faster than murphy :(
Drew



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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders]Rebel - tailwheel

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am

Scott got out of the tail wheel business. Wup over at Bushwheels bought the
rights.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders]Rebel - tailwheel

At 01:57 PM 10/11/2006 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Rod !

Sounds like you're really making progress !

There's NOTHING wrong with the standard Murphy tailwheel -
the vast majority of Rebels are flying with it. The initial reason
for using the Scott 3200 was to add weight to the rear, and secondary
was to get the cushioning of the pneumatic tire.

One possible Scott replacement might be the Murphy Elite
tailwheel - it's larger, and pneumatic - but you'd have to adapt
the mounting - it's designed for the tubular stinger. Another
possiblity is: http://www.irondesign-airparts.com/ - likely
more expensive than the Elite wheel, but less than the new Scotts.
Hi Rod If you call for a price on an elite wheel please post it here. Last
time I called it was cheaper for a scott wheel than an elite wheel (
around
$850us IIRC )but scott may be raising their prices faster than murphy :(
Drew



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Rod O'Gary

[rebel-builders]Rebel - tailwheel

Post by Rod O'Gary » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders]Rebel - tailwheel


Hi Rod !

Sounds like you're really making progress !

There's NOTHING wrong with the standard Murphy tailwheel -
the vast majority of Rebels are flying with it. The initial reason
for using the Scott 3200 was to add weight to the rear, and secondary
was to get the cushioning of the pneumatic tire.

One possible Scott replacement might be the Murphy Elite
tailwheel - it's larger, and pneumatic - but you'd have to adapt
the mounting - it's designed for the tubular stinger. Another
possiblity is: http://www.irondesign-airparts.com/ - likely
more expensive than the Elite wheel, but less than the new Scotts.

The "spring" is another matter !! ;-( If you grind that
slab of aluminum so that it tapers from full thickness at the clamp
to about 1/2 thickness at the tailwheel, I think you'll find it
has enough bounce to be satisfactory .... and you COULD swap just
the wheel & tire for a pneumatic one (like the Matco ??) if you
want cushioning.

If the Matco has a single arm, there could be shimmy problems,
and I think a dig through the archives will find a couple of
instances of structural failures in Matco tailwheels.

Surprised you have Gold Matco wheels at that serial number -
your kit wasn't designated "Ultra-Light" was it ??? :-(
That would mean you have lightweight gear and wing spars ... :-(

In any case, if you make up 1/8" or so doubler plates for
both sides of the wheel web (in the center), you will be fine.
I flew for about 10 years on the gold wheels, at weights up to
(never over ! ;-) ) 1,650 lb, with no signs of cracks.
Those fat Dico or Carlyle tires are GREAT !!! They will really
smooth your landings ! They do wear quickly on pavement -
figure on replacement every couple of years - but they're cheap -
less than half the price of 'aircraft' tires !

Will try to post some info on the factory Radial Rebel
later today - might help.

-- Hi Bob
I assume the 1/8" doublers need to be welded to the rim.
Regards Rod
595 R UL
......bobp
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
http://apatterson2.qbeautyzone.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Wednesday 11 October 2006 08:07 am, Rod O'Gary wrote:
G'day Fellas
Rod from OZ


Going to remove MAM tailwheel and spring?? for maybe Scott 3200.
Has anybody used the Matco pneumatic 8" tailwheel,if so what's it like.
Scott 3200 is expensive ,to Matco but is it that much better,
Would appreciate some info on this.

Also 595R 1997 model has MH6B gold rims with 8.00.6 tyres.
MTOW will be around 1200 LBS .
Have seen this discussed some time ago,cant recall what the outcome was.
Like to know if they will be OK ??.

Fired up the Rotec Radial last weekend ,sounds and looks awsome.
Should be flying by Xmas with a bit of luck .

Regards Rod .
595R


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Ken

[rebel-builders]Rebel - tailwheel

Post by Ken » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am

No welding as that will take out the heat treating and guarantee failure.
I suggest taking two strips of scrap aluminum and heating one up with a
propane torch till the edge droops a bit. Let it cool and compare them.
The heated one should be quite soft and weak. Aluminum melts and welds
at around 1100 *F which is well withing the realm of a propane torch.

Since the tailwheel is easy to replace after you fly it, I had planned
to upgrade to the Matco pneumatic tailwheel if needed, but it turns out
that I'm happy with the original MAM tailwheel on my 1650+ lb Rebel.
FWIW I suspect that some of the guys that are unhappy with the original
t/w have it on a very stiff "spring" compared to the fibreglass spring
or a steel trailer spring.

Ken
In any case, if you make up 1/8" or so doubler plates for
both sides of the wheel web (in the center), you will be fine.
I flew for about 10 years on the gold wheels, at weights up to
(never over ! ;-) ) 1,650 lb, with no signs of cracks.
Those fat Dico or Carlyle tires are GREAT !!! They will really
smooth your landings ! They do wear quickly on pavement -
figure on replacement every couple of years - but they're cheap -
less than half the price of 'aircraft' tires !

Will try to post some info on the factory Radial Rebel
later today - might help.

-- Hi Bob

I assume the 1/8" doublers need to be welded to the rim.
Regards Rod
595 R UL





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Drew Dalgleish

[rebel-builders]Rebel - tailwheel

Post by Drew Dalgleish » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:16 am

At 07:57 AM 10/12/2006 -0400, you wrote:
No welding as that will take out the heat treating and guarantee failure.
I suggest taking two strips of scrap aluminum and heating one up with a
propane torch till the edge droops a bit. Let it cool and compare them.
The heated one should be quite soft and weak. Aluminum melts and welds
at around 1100 *F which is well withing the realm of a propane torch.

Since the tailwheel is easy to replace after you fly it, I had planned
to upgrade to the Matco pneumatic tailwheel if needed, but it turns out
that I'm happy with the original MAM tailwheel on my 1650+ lb Rebel.
FWIW I suspect that some of the guys that are unhappy with the original
t/w have it on a very stiff "spring" compared to the fibreglass spring
or a steel trailer spring.

Ken
I have a fiberglass spring and I find the MAM wheel works well on pavement
and grass but not so good on really soft feilds. The hard rubber can really
dig a trench and it takes a lot of power plus lifting the tail with
elevator to be able to turn. I also want a bigger wheel to raise the tail a
bit higher when operating in deep snow without a tailski.
Drew



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