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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:34 am

Take your pick. Leading edge (last 2 bays only!), wing tip or in the nose
bowl ala Cessna. I prefer the wing tips and have been putting them there
since 1994.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Cole" <rcole927@earthlink.net>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

What do people do for landing and taxi lights. If the lights are put
in the leading edge of the wing, doesn't that require cutting the front
spar? Doesn't that weaken the wing? Murphy's web site shows a kit
with the landing lights in the leading edge.
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Dave Ricker

[rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Post by Dave Ricker » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:34 am

Yep the spar is taken out in the landing light bay but it's so far out on
the wing that it doesn't matter, last or second last bay from the tip.
There are a few pics on our web site at www.elite583.cjb.net

Dave

Roger Cole wrote:
What do people do for landing and taxi lights. If the lights are put
in the leading edge of the wing, doesn't that require cutting the front
spar? Doesn't that weaken the wing? Murphy's web site shows a kit
with the landing lights in the leading edge.
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N.Smith

[rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Post by N.Smith » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:34 am

Hi All

The paperwork that came with my set of landing lights said any of the last 3
bays. The base fits between two of the nose ribs, and you cut away the front
spar between the two ribs.

Have I missed something and this has been changed to last 2 bays ?

Guess where I've put mine ?

Nig
745E

-----Original Message-----
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Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: 22 March 2006 02:35
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights


Take your pick. Leading edge (last 2 bays only!), wing tip or in the nose
bowl ala Cessna. I prefer the wing tips and have been putting them there
since 1994.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

What do people do for landing and taxi lights. If the lights are put
in the leading edge of the wing, doesn't that require cutting the front
spar? Doesn't that weaken the wing? Murphy's web site shows a kit
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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:34 am

You're fine Nig. Wasn't thinking of the bay right at the wing tip as it
would interfer with the bezzle fitting...so second or third bay in.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:41 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Hi All

The paperwork that came with my set of landing lights said any of the last
3
bays. The base fits between two of the nose ribs, and you cut away the
front
spar between the two ribs.

Have I missed something and this has been changed to last 2 bays ?

Guess where I've put mine ?

Nig
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: 22 March 2006 02:35
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights


Take your pick. Leading edge (last 2 bays only!), wing tip or in the nose
bowl ala Cessna. I prefer the wing tips and have been putting them there
since 1994.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

What do people do for landing and taxi lights. If the lights are put
in the leading edge of the wing, doesn't that require cutting the front
spar? Doesn't that weaken the wing? Murphy's web site shows a kit
with the landing lights in the leading edge.
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N.Smith

[rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Post by N.Smith » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:34 am

Thanks Wayne

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Sent: 23 March 2006 14:55
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights


You're fine Nig. Wasn't thinking of the bay right at the wing tip as it
would interfer with the bezzle fitting...so second or third bay in.

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:41 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Hi All

The paperwork that came with my set of landing lights said any of the last
3
bays. The base fits between two of the nose ribs, and you cut away the
front
spar between the two ribs.

Have I missed something and this has been changed to last 2 bays ?

Guess where I've put mine ?

Nig
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: 22 March 2006 02:35
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights


Take your pick. Leading edge (last 2 bays only!), wing tip or in the nose
bowl ala Cessna. I prefer the wing tips and have been putting them there
since 1994.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Cole" <rcole927@earthlink.net>
To: "Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

What do people do for landing and taxi lights. If the lights are put
in the leading edge of the wing, doesn't that require cutting the front
spar? Doesn't that weaken the wing? Murphy's web site shows a kit
with the landing lights in the leading edge.
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Mike Kimball

[rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Post by Mike Kimball » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:34 am

Really? The spar is affected? Not on a Super Rebel. Hard to believe an
Elite wing is that much smaller. Plenty of room ahead of the spar to fit
the Murphy leading edge light kit. I put mine just outside of where the
lift strut attaches.

Mike
044SR

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Ricker
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:42 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Yep the spar is taken out in the landing light bay but it's so far out on
the wing that it doesn't matter, last or second last bay from the tip.
There are a few pics on our web site at www.elite583.cjb.net

Dave

Roger Cole wrote:
What do people do for landing and taxi lights. If the lights are put
in the leading edge of the wing, doesn't that require cutting the front
spar? Doesn't that weaken the wing? Murphy's web site shows a kit
with the landing lights in the leading edge.
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Elite 709E

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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:34 am

I beg to differ with you Mike...but there is no difference between the
Rebel/Elite or SR/Moose wing layout and you have to remove the front spar to
install the leading edge light system.

I would contact the factory to see if they have any concerns of having a
foot of the front spar missing mid wing.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Really? The spar is affected? Not on a Super Rebel. Hard to believe an
Elite wing is that much smaller. Plenty of room ahead of the spar to fit
the Murphy leading edge light kit. I put mine just outside of where the
lift strut attaches.

Mike
044SR

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Ricker
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:42 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Yep the spar is taken out in the landing light bay but it's so far out on
the wing that it doesn't matter, last or second last bay from the tip.
There are a few pics on our web site at www.elite583.cjb.net

Dave

Roger Cole wrote:
What do people do for landing and taxi lights. If the lights are put
in the leading edge of the wing, doesn't that require cutting the front
spar? Doesn't that weaken the wing? Murphy's web site shows a kit
with the landing lights in the leading edge.
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Elite 709E

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[rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Post by Dale Fultz » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:34 am

Your right again Wayne , I was looking for the answer to David questions
and didn't see Mike's.
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[rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Post by Mike Kimball » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:34 am

Dang, if you say so Wayne it's gotta be true. Now I have to go look at my
wing. It's been a few years since I built the wings and I obviously don't
remember right. Why does removing a bit of front spar bother me so much now
and apparently didn't back then? My brain must have taken a break that day.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

I beg to differ with you Mike...but there is no difference between the
Rebel/Elite or SR/Moose wing layout and you have to remove the front spar to
install the leading edge light system.

I would contact the factory to see if they have any concerns of having a
foot of the front spar missing mid wing.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Really? The spar is affected? Not on a Super Rebel. Hard to believe an
Elite wing is that much smaller. Plenty of room ahead of the spar to fit
the Murphy leading edge light kit. I put mine just outside of where the
lift strut attaches.

Mike
044SR

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Ricker
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:42 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Yep the spar is taken out in the landing light bay but it's so far out on
the wing that it doesn't matter, last or second last bay from the tip.
There are a few pics on our web site at www.elite583.cjb.net

Dave

Roger Cole wrote:
What do people do for landing and taxi lights. If the lights are put
in the leading edge of the wing, doesn't that require cutting the front
spar? Doesn't that weaken the wing? Murphy's web site shows a kit
with the landing lights in the leading edge.
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Roger Cole
Elite 709E

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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:34 am

Figure better to scare you than to ignore it Mike. Probably not an issue
with the .032 leading edge skin but I'd sure give Darryl a call and ask.
I've seen others done like yours as well, but MAM does caution in the
installation that you should only install in the outer three bays. The light
box does gets riveted to the skin to replace some strength....but you do
lose the continous bending moment capablity of the complete front spar when
you cut a foot of it out mid span. Darryl may suggest some kind of
splice/spar cap across the gap to replace some strength. Probably not to
hard to do it he does working thru the hole you've made for the light. The
other concern of course would be the hole in the leading edge itself
removing the torsional rigidity of the "D" the leading edge forms. Hopefully
I'm just needlessly scaring your, but I'd rather do that than have you do
the California CH601 senerio from a few weeks back... that bent the wings
back and killed two gentlemen.

Cheers,
Wayne

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Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Dang, if you say so Wayne it's gotta be true. Now I have to go look at my
wing. It's been a few years since I built the wings and I obviously don't
remember right. Why does removing a bit of front spar bother me so much
now
and apparently didn't back then? My brain must have taken a break that
day.
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:47 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

I beg to differ with you Mike...but there is no difference between the
Rebel/Elite or SR/Moose wing layout and you have to remove the front spar
to
install the leading edge light system.

I would contact the factory to see if they have any concerns of having a
foot of the front spar missing mid wing.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Really? The spar is affected? Not on a Super Rebel. Hard to believe
an
Elite wing is that much smaller. Plenty of room ahead of the spar to
fit
the Murphy leading edge light kit. I put mine just outside of where the
lift strut attaches.

Mike
044SR

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Dave
Ricker
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:42 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Yep the spar is taken out in the landing light bay but it's so far out
on
the wing that it doesn't matter, last or second last bay from the tip.
There are a few pics on our web site at www.elite583.cjb.net

Dave

Roger Cole wrote:
What do people do for landing and taxi lights. If the lights are put
in the leading edge of the wing, doesn't that require cutting the
front
spar? Doesn't that weaken the wing? Murphy's web site shows a kit
with the landing lights in the leading edge.
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Elite 709E

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Mike Davis

[rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Post by Mike Davis » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:35 am

We removed a section of the front spar between two ribs and then mounted the
light bracket in its place Mike... the bracket actually replaces that
segment of spar. I was there when you cut it out, and you were fine with it
then. ;-)

Mike

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Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Dang, if you say so Wayne it's gotta be true. Now I have to go look at my
wing. It's been a few years since I built the wings and I obviously don't
remember right. Why does removing a bit of front spar bother me so much
now
and apparently didn't back then? My brain must have taken a break that
day.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:47 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

I beg to differ with you Mike...but there is no difference between the
Rebel/Elite or SR/Moose wing layout and you have to remove the front spar
to
install the leading edge light system.

I would contact the factory to see if they have any concerns of having a
foot of the front spar missing mid wing.

Wayne


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[rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Post by Roger Cole » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:35 am

Thanks to all of you who replied. The discussion has been very
informative.
--------Roger
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Roger Cole wrote:
What do people do for landing and taxi lights. If the lights are put
in the leading edge of the wing, doesn't that require cutting the front
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Ron Shannon

[rebel-builders] Landing and Taxi Lights

Post by Ron Shannon » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:35 am

I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread yet, but as some may
know, Dave Fife's Hoerner Rebel wing tips come in two models. One has no
lights, and the other has a pre-molded location for landing lights,
along with brackets and 55W halogen bulbs -- all for just $30 more. Dave
says the 55W bulbs are not as bright as normal landing lights, but the
brackets can also handle widely available, inexpensive 100W halogen
bulbs if preferred. After seeing the many good words about Dave's tips
on this list, I ordered a pair of the tips with lights, and am looking
forward to their arrival in a month or two.

For further info, Dave can be reached at aircraftips@yahoo.com.

Ron
254R


Roger Cole wrote:
Thanks to all of you who replied. The discussion has been very
informative.
--------Roger
On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Roger Cole wrote:
What do people do for landing and taxi lights. If the lights are put
in the leading edge of the wing, doesn't that require cutting the front
spar? Doesn't that weaken the wing? Murphy's web site shows a kit
with the landing lights in the leading edge.
---
Roger Cole
Elite 709E

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