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Wayne G. O'Shea

Salt in wound!

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

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Bob, Don't you just love people that remind you that you don't have the time
to go flying on a beautiful day!! My buddies around here do low and overs (3
feet off of our field) to show me they are out flying while I'm lying under
a UTVA in the tie down area, trying to figure out how to lift the 224lb tail
to change the tail wheel tube. (5 fly bye's today alone!) They never seem to
land and see if they could help either!!!!!! (hey, maybe they are not my
buddies!) No insult intended to you Brian, glad to hear someone has the time
to have fun with their Rebel!!! Hope you were a good distance from Pearson,
up at 9000 feet! Wake turbulence Sucks!

Blue skies,
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: rebelair <rebelair@idirect.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Saturday, April 29, 2000 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: amphib hydraulic gear pump

Hi Bob

I just wanted to rephrase my comment. Your Rebels did not look like they
needed to go flying, they looked just fine. I think they wanted to go
flying. No insult intended. Sorry about that.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 2:36 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: Re: amphib hydraulic gear pump



Ken,
No problem lowering the handle - when you hit full down (or up),
just switch the gear position valve to the middle & it releases pressure.
Only saw one Rebel with 'pull up' handle - this strikes me as REALLY
awkward ! It is much easier to push down. The force required is not
great - not as much as required to pull Cessna flaps down (for those
who remember the mechanical flaps), or Super Cub flaps. About 16 strokes
are needed, and must be slow, to allow fluid time to enter. (** NOTE
that Murphy use Automatic Transmission Fluid rather than brake fluid -
it does the same job, but doesn't destroy paint if spilled/leaked.**)
My reservoir is on the firewall, passenger side - just a quart can
with mods for sight guage and fittings.

Another thought is to have an extensible handle - mine has an
inner and outer tube. The outer tube is free to slide forward, increasing
the leverage, then slide back to get it more out of the way. This could
be improved with pins in slots to allow twist-locking in either position.
A carved oak (or similar) grip would be nice too ...

I would be more inclined to try to run the hoses above the floor,
down the center, on either side of the pulleys. They will be easier to get
at for service, and to remove for changeover to wheels/skis in winter.
They will hide nicely under lightweight carpet ... Ask me to open
up FOKM before the next meeting, so you can check it out (not that it
might be a shining example, but good for some ideas :-) )

....bobp

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At 10:20 AM 4/29/00 -0400, you wrote:
Hi

Does the "push down on the handle for pressure" pump installation create a
problem for stowing the pump handle when the gear reaches the full down or
full
up position? Or can the handle be forced down into the stowed position? My
pump
handle will be forward of the seat backs so having it stuck in the up
position
would not be acceptable.

The pump exploded diagram acutually shows the handle reversed to a "pull
up
on
the handle for pressure" situation. In that case the handle could always
easily
be returned to the full down stowed position. Ergonomically this might be
more
awkward to pull up on the handle if the pump requires a lot of force
though. How
much effort (force) does the handle actually require?

I am trying to plan for an underfloor hydraulic line to the reservoir. And
for
the pump handle to not conflict with the placement of the forward elevator
cable
pulley.

thanks
Ken

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Salt in wound!

Post by rebelair » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

Hi Wayne

I will have to find your field so I can add your strip to my 'low & over'
list. You probably have not seen my Rebel yet so I will give you a few
seconds to look at it!

Best Regards

Brian #328R

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea [mailto:oifa@irishfield.on.ca]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 10:18 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: Salt in wound!


Bob, Don't you just love people that remind you that you don't have the time
to go flying on a beautiful day!! My buddies around here do low and overs (3
feet off of our field) to show me they are out flying while I'm lying under
a UTVA in the tie down area, trying to figure out how to lift the 224lb tail
to change the tail wheel tube. (5 fly bye's today alone!) They never seem to
land and see if they could help either!!!!!! (hey, maybe they are not my
buddies!) No insult intended to you Brian, glad to hear someone has the time
to have fun with their Rebel!!! Hope you were a good distance from Pearson,
up at 9000 feet! Wake turbulence Sucks!

Blue skies,
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: rebelair <rebelair@idirect.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Saturday, April 29, 2000 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: amphib hydraulic gear pump

Hi Bob

I just wanted to rephrase my comment. Your Rebels did not look like they
needed to go flying, they looked just fine. I think they wanted to go
flying. No insult intended. Sorry about that.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 2:36 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: Re: amphib hydraulic gear pump



Ken,
No problem lowering the handle - when you hit full down (or up),
just switch the gear position valve to the middle & it releases pressure.
Only saw one Rebel with 'pull up' handle - this strikes me as REALLY
awkward ! It is much easier to push down. The force required is not
great - not as much as required to pull Cessna flaps down (for those
who remember the mechanical flaps), or Super Cub flaps. About 16 strokes
are needed, and must be slow, to allow fluid time to enter. (** NOTE
that Murphy use Automatic Transmission Fluid rather than brake fluid -
it does the same job, but doesn't destroy paint if spilled/leaked.**)
My reservoir is on the firewall, passenger side - just a quart can
with mods for sight guage and fittings.

Another thought is to have an extensible handle - mine has an
inner and outer tube. The outer tube is free to slide forward, increasing
the leverage, then slide back to get it more out of the way. This could
be improved with pins in slots to allow twist-locking in either position.
A carved oak (or similar) grip would be nice too ...

I would be more inclined to try to run the hoses above the floor,
down the center, on either side of the pulleys. They will be easier to get
at for service, and to remove for changeover to wheels/skis in winter.
They will hide nicely under lightweight carpet ... Ask me to open
up FOKM before the next meeting, so you can check it out (not that it
might be a shining example, but good for some ideas :-) )

....bobp

------------------------------orig.---------------------------------------
At 10:20 AM 4/29/00 -0400, you wrote:
Hi

Does the "push down on the handle for pressure" pump installation create a
problem for stowing the pump handle when the gear reaches the full down or
full
up position? Or can the handle be forced down into the stowed position? My
pump
handle will be forward of the seat backs so having it stuck in the up
position
would not be acceptable.

The pump exploded diagram acutually shows the handle reversed to a "pull
up
on
the handle for pressure" situation. In that case the handle could always
easily
be returned to the full down stowed position. Ergonomically this might be
more
awkward to pull up on the handle if the pump requires a lot of force
though. How
much effort (force) does the handle actually require?

I am trying to plan for an underfloor hydraulic line to the reservoir. And
for
the pump handle to not conflict with the placement of the forward elevator
cable
pulley.

thanks
Ken

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Wayne G. O'Shea

Salt in wound!

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

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Brian,

Let me know when you are coming, so I can have my paint ball gun
ready!!!!!!! Or are you going to land and show me you are one of my
buddies!?!?!? N44-47-906 W79-53-434 (the degree symbol in the 351 radial
off of the Midland VOR, on a Toronto chart)

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: rebelair <rebelair@idirect.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 11:09 AM
Subject: RE: Salt in wound!

Hi Wayne

I will have to find your field so I can add your strip to my 'low & over'
list. You probably have not seen my Rebel yet so I will give you a few
seconds to look at it!

Best Regards

Brian #328R

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea [mailto:oifa@irishfield.on.ca]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 10:18 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: Salt in wound!


Bob, Don't you just love people that remind you that you don't have the
time
to go flying on a beautiful day!! My buddies around here do low and overs
(3
feet off of our field) to show me they are out flying while I'm lying under
a UTVA in the tie down area, trying to figure out how to lift the 224lb
tail
to change the tail wheel tube. (5 fly bye's today alone!) They never seem
to
land and see if they could help either!!!!!! (hey, maybe they are not my
buddies!) No insult intended to you Brian, glad to hear someone has the
time
to have fun with their Rebel!!! Hope you were a good distance from Pearson,
up at 9000 feet! Wake turbulence Sucks!

Blue skies,
Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: rebelair <rebelair@idirect.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Saturday, April 29, 2000 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: amphib hydraulic gear pump

Hi Bob

I just wanted to rephrase my comment. Your Rebels did not look like they
needed to go flying, they looked just fine. I think they wanted to go
flying. No insult intended. Sorry about that.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 2:36 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: Re: amphib hydraulic gear pump



Ken,
No problem lowering the handle - when you hit full down (or up),
just switch the gear position valve to the middle & it releases pressure.
Only saw one Rebel with 'pull up' handle - this strikes me as REALLY
awkward ! It is much easier to push down. The force required is not
great - not as much as required to pull Cessna flaps down (for those
who remember the mechanical flaps), or Super Cub flaps. About 16 strokes
are needed, and must be slow, to allow fluid time to enter. (** NOTE
that Murphy use Automatic Transmission Fluid rather than brake fluid -
it does the same job, but doesn't destroy paint if spilled/leaked.**)
My reservoir is on the firewall, passenger side - just a quart can
with mods for sight guage and fittings.

Another thought is to have an extensible handle - mine has an
inner and outer tube. The outer tube is free to slide forward, increasing
the leverage, then slide back to get it more out of the way. This could
be improved with pins in slots to allow twist-locking in either position.
A carved oak (or similar) grip would be nice too ...

I would be more inclined to try to run the hoses above the floor,
down the center, on either side of the pulleys. They will be easier to get
at for service, and to remove for changeover to wheels/skis in winter.
They will hide nicely under lightweight carpet ... Ask me to open
up FOKM before the next meeting, so you can check it out (not that it
might be a shining example, but good for some ideas :-) )

....bobp

------------------------------orig.---------------------------------------
At 10:20 AM 4/29/00 -0400, you wrote:
Hi

Does the "push down on the handle for pressure" pump installation create
a
problem for stowing the pump handle when the gear reaches the full down
or
full
up position? Or can the handle be forced down into the stowed position?
My
pump
handle will be forward of the seat backs so having it stuck in the up
position
would not be acceptable.

The pump exploded diagram acutually shows the handle reversed to a "pull
up
on
the handle for pressure" situation. In that case the handle could always
easily
be returned to the full down stowed position. Ergonomically this might be
more
awkward to pull up on the handle if the pump requires a lot of force
though. How
much effort (force) does the handle actually require?

I am trying to plan for an underfloor hydraulic line to the reservoir.
And
for
the pump handle to not conflict with the placement of the forward
elevator
cable
pulley.

thanks
Ken

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