[rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Which is the best mount? Which ever one fits the engine that you get a deal
on! Simple as that....no noticeable difference behind the stick flying a
conical or dynafocal mounted engine in a Rebel. It's not conical or
dynafocal that is lighter or heavier...its' wide deck or narrow decks that
have a weight difference as well as some models have heavier cranks.
Wouldn't let any of that hinder a deal you stir up for an engine!

If you go with the dynafocal just be sure to leave clearance to the cowl
from the airbox, wiring a bit looser, primer lines with good anti-vibe loops
etc..... cause they move around like mad compared to a conical mounted
engine.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:22 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

Okay guys I'm thinking WAY ahead here. But I find the
occasional decent deal on 0-320's and am wondering
what is the prefered type of mount? Conical or
Dynafocal? I have read that one is lighter than the
other and one is also better as far as vibration.
I have an 0-320D2J case that I may rebuild but from
some of the engines I have seen it may just be better
to pick up a running engine and rebuild mine later.
Thanks,
Keith

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[Walter Klatt]

I am starting to think the conical mount is better on the Rebel. I am
nearing 400 hours on mine now, and my carb heat box is still good. A lot of
others I've seen have had the shaft wear due to vibration, and these were on
dynafocal mount engines.

Also, here's a long shot. I wonder if conical mount 0320's are easier on the
Warp Drive props, too. Yours, Wayne, and mine have never had root collar
cracking, and I believe yours is a conical mount, too. Mine is also a narrow
deck.

I have also flown behind both conical and dynofocal Rebels and did not
notice any difference in vibration. In fact, I think mine is quite smooth. I
can't believe that my engine is just better balanced.

Walter

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:31 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

Which is the best mount? Which ever one fits the engine that you get a deal
on! Simple as that....no noticeable difference behind the stick flying a
conical or dynafocal mounted engine in a Rebel. It's not conical or
dynafocal that is lighter or heavier...its' wide deck or narrow decks that
have a weight difference as well as some models have heavier cranks.
Wouldn't let any of that hinder a deal you stir up for an engine!

If you go with the dynafocal just be sure to leave clearance to the cowl
from the airbox, wiring a bit looser, primer lines with good anti-vibe loops
etc..... cause they move around like mad compared to a conical mounted
engine.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:22 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

Okay guys I'm thinking WAY ahead here. But I find the
occasional decent deal on 0-320's and am wondering
what is the prefered type of mount? Conical or
Dynafocal? I have read that one is lighter than the
other and one is also better as far as vibration.
I have an 0-320D2J case that I may rebuild but from
some of the engines I have seen it may just be better
to pick up a running engine and rebuild mine later.
Thanks,
Keith

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Yep...air box for sure. The Elite I have here has the bushings worn right
out of it and shaft was running on the steel box. 180HP Dynafocal.

Prop's a long shot for sure Walter. Jack Wiebe's engine was a conical and he
went thru a few sets of blades. He was a 160HP though....but did keep it at
Hamilton where the taxi time on pavement was very long to the active. I
contend part of what has saved mine is the fact that I fire up on the
grass...the rpm is up around 1400 taxing and them I'm off into the air. Now
that I'm on amphibs I'll have to keep a close eye on it with the one
mag/rough run 500 rpm idle heading for the dock.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

I am starting to think the conical mount is better on the Rebel. I am
nearing 400 hours on mine now, and my carb heat box is still good. A lot

of

others I've seen have had the shaft wear due to vibration, and these were

on

dynafocal mount engines.

Also, here's a long shot. I wonder if conical mount 0320's are easier on

the

Warp Drive props, too. Yours, Wayne, and mine have never had root collar
cracking, and I believe yours is a conical mount, too. Mine is also a

narrow

deck.

I have also flown behind both conical and dynofocal Rebels and did not
notice any difference in vibration. In fact, I think mine is quite smooth.

I

can't believe that my engine is just better balanced.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Wayne

G. O'Shea
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:31 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

Which is the best mount? Which ever one fits the engine that you get a

deal

on! Simple as that....no noticeable difference behind the stick flying a
conical or dynafocal mounted engine in a Rebel. It's not conical or
dynafocal that is lighter or heavier...its' wide deck or narrow decks that
have a weight difference as well as some models have heavier cranks.
Wouldn't let any of that hinder a deal you stir up for an engine!

If you go with the dynafocal just be sure to leave clearance to the cowl
from the airbox, wiring a bit looser, primer lines with good anti-vibe

loops

etc..... cause they move around like mad compared to a conical mounted
engine.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:22 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

Okay guys I'm thinking WAY ahead here. But I find the
occasional decent deal on 0-320's and am wondering
what is the prefered type of mount? Conical or
Dynafocal? I have read that one is lighter than the
other and one is also better as far as vibration.
I have an 0-320D2J case that I may rebuild but from
some of the engines I have seen it may just be better
to pick up a running engine and rebuild mine later.
Thanks,
Keith

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[Bob Patterson]

I'll second (third ?) the air box - only got about 200 hours out of
my O-320 Dynafocal before complete rebuild needed ! Bushings completely
shot - one side worse, but both badly worn !! That engine really
hops around ! Never had a problem with conicals on other Rebels ...

......bobp
-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 25 February 2006 06:51 pm, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Yep...air box for sure. The Elite I have here has the bushings worn right
out of it and shaft was running on the steel box. 180HP Dynafocal.

Prop's a long shot for sure Walter. Jack Wiebe's engine was a conical and
he went thru a few sets of blades. He was a 160HP though....but did keep
it at Hamilton where the taxi time on pavement was very long to the
active. I contend part of what has saved mine is the fact that I fire up
on the grass...the rpm is up around 1400 taxing and them I'm off into the
air. Now that I'm on amphibs I'll have to keep a close eye on it with the
one mag/rough run 500 rpm idle heading for the dock.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

I am starting to think the conical mount is better on the Rebel. I am
nearing 400 hours on mine now, and my carb heat box is still good. A
lot

of

others I've seen have had the shaft wear due to vibration, and these
were

on

dynafocal mount engines.

Also, here's a long shot. I wonder if conical mount 0320's are easier
on

the

Warp Drive props, too. Yours, Wayne, and mine have never had root
collar cracking, and I believe yours is a conical mount, too. Mine is
also a

narrow

deck.

I have also flown behind both conical and dynofocal Rebels and did not
notice any difference in vibration. In fact, I think mine is quite
smooth.

I

can't believe that my engine is just better balanced.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Wayne

G. O'Shea
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:31 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

Which is the best mount? Which ever one fits the engine that you get a

deal

on! Simple as that....no noticeable difference behind the stick flying
a conical or dynafocal mounted engine in a Rebel. It's not conical or
dynafocal that is lighter or heavier...its' wide deck or narrow decks
that have a weight difference as well as some models have heavier
cranks. Wouldn't let any of that hinder a deal you stir up for an
engine!

If you go with the dynafocal just be sure to leave clearance to the
cowl from the airbox, wiring a bit looser, primer lines with good
anti-vibe

loops

etc..... cause they move around like mad compared to a conical mounted
engine.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:22 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

Okay guys I'm thinking WAY ahead here. But I find the
occasional decent deal on 0-320's and am wondering
what is the prefered type of mount? Conical or
Dynafocal? I have read that one is lighter than the
other and one is also better as far as vibration.
I have an 0-320D2J case that I may rebuild but from
some of the engines I have seen it may just be better
to pick up a running engine and rebuild mine later.
Thanks,
Keith

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

That was a BRAND NEW airbox too Bob!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

I'll second (third ?) the air box - only got about 200 hours out of
my O-320 Dynafocal before complete rebuild needed ! Bushings completely
shot - one side worse, but both badly worn !! That engine really
hops around ! Never had a problem with conicals on other Rebels ...

......bobp
-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 25 February 2006 06:51 pm, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Yep...air box for sure. The Elite I have here has the bushings worn

right

out of it and shaft was running on the steel box. 180HP Dynafocal.

Prop's a long shot for sure Walter. Jack Wiebe's engine was a conical

and

he went thru a few sets of blades. He was a 160HP though....but did keep
it at Hamilton where the taxi time on pavement was very long to the
active. I contend part of what has saved mine is the fact that I fire up
on the grass...the rpm is up around 1400 taxing and them I'm off into

the

air. Now that I'm on amphibs I'll have to keep a close eye on it with

the

one mag/rough run 500 rpm idle heading for the dock.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

I am starting to think the conical mount is better on the Rebel. I am
nearing 400 hours on mine now, and my carb heat box is still good. A
lot

of

others I've seen have had the shaft wear due to vibration, and these
were

on

dynafocal mount engines.

Also, here's a long shot. I wonder if conical mount 0320's are easier
on

the

Warp Drive props, too. Yours, Wayne, and mine have never had root
collar cracking, and I believe yours is a conical mount, too. Mine is
also a

narrow

deck.

I have also flown behind both conical and dynofocal Rebels and did not
notice any difference in vibration. In fact, I think mine is quite
smooth.

I

can't believe that my engine is just better balanced.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Wayne

G. O'Shea
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:31 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

Which is the best mount? Which ever one fits the engine that you get a

deal

on! Simple as that....no noticeable difference behind the stick flying
a conical or dynafocal mounted engine in a Rebel. It's not conical or
dynafocal that is lighter or heavier...its' wide deck or narrow decks
that have a weight difference as well as some models have heavier
cranks. Wouldn't let any of that hinder a deal you stir up for an
engine!

If you go with the dynafocal just be sure to leave clearance to the
cowl from the airbox, wiring a bit looser, primer lines with good
anti-vibe

loops

etc..... cause they move around like mad compared to a conical mounted
engine.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Leitch" <im_planecrazy@yahoo.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders" <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:22 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

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[Ron Shannon]

If you can, check out the books by Tony Bingelis, called "Firewall
Forward" and "Tony Bingelis on Engines" -- both published by and
available from EAA. He has quite helpful, in depth comments about the
pros and cons of each mount type -- not to mention a lot of other good info.

Ron

Keith Leitch wrote:

Okay guys I'm thinking WAY ahead here. But I find the
occasional decent deal on 0-320's and am wondering
what is the prefered type of mount? Conical or
Dynafocal? I have read that one is lighter than the
other and one is also better as far as vibration.
I have an 0-320D2J case that I may rebuild but from
some of the engines I have seen it may just be better
to pick up a running engine and rebuild mine later.
Thanks,
Keith

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[Brian Godden]

Don't forget your choice of engine mount will determine which cowl you will
have to use on the Rebel.....

From: Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:49:19 -0800

If you can, check out the books by Tony Bingelis, called "Firewall
Forward" and "Tony Bingelis on Engines" -- both published by and
available from EAA. He has quite helpful, in depth comments about the
pros and cons of each mount type -- not to mention a lot of other good
info.

Ron

Keith Leitch wrote:

Okay guys I'm thinking WAY ahead here. But I find the
occasional decent deal on 0-320's and am wondering
what is the prefered type of mount? Conical or
Dynafocal? I have read that one is lighter than the
other and one is also better as far as vibration.
I have an 0-320D2J case that I may rebuild but from
some of the engines I have seen it may just be better
to pick up a running engine and rebuild mine later.
Thanks,
Keith

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[Keith Leitch]

Brian and all,

Thanks. I hadn't thought about needing a different
cowl depending on the mount chosen.

Seems like the best style mount though is the conical.
Now to find an engine that requires that style mount.
The speed that I am building though I have plenty of
time to look.

Keith R661

--- Brian Godden <brian_godden@hotmail.com> wrote:

Don't forget your choice of engine mount will
determine which cowl you will
have to use on the Rebel.....

From: Ron Shannon <rshannon@cruzcom.com>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Which is the better

engine mount

Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:49:19 -0800

If you can, check out the books by Tony Bingelis,

called "Firewall

Forward" and "Tony Bingelis on Engines" -- both

published by and

available from EAA. He has quite helpful, in depth

comments about the

pros and cons of each mount type -- not to mention

a lot of other good

info.

Ron

Keith Leitch wrote:

Okay guys I'm thinking WAY ahead here. But I

find the

occasional decent deal on 0-320's and am

wondering

what is the prefered type of mount? Conical or
Dynafocal? I have read that one is lighter than

the

other and one is also better as far as

vibration.

I have an 0-320D2J case that I may rebuild but

from

some of the engines I have seen it may just be

better

to pick up a running engine and rebuild mine

later.

Thanks,
Keith

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[bransom]

Could someone clarify which 0320 engine mount works with the MAM speed
cowl? Also, unless there are too many variations, which 0320 models with
that mount?
Thanks,
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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Ben !

Lots of conflicting options ! Unless you already have a cowl,
don't worry about it until you do get an engine. :-)
You already know I prefer the 4 door metal cowl, for ease of
access.... ;-)
......bobp
-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 27 February 2006 02:51 pm, bransom@dcsol.com wrote:

Could someone clarify which 0320 engine mount works with the MAM speed
cowl? Also, unless there are too many variations, which 0320 models with
that mount?
Thanks,
-Ben/ 496R ...prosealed top tank skin on 2nd wing yesterday :)

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[bransom]

Hey Bob,
Yep, I don't know why I try to park all these little tidbits in my
brain. ...better to wait till I'm there ...just champin at the bit I guess.

But that does bring up another question. I see that setting the tail offset for
direction of prop comes pretty soon in the fuselage construction. I'm hoping
it's fairly easy to hold off on that -- any problems that you know of? Ya see,
my two favorite engine choices are an 0320 or hoping George comes out with
that R-263, and they turn opposite directions.
-Ben

Hi Ben !

Lots of conflicting options ! Unless you already have a cowl,
don't worry about it until you do get an engine. :-)
You already know I prefer the 4 door metal cowl, for ease of
access.... ;-)
......bobp
-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 27 February 2006 02:51 pm, bransom@dcsol.com wrote:

Could someone clarify which 0320 engine mount works with the MAM

speed

cowl? Also, unless there are too many variations, which 0320 models with
that mount?
Thanks,
-Ben/ 496R ...prosealed top tank skin on 2nd wing yesterday :)

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

That's a real easy one Ben! Mount the sucker dead center! That's where
Howard's is...and Bob's is....and they fly hands off straight.

Wayne


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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Which is the better engine mount

Hey Bob,
Yep, I don't know why I try to park all these little tidbits in my
brain. ...better to wait till I'm there ...just champin at the bit I

guess.

But that does bring up another question. I see that setting the tail

offset for

direction of prop comes pretty soon in the fuselage construction. I'm

hoping

it's fairly easy to hold off on that -- any problems that you know of? Ya

see,

my two favorite engine choices are an 0320 or hoping George comes out with
that R-263, and they turn opposite directions.
-Ben

Hi Ben !

Lots of conflicting options ! Unless you already have a cowl,
don't worry about it until you do get an engine. :-)
You already know I prefer the 4 door metal cowl, for ease of
access.... ;-)
......bobp
-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 27 February 2006 02:51 pm, bransom@dcsol.com wrote:

Could someone clarify which 0320 engine mount works with the MAM

speed

cowl? Also, unless there are too many variations, which 0320 models

with

that mount?
Thanks,
-Ben/ 496R ...prosealed top tank skin on 2nd wing yesterday :)

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