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Del Schmucker
Mother Lode
Just wondering if any knows the story on the crash?????
Transport Canada has a safety float flying seminar here in Dryden at our
flying club annually. Usually this "Mother Lode" video comes up in the
discussion. They have also used it in a Pilot Decision Making seminar here
as well. They always show us the original unedited version of the crash.
Transport Canada has repeatedly given us the following story how this
happened.
During the shooting of the movie a well-experienced mountain/bush pilot was
hired to fly the Beaver. They had already shot quite a bit of video, however
when it came to the landing shot in this particular lake, the pilot was
asked to fly the and land it as you see it in the video. He being a
experienced bush pilot had concerns about landing where they were asking him
to, something about wind currents being wrong. He wanted to land approx
150-200 meters further back. This of course would have changed all the
angles, view and dynamics of the shot. The director refused to allow it to
be moved and insisted that pilot go as planned. The pilot refused to fly the
Beaver as he was concerned about the safety of the doing this and walked off
of the set. The director quite angry of course was receptive to another
pilot that was on set. The pilot had 10,000 plus hours flying and indicated
that if it had a yoke/stick and throttle he could fly it. He had never
flown in the mountains, did not have a float rating, (I did hear another
instructor say that he had very low float time ie. Less than 15 hrs.) did
not have a Canadian license(was from the U.S.), and had never flown a
Beaver. I was surprised that the actor actually rode with him but he did.
This was the first, and only, landing by the "replacement pilot". Luckily
no one was injured (physically) but certainly some bent metal. You hear
lots of swearing and cussing on the tape. By the time Transport arrived on
the scene the pilot had already vacated the country needless to say they are
just waiting for him to set his foot in Canada.
Lessons learned:
Do not fly outside your envelope of experience without proper training.
Do not fly in an environment that put your passengers, yourself and the
airplane in jeopardy.
Do not let yourself be pressured by your employer, friends, fame etc. to fly
in an unsafe situation.
..........etc etc............
Lots of good lessons to be learned here.
Thank You,
Del Schmucker
Information Systems Manager
Keewatin-Patricia District School Board
807-223-1254
807-221-8769 Cell
del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
www.kpdsb.on.ca
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Transport Canada has a safety float flying seminar here in Dryden at our
flying club annually. Usually this "Mother Lode" video comes up in the
discussion. They have also used it in a Pilot Decision Making seminar here
as well. They always show us the original unedited version of the crash.
Transport Canada has repeatedly given us the following story how this
happened.
During the shooting of the movie a well-experienced mountain/bush pilot was
hired to fly the Beaver. They had already shot quite a bit of video, however
when it came to the landing shot in this particular lake, the pilot was
asked to fly the and land it as you see it in the video. He being a
experienced bush pilot had concerns about landing where they were asking him
to, something about wind currents being wrong. He wanted to land approx
150-200 meters further back. This of course would have changed all the
angles, view and dynamics of the shot. The director refused to allow it to
be moved and insisted that pilot go as planned. The pilot refused to fly the
Beaver as he was concerned about the safety of the doing this and walked off
of the set. The director quite angry of course was receptive to another
pilot that was on set. The pilot had 10,000 plus hours flying and indicated
that if it had a yoke/stick and throttle he could fly it. He had never
flown in the mountains, did not have a float rating, (I did hear another
instructor say that he had very low float time ie. Less than 15 hrs.) did
not have a Canadian license(was from the U.S.), and had never flown a
Beaver. I was surprised that the actor actually rode with him but he did.
This was the first, and only, landing by the "replacement pilot". Luckily
no one was injured (physically) but certainly some bent metal. You hear
lots of swearing and cussing on the tape. By the time Transport arrived on
the scene the pilot had already vacated the country needless to say they are
just waiting for him to set his foot in Canada.
Lessons learned:
Do not fly outside your envelope of experience without proper training.
Do not fly in an environment that put your passengers, yourself and the
airplane in jeopardy.
Do not let yourself be pressured by your employer, friends, fame etc. to fly
in an unsafe situation.
..........etc etc............
Lots of good lessons to be learned here.
Thank You,
Del Schmucker
Information Systems Manager
Keewatin-Patricia District School Board
807-223-1254
807-221-8769 Cell
del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
www.kpdsb.on.ca
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Dave Ricker
Mother Lode
Walter
What happens is that someone else has made a bid greater than the previous one
but with a hidden "clause" that automatically ups their bid until a ceiling is
reached. So this other bidder says they will pay up to X amount but only raises
their offer if it has been beaten by a competing bid.
This means that if you bid 10.51 the other bid automatically outbids you at
10.52 until you reach their ceiling then your bid takes over. Rather convoluted
and not really transparent but it works that way.
Clear as mud???
Cheers,
Dave
Walter Klatt wrote:
David A. Ricker
Fall River, Nova Scotia
Canada
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What happens is that someone else has made a bid greater than the previous one
but with a hidden "clause" that automatically ups their bid until a ceiling is
reached. So this other bidder says they will pay up to X amount but only raises
their offer if it has been beaten by a competing bid.
This means that if you bid 10.51 the other bid automatically outbids you at
10.52 until you reach their ceiling then your bid takes over. Rather convoluted
and not really transparent but it works that way.
Clear as mud???
Cheers,
Dave
Walter Klatt wrote:
--Thanks, but first I have to get a hold of the VHS version. I have movie
software (Pinnacle Studio) and a DVD burner on my computer, so may be able
to do it myself as well. I am not sure if my capture card is good enough,
though (ATI All in Wonder Radeon).
I am not sure how this ebay bidding works. As soon as I put in my bid @
10.49 US, a higher bid came in at 10.50 US. Then it's asking me to bid 50
cents higher??? I think I may hold off until closer to expiry which is
tomorrow.
Walter
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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:41 PM
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Walter if you want I have a machine to make copies of VHS to DVD if you want
any made. It's a free service if you want. Dale SR-033
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Fall River, Nova Scotia
Canada
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Walter Klatt
Mother Lode
Sounds like a good story, but I find it hard to believe that a 10,000 hour
pilot would be dumb enough to try and land a floatplane that he has no
experience on, in a place like this. It's not just the landing, you first
have to fly and maneuver it into a very tight hole with one entrance to go
in, and get out. And after the experienced guy refused, too. But stranger
things have happened, I guess. Here is a link to show what this area is
like.
http://bcmc.ca/members/ViewReport.asp?r ... ip&RepId=9
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Del
Schmucker
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:04 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Mother Lode
Just wondering if any knows the story on the crash?????
Transport Canada has a safety float flying seminar here in Dryden at our
flying club annually. Usually this "Mother Lode" video comes up in the
discussion. They have also used it in a Pilot Decision Making seminar here
as well. They always show us the original unedited version of the crash.
Transport Canada has repeatedly given us the following story how this
happened.
During the shooting of the movie a well-experienced mountain/bush pilot was
hired to fly the Beaver. They had already shot quite a bit of video, however
when it came to the landing shot in this particular lake, the pilot was
asked to fly the and land it as you see it in the video. He being a
experienced bush pilot had concerns about landing where they were asking him
to, something about wind currents being wrong. He wanted to land approx
150-200 meters further back. This of course would have changed all the
angles, view and dynamics of the shot. The director refused to allow it to
be moved and insisted that pilot go as planned. The pilot refused to fly the
Beaver as he was concerned about the safety of the doing this and walked off
of the set. The director quite angry of course was receptive to another
pilot that was on set. The pilot had 10,000 plus hours flying and indicated
that if it had a yoke/stick and throttle he could fly it. He had never
flown in the mountains, did not have a float rating, (I did hear another
instructor say that he had very low float time ie. Less than 15 hrs.) did
not have a Canadian license(was from the U.S.), and had never flown a
Beaver. I was surprised that the actor actually rode with him but he did.
This was the first, and only, landing by the "replacement pilot". Luckily
no one was injured (physically) but certainly some bent metal. You hear
lots of swearing and cussing on the tape. By the time Transport arrived on
the scene the pilot had already vacated the country needless to say they are
just waiting for him to set his foot in Canada.
Lessons learned:
Do not fly outside your envelope of experience without proper training.
Do not fly in an environment that put your passengers, yourself and the
airplane in jeopardy.
Do not let yourself be pressured by your employer, friends, fame etc. to fly
in an unsafe situation.
..........etc etc............
Lots of good lessons to be learned here.
Thank You,
Del Schmucker
Information Systems Manager
Keewatin-Patricia District School Board
807-223-1254
807-221-8769 Cell
del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
www.kpdsb.on.ca
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pilot would be dumb enough to try and land a floatplane that he has no
experience on, in a place like this. It's not just the landing, you first
have to fly and maneuver it into a very tight hole with one entrance to go
in, and get out. And after the experienced guy refused, too. But stranger
things have happened, I guess. Here is a link to show what this area is
like.
http://bcmc.ca/members/ViewReport.asp?r ... ip&RepId=9
Walter
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Del
Schmucker
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:04 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Mother Lode
Just wondering if any knows the story on the crash?????
Transport Canada has a safety float flying seminar here in Dryden at our
flying club annually. Usually this "Mother Lode" video comes up in the
discussion. They have also used it in a Pilot Decision Making seminar here
as well. They always show us the original unedited version of the crash.
Transport Canada has repeatedly given us the following story how this
happened.
During the shooting of the movie a well-experienced mountain/bush pilot was
hired to fly the Beaver. They had already shot quite a bit of video, however
when it came to the landing shot in this particular lake, the pilot was
asked to fly the and land it as you see it in the video. He being a
experienced bush pilot had concerns about landing where they were asking him
to, something about wind currents being wrong. He wanted to land approx
150-200 meters further back. This of course would have changed all the
angles, view and dynamics of the shot. The director refused to allow it to
be moved and insisted that pilot go as planned. The pilot refused to fly the
Beaver as he was concerned about the safety of the doing this and walked off
of the set. The director quite angry of course was receptive to another
pilot that was on set. The pilot had 10,000 plus hours flying and indicated
that if it had a yoke/stick and throttle he could fly it. He had never
flown in the mountains, did not have a float rating, (I did hear another
instructor say that he had very low float time ie. Less than 15 hrs.) did
not have a Canadian license(was from the U.S.), and had never flown a
Beaver. I was surprised that the actor actually rode with him but he did.
This was the first, and only, landing by the "replacement pilot". Luckily
no one was injured (physically) but certainly some bent metal. You hear
lots of swearing and cussing on the tape. By the time Transport arrived on
the scene the pilot had already vacated the country needless to say they are
just waiting for him to set his foot in Canada.
Lessons learned:
Do not fly outside your envelope of experience without proper training.
Do not fly in an environment that put your passengers, yourself and the
airplane in jeopardy.
Do not let yourself be pressured by your employer, friends, fame etc. to fly
in an unsafe situation.
..........etc etc............
Lots of good lessons to be learned here.
Thank You,
Del Schmucker
Information Systems Manager
Keewatin-Patricia District School Board
807-223-1254
807-221-8769 Cell
del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
www.kpdsb.on.ca
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N.Smith
Mother Lode
Hi All
A mate of mine who claims to know about these things say's copies made of a
regioned DVD using most of the copy programs available will work on any DVD
as the region encoding is removed.
If that is the case, if anyone wants a DVD copy of this can they let me know
off list and I'll get on it when mine arrives.
Nig
745E
admin@airnig.co.uk
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Sent: 11 January 2006 08:30
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Mother Lode
Hi All
OK...I know I should be using my time more constructively like perhaps
building the wings, but I've tracked down a DVD copy of this for
A mate of mine who claims to know about these things say's copies made of a
regioned DVD using most of the copy programs available will work on any DVD
as the region encoding is removed.
If that is the case, if anyone wants a DVD copy of this can they let me know
off list and I'll get on it when mine arrives.
Nig
745E
admin@airnig.co.uk
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Sent: 11 January 2006 08:30
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Mother Lode
Hi All
OK...I know I should be using my time more constructively like perhaps
building the wings, but I've tracked down a DVD copy of this for
