[rebel-builders] Engine Primer

[Jones, Michael]

mike

primer, yes, not to say bad word but all cessna,s i have seen have primers,
maybe some makes don't but on some days don't know how you would start a
0-320 without a primer

as for baffles, vans sells a kit for 0-320 that a lot of people use and i
have bought, its a great kit

mike#007

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indabush@hay.net
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Subject: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer


At the risk of asking a dumb question ..................................

O-320 E2D, no fuel pump

I had not planned on installing an engine primer, but now I am not so
sure. Since most of my flying is in helicopters, I am not totally into the
Lycoming world yet. What is the consensus out there?

Also, I am looking for a set of baffle cutting templates for this engine.
I looks like it will be a lot of work to make templates from scratch.

Mike.
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[WALTER KLATT]

Also, while I'm not 100% sure about this, but when changing fuel tanks or turning on my tank valves (top ones by the tanks), or after draining the gascolator for water, there may be the possibility of some trapped air in the top of the gascolator. The reason I say this, is that I have noticed sometimes when I use the primer before starting the engine, that it takes a few pumps before I feel it pumping fuel. So it seems to be purging the air out first. Like I said, though, could be wrong here, and maybe it is just that it takes a while for the primer O ring to seat enough to start pumping.

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jones, Michael" <Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com>
Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:44 am
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer

mike

primer, yes, not to say bad word but all cessna,s i have seen have
primers,maybe some makes don't but on some days don't know how you
would start a
0-320 without a primer

as for baffles, vans sells a kit for 0-320 that a lot of people
use and i
have bought, its a great kit

mike#007

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indabush@hay.net
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:38 AM
To: rebel-builders-d@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer


At the risk of asking a dumb question
..................................
O-320 E2D, no fuel pump

I had not planned on installing an engine primer, but now I am not
so
sure. Since most of my flying is in helicopters, I am not totally
into the
Lycoming world yet. What is the consensus out there?

Also, I am looking for a set of baffle cutting templates for this
engine.
I looks like it will be a lot of work to make templates from scratch.

Mike.
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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Remember that underwear darkening COUGH on take off one day Walter?? That
was from the air in your gascolator after you had drained it and not used
the primer to remove the air!

That gives another reason to have one for sure....although, Mike, I wish you
luck starting that lycoming on a cold winters day without a primer...and if
you're going to do it right prime all 4 cylinders for even start/wear....or
at least three if you need a vacuum pick up for a manifold pressure gauge or
sensor like the EIS system.

Cheers,
Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "WALTER KLATT" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer

Also, while I'm not 100% sure about this, but when changing fuel tanks or

turning on my tank valves (top ones by the tanks), or after draining the
gascolator for water, there may be the possibility of some trapped air in
the top of the gascolator. The reason I say this, is that I have noticed
sometimes when I use the primer before starting the engine, that it takes a
few pumps before I feel it pumping fuel. So it seems to be purging the air
out first. Like I said, though, could be wrong here, and maybe it is just
that it takes a while for the primer O ring to seat enough to start pumping.

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jones, Michael" <Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com>
Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:44 am
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer

mike

primer, yes, not to say bad word but all cessna,s i have seen have
primers,maybe some makes don't but on some days don't know how you
would start a
0-320 without a primer

as for baffles, vans sells a kit for 0-320 that a lot of people
use and i
have bought, its a great kit

mike#007

-----Original Message-----
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indabush@hay.net
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:38 AM
To: rebel-builders-d@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer


At the risk of asking a dumb question
..................................
O-320 E2D, no fuel pump

I had not planned on installing an engine primer, but now I am not
so
sure. Since most of my flying is in helicopters, I am not totally
into the
Lycoming world yet. What is the consensus out there?

Also, I am looking for a set of baffle cutting templates for this
engine.
I looks like it will be a lot of work to make templates from scratch.

Mike.
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[WALTER KLATT]

Yes, I do rememer that one very well (surprised you did), but that was after refueling and switching tanks, after filling an empty one. If you recall, I had found that with my fuel set-up (shut off valves up top) that if I close the empty tank before opening the new one, I will create an airlock in my fuel lines. I can repeat and demonstrate that one at will now. If I did that in the air, it would result in an engine outage. Now in hindsight, and thinking about air in the gascolator, maybe the primer would clear that airlock. Will have to try that when I get a chance (on the ground of course).

And then there was that other wierd one if you remember, where I had dirt in my primer, and it caused fuel to get sucked by into my cylinders. Took me a while to find that one (your expert remote diagnosis was right on again, though) and had quite a few engine stumbles at inopportune times, including with a passenger one time at the lake. First time I have ever seen anyone grab for the window of an airplane in flight, like she wanted out. Not sure what she was thinking there, but got her calmed down OK and we cruised back at a low power descent for an uneventful landing back at my cabin. Went through some extra booze that evening, and no more rides that weekend...

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 2:46 pm
Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer

Remember that underwear darkening COUGH on take off one day
Walter?? That
was from the air in your gascolator after you had drained it and
not used
the primer to remove the air!

That gives another reason to have one for sure....although, Mike,
I wish you
luck starting that lycoming on a cold winters day without a
primer...and if
you're going to do it right prime all 4 cylinders for even
start/wear....orat least three if you need a vacuum pick up for a
manifold pressure gauge or
sensor like the EIS system.

Cheers,
Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "WALTER KLATT" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer

Also, while I'm not 100% sure about this, but when changing fuel

tanks or
turning on my tank valves (top ones by the tanks), or after
draining the
gascolator for water, there may be the possibility of some trapped
air in
the top of the gascolator. The reason I say this, is that I have
noticedsometimes when I use the primer before starting the engine,
that it takes a
few pumps before I feel it pumping fuel. So it seems to be purging
the air
out first. Like I said, though, could be wrong here, and maybe it
is just
that it takes a while for the primer O ring to seat enough to
start pumping.

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jones, Michael" <Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com>
Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:44 am
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer

mike

primer, yes, not to say bad word but all cessna,s i have seen have
primers,maybe some makes don't but on some days don't know how you
would start a
0-320 without a primer

as for baffles, vans sells a kit for 0-320 that a lot of people
use and i
have bought, its a great kit

mike#007

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
indabush@hay.net
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:38 AM
To: rebel-builders-d@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer


At the risk of asking a dumb question
..................................
O-320 E2D, no fuel pump

I had not planned on installing an engine primer, but now I am not
so
sure. Since most of my flying is in helicopters, I am not totally
into the
Lycoming world yet. What is the consensus out there?

Also, I am looking for a set of baffle cutting templates for this
engine.
I looks like it will be a lot of work to make templates from

scratch.> >

Mike.
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[Keith Leitch]

Walter,

Are you refering to airplane rides?

--- WALTER KLATT <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca> wrote:

Yes, I do rememer that one very well (surprised you
did), but that was after refueling and switching
tanks, after filling an empty one. If you recall, I
had found that with my fuel set-up (shut off valves
up top) that if I close the empty tank before
opening the new one, I will create an airlock in my
fuel lines. I can repeat and demonstrate that one at
will now. If I did that in the air, it would result
in an engine outage. Now in hindsight, and thinking
about air in the gascolator, maybe the primer would
clear that airlock. Will have to try that when I get
a chance (on the ground of course).

And then there was that other wierd one if you
remember, where I had dirt in my primer, and it
caused fuel to get sucked by into my cylinders. Took
me a while to find that one (your expert remote
diagnosis was right on again, though) and had quite
a few engine stumbles at inopportune times,
including with a passenger one time at the lake.
First time I have ever seen anyone grab for the
window of an airplane in flight, like she wanted
out. Not sure what she was thinking there, but got
her calmed down OK and we cruised back at a low
power descent for an uneventful landing back at my
cabin. Went through some extra booze that evening,
and no more rides that weekend...

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 2:46 pm
Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer

Remember that underwear darkening COUGH on take

off one day

Walter?? That
was from the air in your gascolator after you had

drained it and

not used
the primer to remove the air!

That gives another reason to have one for

sure....although, Mike,

I wish you
luck starting that lycoming on a cold winters day

without a

primer...and if
you're going to do it right prime all 4 cylinders

for even

start/wear....orat least three if you need a

vacuum pick up for a

manifold pressure gauge or
sensor like the EIS system.

Cheers,
Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "WALTER KLATT" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer

Also, while I'm not 100% sure about this, but

when changing fuel

tanks or
turning on my tank valves (top ones by the tanks),

or after

draining the
gascolator for water, there may be the possibility

of some trapped

air in
the top of the gascolator. The reason I say this,

is that I have

noticedsometimes when I use the primer before

starting the engine,

that it takes a
few pumps before I feel it pumping fuel. So it

seems to be purging

the air
out first. Like I said, though, could be wrong

here, and maybe it

is just
that it takes a while for the primer O ring to

seat enough to

start pumping.

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jones, Michael"

<Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com>

Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:44 am
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer

cessna,s i have seen have

days don't know how you

that a lot of people

[mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of

primer, but now I am not

helicopters, I am not totally

there?

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[Walter Klatt]

Yes... And no, it was not the wife, but another friend.

Walter

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Walter,

Are you refering to airplane rides?

--- WALTER KLATT <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca> wrote:

Yes, I do rememer that one very well (surprised you
did), but that was after refueling and switching
tanks, after filling an empty one. If you recall, I
had found that with my fuel set-up (shut off valves
up top) that if I close the empty tank before
opening the new one, I will create an airlock in my
fuel lines. I can repeat and demonstrate that one at
will now. If I did that in the air, it would result
in an engine outage. Now in hindsight, and thinking
about air in the gascolator, maybe the primer would
clear that airlock. Will have to try that when I get
a chance (on the ground of course).

And then there was that other wierd one if you
remember, where I had dirt in my primer, and it
caused fuel to get sucked by into my cylinders. Took
me a while to find that one (your expert remote
diagnosis was right on again, though) and had quite
a few engine stumbles at inopportune times,
including with a passenger one time at the lake.
First time I have ever seen anyone grab for the
window of an airplane in flight, like she wanted
out. Not sure what she was thinking there, but got
her calmed down OK and we cruised back at a low
power descent for an uneventful landing back at my
cabin. Went through some extra booze that evening,
and no more rides that weekend...

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 2:46 pm
Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer

Remember that underwear darkening COUGH on take

off one day

Walter?? That
was from the air in your gascolator after you had

drained it and

not used
the primer to remove the air!

That gives another reason to have one for

sure....although, Mike,

I wish you
luck starting that lycoming on a cold winters day

without a

primer...and if
you're going to do it right prime all 4 cylinders

for even

start/wear....orat least three if you need a

vacuum pick up for a

manifold pressure gauge or
sensor like the EIS system.

Cheers,
Wayne


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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer

Also, while I'm not 100% sure about this, but

when changing fuel

tanks or
turning on my tank valves (top ones by the tanks),

or after

draining the
gascolator for water, there may be the possibility

of some trapped

air in
the top of the gascolator. The reason I say this,

is that I have

noticedsometimes when I use the primer before

starting the engine,

that it takes a
few pumps before I feel it pumping fuel. So it

seems to be purging

the air
out first. Like I said, though, could be wrong

here, and maybe it

is just
that it takes a while for the primer O ring to

seat enough to

start pumping.

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jones, Michael"

<Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com>

Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:44 am
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Engine Primer

cessna,s i have seen have

days don't know how you

that a lot of people

[mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of

primer, but now I am not

helicopters, I am not totally

there?

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