As for adding building time with making changes: I have added a year to my
building time by just reading all these posts! I've picked up invaluable info,
but am now addicted to reading all the posts ... I put off starting the floats
waiting for a rumored CD. The tools are in place, the work table is built, the
complete kit (rebel and amphibs) are sitting and waiting. Now if I could just
make that first "Sharpie" mark on a piece of aluminum I might break the
trance.
On 9/8/2006 8:58 PM,
mkimball@gci.net wrote to rebel-builders:
-> Or do like I did and put the flap handle on the roof then turn the
-> flap/aileron mixer block around and attach it to a servo. Aileron droop is
-> completely under the control of the pilot, separate from flap deflection.
-> Pictures and a drawing of the system are in the archives. Of course,
-> applicability to other than a Super Rebel/Moose is unknown.
->
-> On the other hand, I agree with the others. The Rebel is a well proven
-> great design. Just leave it alone. My mods have added at least three
years
-> to my build.
->
-> Mike
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From:
mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:
mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Jesse
-> Jenks
-> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:22 PM
-> To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] My latest crazy idea Rebel/Moose
->
->
-> Ok, thanks guys. I just thought it would be cool to have everything in the
-> ceiling, but I know it's like I said...crazy. If I knew an engineer I would
-> check it out more, but I guess I'll give it up.
-> Jesse
->
-> >From: WALTER KLATT <
Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
-> >Reply-To: <
rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> >To:
rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> >Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] My latest crazy idea Rebel/Moose
-> >Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:29:59 -0700
-> >
-> >I'm with Bob on this one. I just have the stock MAM set-up and wouldn't
-> >change a thing if I was building again, other than maybe the dog leg
-> >handle. Has always done the job for me, and is light, simple and out of
the
->
-> >way, but very easy to reach and use inflight. I cram stuff in the back of
-> >mine all the time, and just try to make sure that I don't affect the
-> >operation of the push rods, but again never had a problem. And don't
worry
-> >about the slop in the system, as it has no bad effects when flying. If
-> >anything, it helps, in that at higher speeds there is some give on the
-> >flaperons so you don't overstress them or the hinges. And when you slow
-> >down, you gain maximum deflection on the flaps which is exactly what
you
-> >want when you land. I have my float pump between the seats with the
handle
-> >forward, and that works great, too, so have nothing behind my seats to
get
-> >in the way of baggage.
-> >
-> >There are a lot of other more important changes on the Rebel that I
would
-> >worry about, and focus my efforts on those. Why change something that
-> >doesn't need changing?
-> >
-> >Walter
-> >
-> >----- Original Message -----
-> >From: Bob Patterson <
beep@sympatico.ca>
-> >Date: Friday, September 8, 2006 2:50 pm
-> >Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] My latest crazy idea Rebel/Moose
-> >
-> > >
-> > > Hi Jesse !
-> > >
-> > > "Leave it alone, it works fine the way it is" !!! :-)
-> > >
-> > > The Moose setup is completely different, and will never match
-> > > the control response you will get with the standard Rebel setup.
-> > > This is not a slight to the Moose, it's a different airplane, with
-> > > different needs & control loads - using 747 ailerons wouldn't be
-> > > pretty either ! ;-)
-> > >
-> > > You will add at least 6 months to your build time (every change
-> > > ...)AND you will end up with an oddball Rebel that will be that
-> > > much
-> > > harder to sell one day. You are adding a lot of extra complexity,
-> > > still need a cable, and springs, and will have less control response.
-> > >
-> > > "JUST GET IT FLYING !!!!" :-)
-> > >
-> > > (You can always tinker later ....)
-> > >
-> > > > Why? you ask. 1)Keep controls out of the baggage/jumpseat area.
-> > > 2)Get rid of
-> > > > the Teleflex cable. 3) Eliminate the rather crude (IMO) method
-> > > of bolting
-> > > > two control horns together at the wing root and forcing them to
-> > > flex to
-> > > > accommodate for the dihedral angle. 4)Not having to wait until
-> > > the wings are
-> > > > on to finish the cabin flight control installation ie locating
-> > > the torque
-> > > > tubes.
-> > >
-> > > 1) Just put a plate of 1/8" Lexan over the mixer area -
-> > > keeps stuff
-> > > out, and lets you inspect easily. 2) The Teleflex cable is easy,
-> > > simple,inexpensive, and works just fine 3) If you build it right
-> > > (1 degree DH),
-> > > there shouldn't be noticeable flex - over 15 years without problems
-> > > 4) They might line up better if the wings are on first ! ;-)
-> > >
-> > >
-> > > Just couldn't resist !! ;-) :-)
-> > >
-> > > --
-> > > ......bobp
-> > >
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
-> > >
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
-> > >
http://apatterson2.qbeautyzone.com
-> > >
-> > > -------------------------------orig.-------------------------
-> > > On Friday 08 September 2006 05:19 pm, Jesse Jenks wrote:
-> > > > I can hear Bob P already saying "leave it alone, it works fine
-> > > the way it
-> > > > is". Ok here goes anyway. Regarding the Rebel flaperon mixing,
-> > > it has never
-> > > > seemed like the most elegant solution to me. While looking at
-> > > pictures of
-> > > > Moose on Scott Aldrichs' site, I had the thought that the
-> > > flap/aileron
-> > > > mixing system on the Moose is a bit more refined. It gave me the
-> > > idea that
-> > > > you could use some Moose parts and make a better mousetrap,
-> > > er... Moosetrap?
-> > > > Anyway, here it is: run cables from the control column up to the
-> > > ceiling a
-> > > > la Moose. Use the Moose flap/aileron mixer, turned around to
-> > > face forward
-> > > > with a short linkage forward to the flap handle. Use the Rebel
-> > > flaperon
-> > > > bellcrank to maintain the geometry, with pushrods back to Moose
-> > > aileron
-> > > > torque tubes. These would exit the cabin about mid chord, with
-> > > pushrods back
-> > > > to the flaperon torque tubes. The flaperon torque tube horns
-> > > would need to
-> > > > be replaced or modified to end up 90* from their current
-> > > position, and be
-> > > > shortened. Of course the devil is in the details, but it sounds
-> > > pretty cool
-> > > > to me.
-> > > > Why? you ask. 1)Keep controls out of the baggage/jumpseat area.
-> > > 2)Get rid of
-> > > > the Teleflex cable. 3) Eliminate the rather crude (IMO) method
-> > > of bolting
-> > > > two control horns together at the wing root and forcing them to
-> > > flex to
-> > > > accommodate for the dihedral angle. 4)Not having to wait until
-> > > the wings are
-> > > > on to finish the cabin flight control installation ie locating
-> > > the torque
-> > > > tubes.
-> > > > Any comments appreciated. You Moose guys as well. I am
-> > > interested in how
-> > > > well the flap/aileron mixer works in the Moose. I will need part
-> > > #s too if
-> > > > it goes that far.
-> > > > Thanks.
-> > > > Jesse
-> > > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
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