Elite: rudder pedals/stick

[Bob Patterson]

I'll measure mine next time I'm up there. From memory, it's about
a foot and a half at the top of the stick ... You won't need the same
angles with the Elite, though - totally different elevator -- larger,
and the whole tail is different.

Ideally, you want the stick positioned so that, in cruise, you
can rest your forearm on your leg comfortably. In flight, you will
never move the stick more than 1/2" fore-and-aft, normally, and maybe
an inch or two left & right... if you touch the stick at all ! ;-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 02 January 2006 10:30 pm, Mike Betti wrote:

That brings me to one of my questions, how much stick movement is there

from

fore to aft on a Rebel? I think there is way too much stick movement on

the

Elite and I am curious how it differs from the Rebel. If I kept with the
stock stick and put in 27/20 degrees, my arm would not have enough throw

to

move it from one end to the other.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: rudder pedals/stick

I'll second that ! Also could put more load on the horns -
spoils your whole day when they bend or tear off !! That is one
reason I don't like the idea of running a cable forward & around
a pully for up elevator - all the loads are on one horn, and
they alternate with movement - sounds like a recipe for metal
fatigue !!

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 02 January 2006 05:36 pm, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

It will also make your elevator movement more sensitive..since for any

given

movement of the stick for/aft the elevator will have more movement. Not

sure

how great a thing this will be on the Elite considering the reports
appear
it is pitch sensitive to start with.

Wayne

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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: rudder pedals/stick

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

IF< I get time tomorrow....I can measure a Rebel with pre desensitized

controls...one post desensitized and an Elite for stick movement.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

I'll measure mine next time I'm up there. From memory, it's about
a foot and a half at the top of the stick ... You won't need the same
angles with the Elite, though - totally different elevator -- larger,
and the whole tail is different.

Ideally, you want the stick positioned so that, in cruise, you
can rest your forearm on your leg comfortably. In flight, you will
never move the stick more than 1/2" fore-and-aft, normally, and maybe
an inch or two left & right... if you touch the stick at all ! ;-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 02 January 2006 10:30 pm, Mike Betti wrote:

That brings me to one of my questions, how much stick movement is there

from

fore to aft on a Rebel? I think there is way too much stick movement on

the

Elite and I am curious how it differs from the Rebel. If I kept with the
stock stick and put in 27/20 degrees, my arm would not have enough throw

to

move it from one end to the other.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: rudder pedals/stick

I'll second that ! Also could put more load on the horns -
spoils your whole day when they bend or tear off !! That is one
reason I don't like the idea of running a cable forward & around
a pully for up elevator - all the loads are on one horn, and
they alternate with movement - sounds like a recipe for metal
fatigue !!

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 02 January 2006 05:36 pm, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

any

given

Not

sure

on

the

could

then

add

for

out

of

bolted

vertically.

I

better

off

my

the

really

some

curious,

measuring rudder

forward

through

a

wraps.

ambitious !

E-controls.

much

cylinders

to

beef

frustrating

build

cylinder

move

fore

to

the mount /

mount

brake

in

considering

on

This

easier

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[Mike Betti]

If you get a chance someday that would be great. I will take all the feed
back I can get.
Mike Betti
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

IF< I get time tomorrow....I can measure a Rebel with pre desensitized

controls...one post desensitized and an Elite for stick movement.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

I'll measure mine next time I'm up there. From memory, it's about
a foot and a half at the top of the stick ... You won't need the same
angles with the Elite, though - totally different elevator -- larger,
and the whole tail is different.

Ideally, you want the stick positioned so that, in cruise, you
can rest your forearm on your leg comfortably. In flight, you will
never move the stick more than 1/2" fore-and-aft, normally, and maybe
an inch or two left & right... if you touch the stick at all ! ;-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 02 January 2006 10:30 pm, Mike Betti wrote:

That brings me to one of my questions, how much stick movement is there

from

fore to aft on a Rebel? I think there is way too much stick movement on

the

Elite and I am curious how it differs from the Rebel. If I kept with
the
stock stick and put in 27/20 degrees, my arm would not have enough
throw

to

move it from one end to the other.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: rudder pedals/stick

any

Not

on

could

then

for

out

of

vertically.

I

better

off

the

really

some

curious,

forward

through

a

ambitious !

much

cylinders

to

frustrating

cylinder

move

to

mount

brake

in

on

This

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[Mike Betti]

Thanks Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

I'll measure mine next time I'm up there. From memory, it's about
a foot and a half at the top of the stick ... You won't need the same
angles with the Elite, though - totally different elevator -- larger,
and the whole tail is different.

Ideally, you want the stick positioned so that, in cruise, you
can rest your forearm on your leg comfortably. In flight, you will
never move the stick more than 1/2" fore-and-aft, normally, and maybe
an inch or two left & right... if you touch the stick at all ! ;-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 02 January 2006 10:30 pm, Mike Betti wrote:

That brings me to one of my questions, how much stick movement is there

from

fore to aft on a Rebel? I think there is way too much stick movement on

the

Elite and I am curious how it differs from the Rebel. If I kept with the
stock stick and put in 27/20 degrees, my arm would not have enough throw

to

move it from one end to the other.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: rudder pedals/stick

I'll second that ! Also could put more load on the horns -
spoils your whole day when they bend or tear off !! That is one
reason I don't like the idea of running a cable forward & around
a pully for up elevator - all the loads are on one horn, and
they alternate with movement - sounds like a recipe for metal
fatigue !!

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 02 January 2006 05:36 pm, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote: given sure

on

the

could

add

of

bolted

I

off

my

really

some

curious,

measuring rudder

forward

wraps.

ambitious !

E-controls.

cylinders

beef build fore

to

the mount /

mount

brake

in

considering

This

easier

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Didn't happen today...maybe in the morning while the shops warming
up...before I start riveting/sealing again under the hood.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

If you get a chance someday that would be great. I will take all the feed
back I can get.
Mike Betti
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

IF< I get time tomorrow....I can measure a Rebel with pre desensitized

controls...one post desensitized and an Elite for stick movement.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

I'll measure mine next time I'm up there. From memory, it's about
a foot and a half at the top of the stick ... You won't need the same
angles with the Elite, though - totally different elevator -- larger,
and the whole tail is different.

Ideally, you want the stick positioned so that, in cruise, you
can rest your forearm on your leg comfortably. In flight, you will
never move the stick more than 1/2" fore-and-aft, normally, and maybe
an inch or two left & right... if you touch the stick at all ! ;-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Monday 02 January 2006 10:30 pm, Mike Betti wrote:

there

from

on

the to

any

movement.

Not

reports

on could

then

for

be

out

of

be

vertically.

I

better

off

what

the

really

take

some curious,

be

the

forward

through

of

a

corner

ambitious !

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------

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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Mike !

Don't forget your seat bottom cushion should be at least 6 - 8 "
thick - that will raise you up a fair bit. With your arm resting on
your leg, you would be gripping a bit below the top of the stick -
a comfortable position for long flights.

Will try to get measurements when I'm up there for the
Builders Meeting.... The stick is not vertical in neutral -
think it slopes back a bit - will try to measure.

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 07:57 pm, Mike Betti wrote:

Thanks for the info. My stock stick is 16" above pivot bolt, has 5"

offset,

and would have 19" of travel to give me 10 degrees down and 25 degrees up.
Robin at MAM sound ok with the changes I want to make but I am forwarding
him some pics and dimensions first.
Bob, I really don't see getting any stick in the comfortable position you
mention here with out cutting off the stick severly. Although I can always
choke up on it when in cruise.
Bob is the stick straight up and down in nuetral?
Thanks to everyone,
Mike Betti
771E

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: rudder pedals/stick

119R has 17 inches of fore/aft stick movement. That's at the top of the
stick which is 14.5" above the left/right pivot bolt. The stick has 5"
of offset (moved firewall) and yes it is "awkward" to get full aileron
in with the stick full back. From memory that gave me about 28* up and a
bit over 20* down elevator.

I realize that the Elite is different but early on MAM redesigned the
Rebel elevator bellcrank (back in the tail) to increase stick movement
and reduce elevator sensitivity. I'll bet your arm will reach further
than you estimate if you need it too.... ;)

Ken

Mike Betti wrote:

That brings me to one of my questions, how much stick movement is there
from
fore to aft on a Rebel? I think there is way too much stick movement on
the
Elite and I am curious how it differs from the Rebel. If I kept with the
stock stick and put in 27/20 degrees, my arm would not have enough throw
to
move it from one end to the other.
Mike

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[Mike Betti]

Ok thanks,
I added 6" to seats.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:01 PM
Subject: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

Hi Mike !

Don't forget your seat bottom cushion should be at least 6 - 8 "
thick - that will raise you up a fair bit. With your arm resting on
your leg, you would be gripping a bit below the top of the stick -
a comfortable position for long flights.

Will try to get measurements when I'm up there for the
Builders Meeting.... The stick is not vertical in neutral -
think it slopes back a bit - will try to measure.

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 07:57 pm, Mike Betti wrote:

Thanks for the info. My stock stick is 16" above pivot bolt, has 5"

offset,

and would have 19" of travel to give me 10 degrees down and 25 degrees
up.
Robin at MAM sound ok with the changes I want to make but I am forwarding
him some pics and dimensions first.
Bob, I really don't see getting any stick in the comfortable position you
mention here with out cutting off the stick severly. Although I can
always
choke up on it when in cruise.
Bob is the stick straight up and down in nuetral?
Thanks to everyone,
Mike Betti
771E

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: rudder pedals/stick

119R has 17 inches of fore/aft stick movement. That's at the top of the
stick which is 14.5" above the left/right pivot bolt. The stick has 5"
of offset (moved firewall) and yes it is "awkward" to get full aileron
in with the stick full back. From memory that gave me about 28* up and
a
bit over 20* down elevator.

I realize that the Elite is different but early on MAM redesigned the
Rebel elevator bellcrank (back in the tail) to increase stick movement
and reduce elevator sensitivity. I'll bet your arm will reach further
than you estimate if you need it too.... ;)

Ken

Mike Betti wrote:

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[Alan Hepburn]

Mike:

The good news is that Mike Wiebe - who has flown my Elite and has extensive
Rebel experience - reports that the Elite handles much better in pitch at
low airspeeds (e.g. on roundout) (bet that'll get the Rebels going!). He
says the Rebel tends to run out of up elevator if you approach too slowly
(now we'll hear from the VG crowd!). I really don't find he Elite over
sensitive in pitch, but then I used to instruct aerobatics, and I have
modified the elevator. If I could figure out a way to do it, I'd gear the
system higher, so I could leave the stick longer. Making the elevator horn
a bit longer is at least a partial solution. BTW, when the Wiebes did this,
they did weld in some extra reimforcement. Another thing I will do as part
of the painting project is to raise the stab TE 1/8". As it stands, I fly
level (on floats) with about 10* up elevator, so effectively I have maybe
15* of up and 25* of down. If I can get the elevator back to neutral, maybe
I won't need as much travel. We'll see. I certainly have never needed full
down elevator, but then I haven't done a spin test...

Al





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[Walter Klatt]

Yup, I remember that very well with my Rebel back when I was on wheels. It
liked to "bounce" on landings if I didn't manage to "stall" it before the
mains touched. I had a heck of a time getting the tail down first in a 3
pointer. I had a very forward c of g on mine, and it worked much better when
I had a passenger, or some weight in the back (except the first time I took
my wife for a flight, but that is another story). In fairness to the Rebel,
I was also a new tail dragger pilot, so that didn't help.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Hepburn
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 4:58 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

Mike:

The good news is that Mike Wiebe - who has flown my Elite and has extensive
Rebel experience - reports that the Elite handles much better in pitch at
low airspeeds (e.g. on roundout) (bet that'll get the Rebels going!). He
says the Rebel tends to run out of up elevator if you approach too slowly
(now we'll hear from the VG crowd!). I really don't find he Elite over
sensitive in pitch, but then I used to instruct aerobatics, and I have
modified the elevator. If I could figure out a way to do it, I'd gear the
system higher, so I could leave the stick longer. Making the elevator horn
a bit longer is at least a partial solution. BTW, when the Wiebes did this,
they did weld in some extra reimforcement. Another thing I will do as part
of the painting project is to raise the stab TE 1/8". As it stands, I fly
level (on floats) with about 10* up elevator, so effectively I have maybe
15* of up and 25* of down. If I can get the elevator back to neutral, maybe
I won't need as much travel. We'll see. I certainly have never needed full
down elevator, but then I haven't done a spin test...

Al





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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Mike...

Elite - Sticks cut down to 13.25" above the pivot bolt (so they just make it
UNDER the panel in forward stick - 5" offset sticks - 18" of movement with
tape angled to meet the sticks head at each end of throw - stick slightly
forward in neutral elevator.

Rebel - pre desensitized controls (way I like'm) Sticks cut off a bit..but
with handle 16" long - 2" offset sticks - 15" of throw and no "jewel" crush
to get full up elevator. Stick vertical in neutral elevator

Rebel - post desensitized controls. Sticks 15" long (still don't hit panel
as original firewall position) - 5" offset - 18" of travel just like the
Elite. Stick slightly forward in elevator neutral. Jewels crushed on full up
elevator and only 2" thick upholstery. You'd be singing soprano with Bob P's
recommended seats!

With the Elite having the firewall 3 " back and of course the rudder pedals
back 3 ".... so the seating position 3 " further back (all in relation to
the carrythru).... unless you have really short legs....I don't see the
problem with your set up. Guess another option is to move the control column
back if you want to keep a long stick and not hit the panel.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

If you get a chance someday that would be great. I will take all the feed
back I can get.
Mike Betti
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

IF< I get time tomorrow....I can measure a Rebel with pre desensitized

controls...one post desensitized and an Elite for stick movement.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

I'll measure mine next time I'm up there. From memory, it's about
a foot and a half at the top of the stick ... You won't need the same
angles with the Elite, though - totally different elevator -- larger,
and the whole tail is different.

Ideally, you want the stick positioned so that, in cruise, you
can rest your forearm on your leg comfortably. In flight, you will
never move the stick more than 1/2" fore-and-aft, normally, and maybe
an inch or two left & right... if you touch the stick at all ! ;-)

.....bobp

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[Mike Betti]

Thanks Wayne for the info! I like Bob P. seats, although I stopped at 6"
thick, I know what you mean on the groin injury situation. Moving the
control column is a good idea and I think would solve most of this issue but
I don't know if I want to get that crazy yet.
Mike Betti
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

Mike...

Elite - Sticks cut down to 13.25" above the pivot bolt (so they just make
it
UNDER the panel in forward stick - 5" offset sticks - 18" of movement with
tape angled to meet the sticks head at each end of throw - stick slightly
forward in neutral elevator.

Rebel - pre desensitized controls (way I like'm) Sticks cut off a
bit..but
with handle 16" long - 2" offset sticks - 15" of throw and no "jewel"
crush
to get full up elevator. Stick vertical in neutral elevator

Rebel - post desensitized controls. Sticks 15" long (still don't hit panel
as original firewall position) - 5" offset - 18" of travel just like the
Elite. Stick slightly forward in elevator neutral. Jewels crushed on full
up
elevator and only 2" thick upholstery. You'd be singing soprano with Bob
P's
recommended seats!

With the Elite having the firewall 3 " back and of course the rudder
pedals
back 3 ".... so the seating position 3 " further back (all in relation to
the carrythru).... unless you have really short legs....I don't see the
problem with your set up. Guess another option is to move the control
column
back if you want to keep a long stick and not hit the panel.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

If you get a chance someday that would be great. I will take all the feed
back I can get.
Mike Betti
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

controls...one post desensitized and an Elite for stick movement.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

there

on

any

movement.

Not

reports

then for

be

out

be

vertically. better

what

the

take

be

the

through

of

a

corner

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------

master

much

cylinders

need

to

frustrating

cylinder

move

to

[/quote]motor

[/quote]to

mount

[/quote]lower

brake

in

[/quote]mounted

on

This

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[Ralph Baker]

Wayne,
Your last post said "tape angled to meet the sticks head at each end of the throw". Do you mean tape stuck on the panel at the point where the sticks would contact the panel at large throws fore and left / right? Seems like the sticks should be shortened so panel contact would not occur.

All this has been interesting as we have a pilot / copilot inseam disparity that may require pedal blocks for the inseam challenged to avoid stick / abdomen interference at full aft.
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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

NO just saying it makes a few inches difference if you just hold the tape
horizontal above the stick and look down to see where the stick
is.....compared to holding it on an angle that matches the fore and aft
stopping points of the handle itself. Only way to compare apples to apples
is with the tape angled to measure movement. The proper way would be with a
protractor and get an angle quadrant...but...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Baker" <rebaker@sc.rr.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

Wayne,
Your last post said "tape angled to meet the sticks head at each end of

the throw". Do you mean tape stuck on the panel at the point where the
sticks would contact the panel at large throws fore and left / right? Seems
like the sticks should be shortened so panel contact would not occur.

All this has been interesting as we have a pilot / copilot inseam

disparity that may require pedal blocks for the inseam challenged to avoid
stick / abdomen interference at full aft.

Ralph Baker



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[Mike Betti]

I recieved this from MAM today. I sent them pictures like the ones I posted
earlier showing the extensions to the control column.
Hi Mike,

I cannot see any problem with your mod but to be sure I wanted to check
with Darryl. He is hard to track down sometimes but he could not foresee any
problem with either.

Cheers, Robin



----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

Mike...

Elite - Sticks cut down to 13.25" above the pivot bolt (so they just make
it
UNDER the panel in forward stick - 5" offset sticks - 18" of movement with
tape angled to meet the sticks head at each end of throw - stick slightly
forward in neutral elevator.

Rebel - pre desensitized controls (way I like'm) Sticks cut off a
bit..but
with handle 16" long - 2" offset sticks - 15" of throw and no "jewel"
crush
to get full up elevator. Stick vertical in neutral elevator

Rebel - post desensitized controls. Sticks 15" long (still don't hit panel
as original firewall position) - 5" offset - 18" of travel just like the
Elite. Stick slightly forward in elevator neutral. Jewels crushed on full
up
elevator and only 2" thick upholstery. You'd be singing soprano with Bob
P's
recommended seats!

With the Elite having the firewall 3 " back and of course the rudder
pedals
back 3 ".... so the seating position 3 " further back (all in relation to
the carrythru).... unless you have really short legs....I don't see the
problem with your set up. Guess another option is to move the control
column
back if you want to keep a long stick and not hit the panel.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

If you get a chance someday that would be great. I will take all the feed
back I can get.
Mike Betti
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

controls...one post desensitized and an Elite for stick movement.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Elite: rudder pedals/stick

there

on

any

movement.

Not

reports

then for

be

out

be

vertically. better

what

the

take

be

the

through

of

a

corner

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------

master

much

cylinders

need

to

frustrating

cylinder

move

to

[/quote]motor

[/quote]to

mount

[/quote]lower

brake

in

[/quote]mounted

on

This

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[Dave Ricker]

LOL! "pilot / copilot inseam disparity that may require pedal blocks for the inseam challenged to avoid stick / abdomen interference"

Good one Ralph! I can relate to that description ;^0

Dave

Ralph Baker wrote:

Wayne,
Your last post said "tape angled to meet the sticks head at each end of the throw". Do you mean tape stuck on the panel at the point where the sticks would contact the panel at large throws fore and left / right? Seems like the sticks should be shortened so panel contact would not occur.

All this has been interesting as we have a pilot / copilot inseam disparity that may require pedal blocks for the inseam challenged to avoid stick / abdomen interference at full aft.
Ralph Baker

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