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Alan Hepburn

Elite aileron settings

Post by Alan Hepburn » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

Well, Mike, That's a good question. Somewhere in the instructions, it says
that the flaps have 10* reflex, and somewhere else it says that they're
flush with the top of the cabin. The trouble is, that's not the same thing.
I rigged mine 10* above the extended lower surface of the wing, which puts
the top of the flap trailing edge about 3/4" below the top of the cabin.
Somewhere, I also saw a Murphy photo which showed the flap fairing flush
with the top of the cabin, but angled down about 3/4" between the fus and
the flap. It was so crude it looked like it had been done with a baseball
bat! Anyway, flush with the top of the cabin would be a ridiculous amount
of reflex, so I my fairings are in line with the flaps, and are 3/4" below
the cabin top at the TE.

Of course, the ailerons are in line with the flap, and with this setup I
found that the supplied tips do not line up with the ailerons, so I had to
do major surgery on the tips to get them to line up. I have some pics, but
somehow my Wildcat password, so unable to upload until I re-register.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

On the Elite is the flap lined up with the fairing/roof or does it follow
the contour of the wing? Does the aileron line up with the flap.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

I rigged one side today and I get the following:
Full stick with out stops R/L, 12 degrees up
Full stick with out stops opposite, 12 degrees down
With full flaps (30 degrees) at nuetral stick, 15 degrees down
With full flaps, stick moved full R/L, 5 degrees down
With full flaps, stick moved full opposite, 30 degrees down
I am using a good carpenters level with a moveable dial vial. I think it
is
with in a degree or 2.
I also notice quite a bit of slack in flap cable when using ailerons,
about
1/8". Also when grabing flap and checking tightness, there seems to be
quite
a bit of flex in the root rib. The flaps and ailerons are lined up in
nuetral.
Mike Betti
771E

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Number sounds familiar! (6 5/8"). I always make that link out of 1/2"
plywood on initial set up for testing throws and then make the push
pull
tube to suit. I'll check my template hanging on the pattern "rack"
tomorrow.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

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Alan Hepburn

Elite aileron settings

Post by Alan Hepburn » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

Mike:

I have uploaded a few pics of Elite flap fairings, plus the surgery to align
the tips with the ailerons, to the "E Fairings" section #316.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

On the Elite is the flap lined up with the fairing/roof or does it follow
the contour of the wing? Does the aileron line up with the flap.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

I rigged one side today and I get the following:
Full stick with out stops R/L, 12 degrees up
Full stick with out stops opposite, 12 degrees down
With full flaps (30 degrees) at nuetral stick, 15 degrees down
With full flaps, stick moved full R/L, 5 degrees down
With full flaps, stick moved full opposite, 30 degrees down
I am using a good carpenters level with a moveable dial vial. I think it
is
with in a degree or 2.
I also notice quite a bit of slack in flap cable when using ailerons,
about
1/8". Also when grabing flap and checking tightness, there seems to be
quite
a bit of flex in the root rib. The flaps and ailerons are lined up in
nuetral.
Mike Betti
771E

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Number sounds familiar! (6 5/8"). I always make that link out of 1/2"
plywood on initial set up for testing throws and then make the push
pull
tube to suit. I'll check my template hanging on the pattern "rack"
tomorrow.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

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Mike Betti

Elite aileron settings

Post by Mike Betti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

Thanks Al, Bob,
What I find in my manual is in the controls section it calls for 5 degrees
reflex. This makes since because the flap has a 2 different angled surfaces
of 5 degrees on the bottom. If you make the bottom leading edge surface of
the flaps 0, the trailing flap edge is then at 5. If I go any more than 5,
the leading edge actually starts to drop below the plane of the wing and
probably adds drag.
Keith and Al,
Do you know how many degrees of aileron movement you have from neutral each
way? I'm only getting 11 or 12 degrees and I don't see where I could gain
anymore with out changing the geometry. One section in the manual shows the
aileron being adjusted from neutral, up 5-1/4" at the trailing edge. With 11
degrees I only get about 3" at best. Also, when I move the stick I don't
feel any slack anywhere, but if I grab an aileron and move it up and down
quickly, I feel a bunch of slack coming from somewhere. I don't know if it's
from the flap mechanism moving or what.
Wayne,
Since you put more of these together than any one, could you tell me how
many threads should show on the hiem joints after they are adjusted?
Thanks all,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Mike:

I have uploaded a few pics of Elite flap fairings, plus the surgery to
align
the tips with the ailerons, to the "E Fairings" section #316.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

On the Elite is the flap lined up with the fairing/roof or does it follow
the contour of the wing? Does the aileron line up with the flap.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

I rigged one side today and I get the following:
Full stick with out stops R/L, 12 degrees up
Full stick with out stops opposite, 12 degrees down
With full flaps (30 degrees) at nuetral stick, 15 degrees down
With full flaps, stick moved full R/L, 5 degrees down
With full flaps, stick moved full opposite, 30 degrees down
I am using a good carpenters level with a moveable dial vial. I think
it
is
with in a degree or 2.
I also notice quite a bit of slack in flap cable when using ailerons,
about
1/8". Also when grabing flap and checking tightness, there seems to be
quite
a bit of flex in the root rib. The flaps and ailerons are lined up in
nuetral.
Mike Betti
771E

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

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Wayne G. O'Shea

Elite aileron settings

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

All I can offer on the rod ends Mike is to make sure you are using the full
thread depth of the tube end. Other than that they can end up anywhere.

On the left/right stick to aileron movement...note that on the Rebel I
always end up grinding the stick opening in the control tube in at least one
spot to get more stick travel. Suspect it's no different in the
Elite...since it's the same set up in the cabin. If the stick stop is not
hitting (or getting darn close) to the control tube then you need to open up
the stick hole to suit. Don't forget to drill those stick stops as well 3/16
for AN3 bolts and a few washers for a positive stop on final set up.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Thanks Al, Bob,
What I find in my manual is in the controls section it calls for 5 degrees
reflex. This makes since because the flap has a 2 different angled
surfaces
of 5 degrees on the bottom. If you make the bottom leading edge surface of
the flaps 0, the trailing flap edge is then at 5. If I go any more than 5,
the leading edge actually starts to drop below the plane of the wing and
probably adds drag.
Keith and Al,
Do you know how many degrees of aileron movement you have from neutral
each
way? I'm only getting 11 or 12 degrees and I don't see where I could gain
anymore with out changing the geometry. One section in the manual shows
the
aileron being adjusted from neutral, up 5-1/4" at the trailing edge. With
11
degrees I only get about 3" at best. Also, when I move the stick I don't
feel any slack anywhere, but if I grab an aileron and move it up and down
quickly, I feel a bunch of slack coming from somewhere. I don't know if
it's
from the flap mechanism moving or what.
Wayne,
Since you put more of these together than any one, could you tell me how
many threads should show on the hiem joints after they are adjusted?
Thanks all,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Mike:

I have uploaded a few pics of Elite flap fairings, plus the surgery to
align
the tips with the ailerons, to the "E Fairings" section #316.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

On the Elite is the flap lined up with the fairing/roof or does it
follow
the contour of the wing? Does the aileron line up with the flap.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

be
1/2"
pull
aileron
to
assembly.
the
controls
answer.
Behalf
Of
and
pushrod
test
20*
up
pic
of
wing
what
it
to
centered
a
Behalf
Of
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Mike Betti

Elite aileron settings

Post by Mike Betti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

Thanks Wayne,
I have 9 washers under each an3 bolt now and just about hitting the tube as
you mention.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

All I can offer on the rod ends Mike is to make sure you are using the
full
thread depth of the tube end. Other than that they can end up anywhere.

On the left/right stick to aileron movement...note that on the Rebel I
always end up grinding the stick opening in the control tube in at least
one
spot to get more stick travel. Suspect it's no different in the
Elite...since it's the same set up in the cabin. If the stick stop is not
hitting (or getting darn close) to the control tube then you need to open
up
the stick hole to suit. Don't forget to drill those stick stops as well
3/16
for AN3 bolts and a few washers for a positive stop on final set up.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Thanks Al, Bob,
What I find in my manual is in the controls section it calls for 5
degrees
reflex. This makes since because the flap has a 2 different angled
surfaces
of 5 degrees on the bottom. If you make the bottom leading edge surface
of
the flaps 0, the trailing flap edge is then at 5. If I go any more than
5,
the leading edge actually starts to drop below the plane of the wing and
probably adds drag.
Keith and Al,
Do you know how many degrees of aileron movement you have from neutral
each
way? I'm only getting 11 or 12 degrees and I don't see where I could gain
anymore with out changing the geometry. One section in the manual shows
the
aileron being adjusted from neutral, up 5-1/4" at the trailing edge. With
11
degrees I only get about 3" at best. Also, when I move the stick I don't
feel any slack anywhere, but if I grab an aileron and move it up and down
quickly, I feel a bunch of slack coming from somewhere. I don't know if
it's
from the flap mechanism moving or what.
Wayne,
Since you put more of these together than any one, could you tell me how
many threads should show on the hiem joints after they are adjusted?
Thanks all,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Mike:

I have uploaded a few pics of Elite flap fairings, plus the surgery to
align
the tips with the ailerons, to the "E Fairings" section #316.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

follow
be
1/2"
pull
aileron
to
assembly.
the
controls
answer.
Behalf
Of and pushrod
test
20*
up
pic
of
wing
what
it
to
centered
a
Behalf
Of
down
on
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the
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Wayne G. O'Shea

Elite aileron settings

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

9 washers seems like a heck of a stack. Three or four is generally the
rule...but don't take that verbatum..been a long day. I'll have a peak at
the 4 examples in the hangar tomorrow after I go vote to try and keep our
country...our country! LOL

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Thanks Wayne,
I have 9 washers under each an3 bolt now and just about hitting the tube
as
you mention.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

All I can offer on the rod ends Mike is to make sure you are using the
full
thread depth of the tube end. Other than that they can end up anywhere.

On the left/right stick to aileron movement...note that on the Rebel I
always end up grinding the stick opening in the control tube in at least
one
spot to get more stick travel. Suspect it's no different in the
Elite...since it's the same set up in the cabin. If the stick stop is
not
hitting (or getting darn close) to the control tube then you need to
open
up
the stick hole to suit. Don't forget to drill those stick stops as well
3/16
for AN3 bolts and a few washers for a positive stop on final set up.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Thanks Al, Bob,
What I find in my manual is in the controls section it calls for 5
degrees
reflex. This makes since because the flap has a 2 different angled
surfaces
of 5 degrees on the bottom. If you make the bottom leading edge surface
of
the flaps 0, the trailing flap edge is then at 5. If I go any more than
5,
the leading edge actually starts to drop below the plane of the wing
and
probably adds drag.
Keith and Al,
Do you know how many degrees of aileron movement you have from neutral
each
way? I'm only getting 11 or 12 degrees and I don't see where I could
gain
anymore with out changing the geometry. One section in the manual shows
the
aileron being adjusted from neutral, up 5-1/4" at the trailing edge.
With
11
degrees I only get about 3" at best. Also, when I move the stick I
don't
feel any slack anywhere, but if I grab an aileron and move it up and
down
quickly, I feel a bunch of slack coming from somewhere. I don't know if
it's
from the flap mechanism moving or what.
Wayne,
Since you put more of these together than any one, could you tell me
how
many threads should show on the hiem joints after they are adjusted?
Thanks all,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

to
follow
to
be
1/2"
push
"rack"
aileron
the
assembly.
have
the
controls
answer.
airplane
Behalf
to
test
20*
pic
wing
what
doubler
to
centered
Behalf
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KEITH OLIVER

Elite aileron settings

Post by KEITH OLIVER » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

I get about 20 degrees each way from neutral, now for the rest of the story
I am beginning to realize that the correct movement will not be obtained
until the teleflex cable is set up and properly
adjusted.
Pay particular attention to figs 15.6.3 mixer horn, 15.8.16 mixer arm
placement and 15.10.16 teleflex cable & mixer arm
The text is as always almost useless.

I was thinking the teleflex cable pulled but it now looks as if it pushes on
the mixer arm. This means that the mixer arm in the neutral position needs
not to rest on the bottom of the slide but higher, thus when flaps are used
the mixer horn lowers pulling both ailerons in steps towards the missing 40
Degrees ???
I have either now figured this out or am totally lost.

Keith B. Oliver



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Betti
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:40 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings


Thanks Al, Bob,
What I find in my manual is in the controls section it calls for 5 degrees
reflex. This makes since because the flap has a 2 different angled surfaces
of 5 degrees on the bottom. If you make the bottom leading edge surface of
the flaps 0, the trailing flap edge is then at 5. If I go any more than 5,
the leading edge actually starts to drop below the plane of the wing and
probably adds drag.
Keith and Al,
Do you know how many degrees of aileron movement you have from neutral each
way? I'm only getting 11 or 12 degrees and I don't see where I could gain
anymore with out changing the geometry. One section in the manual shows the
aileron being adjusted from neutral, up 5-1/4" at the trailing edge. With 11

degrees I only get about 3" at best. Also, when I move the stick I don't
feel any slack anywhere, but if I grab an aileron and move it up and down
quickly, I feel a bunch of slack coming from somewhere. I don't know if it's

from the flap mechanism moving or what.
Wayne,
Since you put more of these together than any one, could you tell me how
many threads should show on the hiem joints after they are adjusted? Thanks
all, Mike Betti 771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Mike:

I have uploaded a few pics of Elite flap fairings, plus the surgery to
align
the tips with the ailerons, to the "E Fairings" section #316.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

On the Elite is the flap lined up with the fairing/roof or does it
follow the contour of the wing? Does the aileron line up with the
flap. Thanks, Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

I rigged one side today and I get the following:
Full stick with out stops R/L, 12 degrees up
Full stick with out stops opposite, 12 degrees down
With full flaps (30 degrees) at nuetral stick, 15 degrees down
With full flaps, stick moved full R/L, 5 degrees down With full
flaps, stick moved full opposite, 30 degrees down I am using a good
carpenters level with a moveable dial vial. I think it
is
with in a degree or 2.
I also notice quite a bit of slack in flap cable when using ailerons,
about
1/8". Also when grabing flap and checking tightness, there seems to be
quite
a bit of flex in the root rib. The flaps and ailerons are lined up in
nuetral.
Mike Betti
771E

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

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pushrod
up
of
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Of
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Alan Hepburn

Elite aileron settings

Post by Alan Hepburn » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

The mixer is up when the flaps are retracted. I used a piece of 1 1/2" x
1/4" scrap in the mixer guide slot to hold it in the up position when I was
rigging everything. I have own design electric flaps, with no Teleflex
cable, so no sloppiness problems. The mixer is actuated by a pushrod direct
from the flap torque tube, which in my case is located aft of the aileron
torque tube.

I agress with Wayne; the outboard ends of the control column (where the 1/2"
wide rings are located) required quite a bit of grinding to get enough
movement. So locate the rivets at 45* from the verical/horizontal, or
you'll wind up grinding the rivets away.

On the little pushrod from the control column to the forward aileron
bellcrank, I used (per Ralph Baker's suggestion) the ACS rotating coupling
to allow unimpeded movement of the column in the up/down direction. The
Murphy way of allowing one of the coupling's threads to rotate seemed
dubious. Back in the UK, the Morris Minor lower steering bearings were like
that, and the old ones used to wind up with a retracting gear!

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "KEITH OLIVER" <kb_oliver@verizon.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: Elite aileron settings

I get about 20 degrees each way from neutral, now for the rest of the
story
I am beginning to realize that the correct movement will not be obtained
until the teleflex cable is set up and properly
adjusted.
Pay particular attention to figs 15.6.3 mixer horn, 15.8.16 mixer arm
placement and 15.10.16 teleflex cable & mixer arm
The text is as always almost useless.

I was thinking the teleflex cable pulled but it now looks as if it pushes
on
the mixer arm. This means that the mixer arm in the neutral position needs
not to rest on the bottom of the slide but higher, thus when flaps are
used
the mixer horn lowers pulling both ailerons in steps towards the missing
40
Degrees ???
I have either now figured this out or am totally lost.

Keith B. Oliver



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Betti
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:40 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings


Thanks Al, Bob,
What I find in my manual is in the controls section it calls for 5 degrees
reflex. This makes since because the flap has a 2 different angled
surfaces
of 5 degrees on the bottom. If you make the bottom leading edge surface of
the flaps 0, the trailing flap edge is then at 5. If I go any more than 5,
the leading edge actually starts to drop below the plane of the wing and
probably adds drag.
Keith and Al,
Do you know how many degrees of aileron movement you have from neutral
each
way? I'm only getting 11 or 12 degrees and I don't see where I could gain
anymore with out changing the geometry. One section in the manual shows
the
aileron being adjusted from neutral, up 5-1/4" at the trailing edge. With
11
degrees I only get about 3" at best. Also, when I move the stick I don't
feel any slack anywhere, but if I grab an aileron and move it up and down
quickly, I feel a bunch of slack coming from somewhere. I don't know if
it's
from the flap mechanism moving or what.
Wayne,
Since you put more of these together than any one, could you tell me how
many threads should show on the hiem joints after they are adjusted?
Thanks
all, Mike Betti 771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Mike:

I have uploaded a few pics of Elite flap fairings, plus the surgery to
align
the tips with the ailerons, to the "E Fairings" section #316.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

On the Elite is the flap lined up with the fairing/roof or does it
follow the contour of the wing? Does the aileron line up with the
flap. Thanks, Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

be
pull
to
the
controls
answer.
Of
and
pushrod
up
of
what
it
a
Of
on
the
so
I
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Jesse Jenks

Elite aileron settings

Post by Jesse Jenks » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

Al,
A quick look through the bearings section of the Spruce catalog and I don't
see the rotating coupling you're talking about. Can you give me a vector? It
sounds like a good thing.
Thanks.
Jesse
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:21:29 -0500

The mixer is up when the flaps are retracted. I used a piece of 1 1/2" x
1/4" scrap in the mixer guide slot to hold it in the up position when I was
rigging everything. I have own design electric flaps, with no Teleflex
cable, so no sloppiness problems. The mixer is actuated by a pushrod
direct
from the flap torque tube, which in my case is located aft of the aileron
torque tube.

I agress with Wayne; the outboard ends of the control column (where the
1/2"
wide rings are located) required quite a bit of grinding to get enough
movement. So locate the rivets at 45* from the verical/horizontal, or
you'll wind up grinding the rivets away.

On the little pushrod from the control column to the forward aileron
bellcrank, I used (per Ralph Baker's suggestion) the ACS rotating coupling
to allow unimpeded movement of the column in the up/down direction. The
Murphy way of allowing one of the coupling's threads to rotate seemed
dubious. Back in the UK, the Morris Minor lower steering bearings were
like
that, and the old ones used to wind up with a retracting gear!

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "KEITH OLIVER" <kb_oliver@verizon.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: Elite aileron settings

I get about 20 degrees each way from neutral, now for the rest of the
story
I am beginning to realize that the correct movement will not be obtained
until the teleflex cable is set up and properly
adjusted.
Pay particular attention to figs 15.6.3 mixer horn, 15.8.16 mixer arm
placement and 15.10.16 teleflex cable & mixer arm
The text is as always almost useless.

I was thinking the teleflex cable pulled but it now looks as if it
pushes
on
the mixer arm. This means that the mixer arm in the neutral position
needs
not to rest on the bottom of the slide but higher, thus when flaps are
used
the mixer horn lowers pulling both ailerons in steps towards the missing
40
Degrees ???
I have either now figured this out or am totally lost.

Keith B. Oliver



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Mike
Betti
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:40 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings


Thanks Al, Bob,
What I find in my manual is in the controls section it calls for 5
degrees
reflex. This makes since because the flap has a 2 different angled
surfaces
of 5 degrees on the bottom. If you make the bottom leading edge surface
of
the flaps 0, the trailing flap edge is then at 5. If I go any more than
5,
the leading edge actually starts to drop below the plane of the wing and
probably adds drag.
Keith and Al,
Do you know how many degrees of aileron movement you have from neutral
each
way? I'm only getting 11 or 12 degrees and I don't see where I could
gain
anymore with out changing the geometry. One section in the manual shows
the
aileron being adjusted from neutral, up 5-1/4" at the trailing edge.
With
11
degrees I only get about 3" at best. Also, when I move the stick I don't
feel any slack anywhere, but if I grab an aileron and move it up and
down
quickly, I feel a bunch of slack coming from somewhere. I don't know if
it's
from the flap mechanism moving or what.
Wayne,
Since you put more of these together than any one, could you tell me how
many threads should show on the hiem joints after they are adjusted?
Thanks
all, Mike Betti 771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Mike:

I have uploaded a few pics of Elite flap fairings, plus the surgery to
align
the tips with the ailerons, to the "E Fairings" section #316.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

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Alan Hepburn

Elite aileron settings

Post by Alan Hepburn » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

It's the "Rod end swivel bearing", P/N 05-01021, tucked away at the bottom
of p. 137 in the 05-06 catalog. It just need turned down a little to slip
inside the 3/4" pushrod tubing (it's 3/4" in diameter itself). There's lots
of meat to do this. I Have a pic. of this if that's of interest.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Al,
A quick look through the bearings section of the Spruce catalog and I
don't
see the rotating coupling you're talking about. Can you give me a vector?
It
sounds like a good thing.
Thanks.
Jesse
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:21:29 -0500

The mixer is up when the flaps are retracted. I used a piece of 1 1/2" x
1/4" scrap in the mixer guide slot to hold it in the up position when I
was
rigging everything. I have own design electric flaps, with no Teleflex
cable, so no sloppiness problems. The mixer is actuated by a pushrod
direct
from the flap torque tube, which in my case is located aft of the aileron
torque tube.

I agress with Wayne; the outboard ends of the control column (where the
1/2"
wide rings are located) required quite a bit of grinding to get enough
movement. So locate the rivets at 45* from the verical/horizontal, or
you'll wind up grinding the rivets away.

On the little pushrod from the control column to the forward aileron
bellcrank, I used (per Ralph Baker's suggestion) the ACS rotating
coupling
to allow unimpeded movement of the column in the up/down direction. The
Murphy way of allowing one of the coupling's threads to rotate seemed
dubious. Back in the UK, the Morris Minor lower steering bearings were
like
that, and the old ones used to wind up with a retracting gear!

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "KEITH OLIVER" <kb_oliver@verizon.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: Elite aileron settings

I get about 20 degrees each way from neutral, now for the rest of the
story
I am beginning to realize that the correct movement will not be
obtained
until the teleflex cable is set up and properly
adjusted.
Pay particular attention to figs 15.6.3 mixer horn, 15.8.16 mixer arm
placement and 15.10.16 teleflex cable & mixer arm
The text is as always almost useless.

I was thinking the teleflex cable pulled but it now looks as if it
pushes
on
the mixer arm. This means that the mixer arm in the neutral position
needs
not to rest on the bottom of the slide but higher, thus when flaps are
used
the mixer horn lowers pulling both ailerons in steps towards the
missing
40
Degrees ???
I have either now figured this out or am totally lost.

Keith B. Oliver



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Mike
Betti
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:40 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings


Thanks Al, Bob,
What I find in my manual is in the controls section it calls for 5
degrees
reflex. This makes since because the flap has a 2 different angled
surfaces
of 5 degrees on the bottom. If you make the bottom leading edge
surface
of
the flaps 0, the trailing flap edge is then at 5. If I go any more
than
5,
the leading edge actually starts to drop below the plane of the wing
and
probably adds drag.
Keith and Al,
Do you know how many degrees of aileron movement you have from neutral
each
way? I'm only getting 11 or 12 degrees and I don't see where I could
gain
anymore with out changing the geometry. One section in the manual
shows
the
aileron being adjusted from neutral, up 5-1/4" at the trailing edge.
With
11
degrees I only get about 3" at best. Also, when I move the stick I
don't
feel any slack anywhere, but if I grab an aileron and move it up and
down
quickly, I feel a bunch of slack coming from somewhere. I don't know
if
it's
from the flap mechanism moving or what.
Wayne,
Since you put more of these together than any one, could you tell me
how
many threads should show on the hiem joints after they are adjusted?
Thanks
all, Mike Betti 771E
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

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Mike Betti

Elite aileron settings

Post by Mike Betti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

Thanks Al,
I don't get what you mean about the rivets in the way. What I see is just
inboard of the sticks I needed to grind out and was able to pickup a few
degrees, down to about 6 washers under stops. If I go any more I run into
clearance problems at the equalizer mounted to the flap arm behind the
pilot. The pushrod ends behind the pilot bottom out on the equalizer itself.
I noticed that maybe I don't have those two pushrods that go up the the
torque tubes behind the pilot adjusted right. I need to get the angles to
match as shown in the manual. Right now the two arms on the torque tubes are
even with each other in nuetral. Kind of a hard one to measure the angles.
Anyone know about how far apart the two levers up on the roof are from each
other in nuetral? Also is the longer pushrod (1/4" longer) in the front or
rear?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

The mixer is up when the flaps are retracted. I used a piece of 1 1/2" x
1/4" scrap in the mixer guide slot to hold it in the up position when I
was
rigging everything. I have own design electric flaps, with no Teleflex
cable, so no sloppiness problems. The mixer is actuated by a pushrod
direct
from the flap torque tube, which in my case is located aft of the aileron
torque tube.

I agress with Wayne; the outboard ends of the control column (where the
1/2"
wide rings are located) required quite a bit of grinding to get enough
movement. So locate the rivets at 45* from the verical/horizontal, or
you'll wind up grinding the rivets away.

On the little pushrod from the control column to the forward aileron
bellcrank, I used (per Ralph Baker's suggestion) the ACS rotating coupling
to allow unimpeded movement of the column in the up/down direction. The
Murphy way of allowing one of the coupling's threads to rotate seemed
dubious. Back in the UK, the Morris Minor lower steering bearings were
like
that, and the old ones used to wind up with a retracting gear!

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "KEITH OLIVER" <kb_oliver@verizon.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: Elite aileron settings

I get about 20 degrees each way from neutral, now for the rest of the
story
I am beginning to realize that the correct movement will not be obtained
until the teleflex cable is set up and properly
adjusted.
Pay particular attention to figs 15.6.3 mixer horn, 15.8.16 mixer arm
placement and 15.10.16 teleflex cable & mixer arm
The text is as always almost useless.

I was thinking the teleflex cable pulled but it now looks as if it pushes
on
the mixer arm. This means that the mixer arm in the neutral position
needs
not to rest on the bottom of the slide but higher, thus when flaps are
used
the mixer horn lowers pulling both ailerons in steps towards the missing
40
Degrees ???
I have either now figured this out or am totally lost.

Keith B. Oliver



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Mike
Betti
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:40 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings


Thanks Al, Bob,
What I find in my manual is in the controls section it calls for 5
degrees
reflex. This makes since because the flap has a 2 different angled
surfaces
of 5 degrees on the bottom. If you make the bottom leading edge surface
of
the flaps 0, the trailing flap edge is then at 5. If I go any more than
5,
the leading edge actually starts to drop below the plane of the wing and
probably adds drag.
Keith and Al,
Do you know how many degrees of aileron movement you have from neutral
each
way? I'm only getting 11 or 12 degrees and I don't see where I could gain
anymore with out changing the geometry. One section in the manual shows
the
aileron being adjusted from neutral, up 5-1/4" at the trailing edge. With
11
degrees I only get about 3" at best. Also, when I move the stick I don't
feel any slack anywhere, but if I grab an aileron and move it up and down
quickly, I feel a bunch of slack coming from somewhere. I don't know if
it's
from the flap mechanism moving or what.
Wayne,
Since you put more of these together than any one, could you tell me how
many threads should show on the hiem joints after they are adjusted?
Thanks
all, Mike Betti 771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Mike:

I have uploaded a few pics of Elite flap fairings, plus the surgery to
align
the tips with the ailerons, to the "E Fairings" section #316.

Al
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:28 PM
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Wayne G. O'Shea

Elite aileron settings

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

Mike...checked the "fleet". The Elite has 3 washers under left and 4 under
right stick stop. One rebel has 4 under each side and mine has 5 washers
under each side.

As for that push pull tube between the torque tube horn and the aileron
horn. The Elite is WAY longer than spec at 8 1/4". Me thinks I'll be having
a good look at the "throws" before she flies out of here. Howards is 6 5/8"
(center of rod end to center of rod end) and mine are 6 1/8"

As for the "equalizer" as you call it...tubes should not be bottoming on it.
Space them out further with longer bolts and more washers if you need to.

Front or rear..can't remember!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Thanks Al,
I don't get what you mean about the rivets in the way. What I see is just
inboard of the sticks I needed to grind out and was able to pickup a few
degrees, down to about 6 washers under stops. If I go any more I run into
clearance problems at the equalizer mounted to the flap arm behind the
pilot. The pushrod ends behind the pilot bottom out on the equalizer
itself.
I noticed that maybe I don't have those two pushrods that go up the the
torque tubes behind the pilot adjusted right. I need to get the angles to
match as shown in the manual. Right now the two arms on the torque tubes
are
even with each other in nuetral. Kind of a hard one to measure the angles.
Anyone know about how far apart the two levers up on the roof are from
each
other in nuetral? Also is the longer pushrod (1/4" longer) in the front or
rear?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

The mixer is up when the flaps are retracted. I used a piece of 1 1/2"
x
1/4" scrap in the mixer guide slot to hold it in the up position when I
was
rigging everything. I have own design electric flaps, with no Teleflex
cable, so no sloppiness problems. The mixer is actuated by a pushrod
direct
from the flap torque tube, which in my case is located aft of the
aileron
torque tube.

I agress with Wayne; the outboard ends of the control column (where the
1/2"
wide rings are located) required quite a bit of grinding to get enough
movement. So locate the rivets at 45* from the verical/horizontal, or
you'll wind up grinding the rivets away.

On the little pushrod from the control column to the forward aileron
bellcrank, I used (per Ralph Baker's suggestion) the ACS rotating
coupling
to allow unimpeded movement of the column in the up/down direction. The
Murphy way of allowing one of the coupling's threads to rotate seemed
dubious. Back in the UK, the Morris Minor lower steering bearings were
like
that, and the old ones used to wind up with a retracting gear!

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "KEITH OLIVER" <kb_oliver@verizon.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: Elite aileron settings

I get about 20 degrees each way from neutral, now for the rest of the
story
I am beginning to realize that the correct movement will not be
obtained
until the teleflex cable is set up and properly
adjusted.
Pay particular attention to figs 15.6.3 mixer horn, 15.8.16 mixer arm
placement and 15.10.16 teleflex cable & mixer arm
The text is as always almost useless.

I was thinking the teleflex cable pulled but it now looks as if it
pushes
on
the mixer arm. This means that the mixer arm in the neutral position
needs
not to rest on the bottom of the slide but higher, thus when flaps are
used
the mixer horn lowers pulling both ailerons in steps towards the
missing
40
Degrees ???
I have either now figured this out or am totally lost.

Keith B. Oliver



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Mike
Betti
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:40 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings


Thanks Al, Bob,
What I find in my manual is in the controls section it calls for 5
degrees
reflex. This makes since because the flap has a 2 different angled
surfaces
of 5 degrees on the bottom. If you make the bottom leading edge surface
of
the flaps 0, the trailing flap edge is then at 5. If I go any more than
5,
the leading edge actually starts to drop below the plane of the wing
and
probably adds drag.
Keith and Al,
Do you know how many degrees of aileron movement you have from neutral
each
way? I'm only getting 11 or 12 degrees and I don't see where I could
gain
anymore with out changing the geometry. One section in the manual shows
the
aileron being adjusted from neutral, up 5-1/4" at the trailing edge.
With
11
degrees I only get about 3" at best. Also, when I move the stick I
don't
feel any slack anywhere, but if I grab an aileron and move it up and
down
quickly, I feel a bunch of slack coming from somewhere. I don't know if
it's
from the flap mechanism moving or what.
Wayne,
Since you put more of these together than any one, could you tell me
how
many threads should show on the hiem joints after they are adjusted?
Thanks
all, Mike Betti 771E
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

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Mike Betti

Elite aileron settings

Post by Mike Betti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

Wayne, thanks for the info.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Mike...checked the "fleet". The Elite has 3 washers under left and 4 under
right stick stop. One rebel has 4 under each side and mine has 5 washers
under each side.

As for that push pull tube between the torque tube horn and the aileron
horn. The Elite is WAY longer than spec at 8 1/4". Me thinks I'll be
having
a good look at the "throws" before she flies out of here. Howards is 6
5/8"
(center of rod end to center of rod end) and mine are 6 1/8"

As for the "equalizer" as you call it...tubes should not be bottoming on
it.
Space them out further with longer bolts and more washers if you need to.

Front or rear..can't remember!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Thanks Al,
I don't get what you mean about the rivets in the way. What I see is just
inboard of the sticks I needed to grind out and was able to pickup a few
degrees, down to about 6 washers under stops. If I go any more I run into
clearance problems at the equalizer mounted to the flap arm behind the
pilot. The pushrod ends behind the pilot bottom out on the equalizer
itself.
I noticed that maybe I don't have those two pushrods that go up the the
torque tubes behind the pilot adjusted right. I need to get the angles to
match as shown in the manual. Right now the two arms on the torque tubes
are
even with each other in nuetral. Kind of a hard one to measure the
angles.
Anyone know about how far apart the two levers up on the roof are from
each
other in nuetral? Also is the longer pushrod (1/4" longer) in the front
or
rear?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

The mixer is up when the flaps are retracted. I used a piece of 1 1/2"
x
1/4" scrap in the mixer guide slot to hold it in the up position when I
was
rigging everything. I have own design electric flaps, with no Teleflex
cable, so no sloppiness problems. The mixer is actuated by a pushrod
direct
from the flap torque tube, which in my case is located aft of the
aileron
torque tube.

I agress with Wayne; the outboard ends of the control column (where the
1/2"
wide rings are located) required quite a bit of grinding to get enough
movement. So locate the rivets at 45* from the verical/horizontal, or
you'll wind up grinding the rivets away.

On the little pushrod from the control column to the forward aileron
bellcrank, I used (per Ralph Baker's suggestion) the ACS rotating
coupling
to allow unimpeded movement of the column in the up/down direction.
The
Murphy way of allowing one of the coupling's threads to rotate seemed
dubious. Back in the UK, the Morris Minor lower steering bearings were
like
that, and the old ones used to wind up with a retracting gear!

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "KEITH OLIVER" <kb_oliver@verizon.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: Elite aileron settings

story
obtained
pushes
on used
missing
40 surfaces
and
each
gain
the
With
11
don't
down
it's
how
Thanks
to
good
to
be
"rack"
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Wayne G. O'Shea

Elite aileron settings

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

I'll check the "1/4" difference" tomorrow... if I remember... when I go into
the hangar to turn the compressor on.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Wayne, thanks for the info.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Mike...checked the "fleet". The Elite has 3 washers under left and 4
under
right stick stop. One rebel has 4 under each side and mine has 5 washers
under each side.

As for that push pull tube between the torque tube horn and the aileron
horn. The Elite is WAY longer than spec at 8 1/4". Me thinks I'll be
having
a good look at the "throws" before she flies out of here. Howards is 6
5/8"
(center of rod end to center of rod end) and mine are 6 1/8"

As for the "equalizer" as you call it...tubes should not be bottoming on
it.
Space them out further with longer bolts and more washers if you need
to.
Front or rear..can't remember!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Thanks Al,
I don't get what you mean about the rivets in the way. What I see is
just
inboard of the sticks I needed to grind out and was able to pickup a
few
degrees, down to about 6 washers under stops. If I go any more I run
into
clearance problems at the equalizer mounted to the flap arm behind the
pilot. The pushrod ends behind the pilot bottom out on the equalizer
itself.
I noticed that maybe I don't have those two pushrods that go up the the
torque tubes behind the pilot adjusted right. I need to get the angles
to
match as shown in the manual. Right now the two arms on the torque
tubes
are
even with each other in nuetral. Kind of a hard one to measure the
angles.
Anyone know about how far apart the two levers up on the roof are from
each
other in nuetral? Also is the longer pushrod (1/4" longer) in the front
or
rear?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

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aileron
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enough
or
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missing
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gain
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how
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it
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to
of
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to
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Jesse Jenks

Elite aileron settings

Post by Jesse Jenks » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:45 pm

Thanks Al,
A pic would be great to have in the archives if you have time. I've been
looking at your other control pics a bunch. Thanks for those.
Jesse
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:16:24 -0500

It's the "Rod end swivel bearing", P/N 05-01021, tucked away at the bottom
of p. 137 in the 05-06 catalog. It just need turned down a little to slip
inside the 3/4" pushrod tubing (it's 3/4" in diameter itself). There's
lots
of meat to do this. I Have a pic. of this if that's of interest.

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings

Al,
A quick look through the bearings section of the Spruce catalog and I
don't
see the rotating coupling you're talking about. Can you give me a
vector?
It
sounds like a good thing.
Thanks.
Jesse
From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Elite aileron settings
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:21:29 -0500

The mixer is up when the flaps are retracted. I used a piece of 1 1/2"
x
1/4" scrap in the mixer guide slot to hold it in the up position when I
was
rigging everything. I have own design electric flaps, with no Teleflex
cable, so no sloppiness problems. The mixer is actuated by a pushrod
direct
from the flap torque tube, which in my case is located aft of the
aileron
torque tube.

I agress with Wayne; the outboard ends of the control column (where the
1/2"
wide rings are located) required quite a bit of grinding to get enough
movement. So locate the rivets at 45* from the verical/horizontal, or
you'll wind up grinding the rivets away.

On the little pushrod from the control column to the forward aileron
bellcrank, I used (per Ralph Baker's suggestion) the ACS rotating
coupling
to allow unimpeded movement of the column in the up/down direction.
The
Murphy way of allowing one of the coupling's threads to rotate seemed
dubious. Back in the UK, the Morris Minor lower steering bearings were
like
that, and the old ones used to wind up with a retracting gear!

Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "KEITH OLIVER" <kb_oliver@verizon.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: RE: Elite aileron settings

the
story
obtained
arm
pushes
on needs
are
used
missing
40
Of
Mike degrees surfaces
surface
of
than
5,
and
neutral
each gain
shows
the With
11
don't
down
if
it's
how
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to
it
good
ailerons,
seems
to
be
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"rack"
to
get
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