Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

[Bob Andrews]

I concur on the car hauler trailer ride ... smooth as glass.

Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
pequeajim@dcsol.com
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 9:07 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear


Thanks, I will check the inside dimensions.

Thanks Bob, but I have driven some cub, (or box) vans and in many cases,
they
really can't touch the softness of a good race trailer with Dexter axles. I
know this for a fact because that was my method of transporting my giant
scale competition RC aircraft to meets for several years with no damage.


On 10/27/2005 10:07 AM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> What ever you chose...on 6.00/15 x 6 tires it's 91.5" wide!
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[Bob Andrews]

Mike ... a few weeks back, I moved the 612e project from the airport to my
shop at home ... about 8 miles. I took the vertical bolt out of the tail
wheel assembly ... adding a wood spacer, bolted it to the hitch hole where
the ball bolts on. 612e towed GREAT ... thought I would be going 10-15 mph
... before I knew it, the speedometer was reading 50 mph, and the Elite was
tracking behind like it was built for towing. The roads all the way were
paved and in very good condition. Also I had a vehicle following behind the
elite with instructions to turn head lights on at any sign of problems ...
they never came on.

Bob 612e

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Mike Kimball
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:04 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear


I was contemplating towing my Super Rebel to the airport on it's own gear.
I was thinking about somehow attaching the tail to the back of the truck and
then a real slow tow in the middle of the night to the airport (about 6 or 7
miles). Since the airplane should be able to handle a 70 mph touchdown (or
smack down if I were to mess up), I imagine it can handle a 20 mph tow for 6
or 7 miles on it's own gear. Depending on distance, it's another option.
Anybody wanna sit in the back of my truck and hang onto the tail until we
get there? No droppin' it.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

All I can say is I've heard all the horror stories...and have been
trailering numerous aircraft for the last 12+ years on my open deck flat bed
trailer and I have never as much as added a dent to a wreck I've salvaged or
a new airplane on it's way to paint. My paint run is usually an hour and a
half each way. I have hauled as far as 8 hours in each direction with
customer work..and like I said (knock on wood) I have never done the
slightest bit of damage to any of numerous makes of aircraft that I have
hauled. My biggest "shipping" project would have to be the completed Rebel
that I shipped to Maui. Packed into a 20 foot marine container by removing
the prop and the rudder. Wings on floor sitting on SM with plastic and
insulation bats between the wings. It took a tractor trailer ride from
Penetang to Toronto. Then got put on a train (which would have to be the
worst in the for and aft torture) from Toronto to Vancouver and then down to
California were it was loaded onto a container ship. Dropped on the dock on
the big island and then loaded onto another boat to Maui..dropped
again..then onto a truck and hauled half way around the island. Unscathed,
bolted together and flown!...and the new owner was the proud owner of $368
worth of ratchet straps!!

As I alluded to in my first response to this..... the aircraft must be "one"
with the trailer as much as possible. I can' be bouncing after the trailer
is done bouncing. For the marine container shipment I blocked the axles
blocks so the tires were off the floor and the tail was tied up into the
corner of the container with the fin tight against the ceiling (2" SM
between it and the ceiling actually). When hauling on the trailer..ratchet
straps around the tires and down tight to take the bounce out of them + more
ratchet straps up over the wishbone so it can't bounce. Tailwheel tied down
tight and a ratchet strap up over the FUS-31 to hold it down tight. Have
never had a problem. One adavantage I have is a tri-axle trailer bridges pot
holes and road humps a tad better than single or duals...but with care and
caution and someone driving that is used to a trailer behind them...I don't
see an issue.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

Anybody know of a specific rental cube van that will fit a Rebel? I used
the largest one that U-haul had to move mine (without the engine
installed) but my memory is that it probably isn't going to be big
enough now that the engine is installed. Their measurement was tailgate
to the front of the overhang above the drivers head and useable length
was 4 or 5 feet less... It had air suspension but it seemed like it
might as well have been solid with only a thousand pounds back there.
However 350 miles with no damage (other than my nerves from the poor
condition of the truck) but as I said the engine was not installed. I
believe I roped the tail spring in 4 directions and then built a wooden
frame on the truck floor to chock the main gear fairly well in all
directions.
Ken

Bob Patterson wrote:

Hi Jim !

Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.

I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.

Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !

.......bobp

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[Ken]

OK I'll be the one to ask what you guys mean by Dexter axle?
Seems they make leaf springs, torsion bar, and air suspension axles...
www.dexteraxle.com
Ken

pequeajim@dcsol.com wrote:

Thanks, I will check the inside dimensions.

Thanks Bob, but I have driven some cub, (or box) vans and in many cases, they
really can't touch the softness of a good race trailer with Dexter axles. I
know this for a fact because that was my method of transporting my giant
scale competition RC aircraft to meets for several years with no damage.

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[C Brockway]

When I refurbished my Cessna a year ago the
thought crossed my mind to just "drive" it the 4
miles from and to the airport, less wings of
course, early on a sunday morning. Fear of
discovery by the law and ending up as news in the
Seattle media nixed the idea. A snow mobile
trailer did a fine job. The hardest part was
getting it on and off the trailer.

Mike Kimball wrote:

I was contemplating towing my Super Rebel to the airport on it's own gear.
I was thinking about somehow attaching the tail to the back of the truck and
then a real slow tow in the middle of the night to the airport (about 6 or 7
miles). Since the airplane should be able to handle a 70 mph touchdown (or
smack down if I were to mess up), I imagine it can handle a 20 mph tow for 6
or 7 miles on it's own gear. Depending on distance, it's another option.
Anybody wanna sit in the back of my truck and hang onto the tail until we
get there? No droppin' it.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

All I can say is I've heard all the horror stories...and have been
trailering numerous aircraft for the last 12+ years on my open deck flat bed
trailer and I have never as much as added a dent to a wreck I've salvaged or
a new airplane on it's way to paint. My paint run is usually an hour and a
half each way. I have hauled as far as 8 hours in each direction with
customer work..and like I said (knock on wood) I have never done the
slightest bit of damage to any of numerous makes of aircraft that I have
hauled. My biggest "shipping" project would have to be the completed Rebel
that I shipped to Maui. Packed into a 20 foot marine container by removing
the prop and the rudder. Wings on floor sitting on SM with plastic and
insulation bats between the wings. It took a tractor trailer ride from
Penetang to Toronto. Then got put on a train (which would have to be the
worst in the for and aft torture) from Toronto to Vancouver and then down to
California were it was loaded onto a container ship. Dropped on the dock on
the big island and then loaded onto another boat to Maui..dropped
again..then onto a truck and hauled half way around the island. Unscathed,
bolted together and flown!...and the new owner was the proud owner of $368
worth of ratchet straps!!

As I alluded to in my first response to this..... the aircraft must be "one"
with the trailer as much as possible. I can' be bouncing after the trailer
is done bouncing. For the marine container shipment I blocked the axles
blocks so the tires were off the floor and the tail was tied up into the
corner of the container with the fin tight against the ceiling (2" SM
between it and the ceiling actually). When hauling on the trailer..ratchet
straps around the tires and down tight to take the bounce out of them + more
ratchet straps up over the wishbone so it can't bounce. Tailwheel tied down
tight and a ratchet strap up over the FUS-31 to hold it down tight. Have
never had a problem. One adavantage I have is a tri-axle trailer bridges pot
holes and road humps a tad better than single or duals...but with care and
caution and someone driving that is used to a trailer behind them...I don't
see an issue.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

Anybody know of a specific rental cube van that will fit a Rebel? I used
the largest one that U-haul had to move mine (without the engine
installed) but my memory is that it probably isn't going to be big
enough now that the engine is installed. Their measurement was tailgate
to the front of the overhang above the drivers head and useable length
was 4 or 5 feet less... It had air suspension but it seemed like it
might as well have been solid with only a thousand pounds back there.
However 350 miles with no damage (other than my nerves from the poor
condition of the truck) but as I said the engine was not installed. I
believe I roped the tail spring in 4 directions and then built a wooden
frame on the truck floor to chock the main gear fairly well in all
directions.
Ken

Bob Patterson wrote:

Hi Jim !

Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.

I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.

Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !

.......bobp

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

A slow moving vehicle sign on the back and a beware of meat clever on the
front would have sufficed! )

I highly suggest to anyone with a Murphy not to do this!! Without the wings
on a Rebel I can hold the tail up with one finger on a 912 powered rebel and
with an O-320 two fingers to vertical and then it goes the rest of the way
on it's nose on it's own!

Before hanging your engine consider placing an object of at least 50 lbs in
the baggage area!...or you may be VERY sorry!

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "C Brockway" <cmbrockway@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

When I refurbished my Cessna a year ago the
thought crossed my mind to just "drive" it the 4
miles from and to the airport, less wings of
course, early on a sunday morning. Fear of
discovery by the law and ending up as news in the
Seattle media nixed the idea. A snow mobile
trailer did a fine job. The hardest part was
getting it on and off the trailer.

Mike Kimball wrote:

I was contemplating towing my Super Rebel to the airport on it's own

gear.

I was thinking about somehow attaching the tail to the back of the truck

and

then a real slow tow in the middle of the night to the airport (about 6

or 7

miles). Since the airplane should be able to handle a 70 mph touchdown

(or

smack down if I were to mess up), I imagine it can handle a 20 mph tow

for 6

or 7 miles on it's own gear. Depending on distance, it's another

option.

Anybody wanna sit in the back of my truck and hang onto the tail until

we

get there? No droppin' it.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Wayne

G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

All I can say is I've heard all the horror stories...and have been
trailering numerous aircraft for the last 12+ years on my open deck flat

bed

trailer and I have never as much as added a dent to a wreck I've

salvaged or

a new airplane on it's way to paint. My paint run is usually an hour and

a

half each way. I have hauled as far as 8 hours in each direction with
customer work..and like I said (knock on wood) I have never done the
slightest bit of damage to any of numerous makes of aircraft that I have
hauled. My biggest "shipping" project would have to be the completed

Rebel

that I shipped to Maui. Packed into a 20 foot marine container by

removing

the prop and the rudder. Wings on floor sitting on SM with plastic and
insulation bats between the wings. It took a tractor trailer ride from
Penetang to Toronto. Then got put on a train (which would have to be the
worst in the for and aft torture) from Toronto to Vancouver and then

down to

California were it was loaded onto a container ship. Dropped on the dock

on

the big island and then loaded onto another boat to Maui..dropped
again..then onto a truck and hauled half way around the island.

Unscathed,

bolted together and flown!...and the new owner was the proud owner of

$368

worth of ratchet straps!!

As I alluded to in my first response to this..... the aircraft must be

"one"

with the trailer as much as possible. I can' be bouncing after the

trailer

is done bouncing. For the marine container shipment I blocked the axles
blocks so the tires were off the floor and the tail was tied up into the
corner of the container with the fin tight against the ceiling (2" SM
between it and the ceiling actually). When hauling on the

trailer..ratchet

straps around the tires and down tight to take the bounce out of them +

more

ratchet straps up over the wishbone so it can't bounce. Tailwheel tied

down

tight and a ratchet strap up over the FUS-31 to hold it down tight. Have
never had a problem. One adavantage I have is a tri-axle trailer bridges

pot

holes and road humps a tad better than single or duals...but with care

and

caution and someone driving that is used to a trailer behind them...I

don't

see an issue.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

Anybody know of a specific rental cube van that will fit a Rebel? I

used

the largest one that U-haul had to move mine (without the engine
installed) but my memory is that it probably isn't going to be big
enough now that the engine is installed. Their measurement was

tailgate

to the front of the overhang above the drivers head and useable

length

was 4 or 5 feet less... It had air suspension but it seemed like it
might as well have been solid with only a thousand pounds back there.
However 350 miles with no damage (other than my nerves from the poor
condition of the truck) but as I said the engine was not installed. I
believe I roped the tail spring in 4 directions and then built a

wooden

frame on the truck floor to chock the main gear fairly well in all
directions.
Ken

Bob Patterson wrote:

through

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Of course I meant one finger on the O-320 and two on the 912...but either
way 50 to 75 lbs in the baggage area is HIGHLY recommended right up to and
post test flights!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

A slow moving vehicle sign on the back and a beware of meat clever on the
front would have sufficed! )

I highly suggest to anyone with a Murphy not to do this!! Without the

wings

on a Rebel I can hold the tail up with one finger on a 912 powered rebel

and

with an O-320 two fingers to vertical and then it goes the rest of the way
on it's nose on it's own!

Before hanging your engine consider placing an object of at least 50 lbs

in

the baggage area!...or you may be VERY sorry!

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "C Brockway" <cmbrockway@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

When I refurbished my Cessna a year ago the
thought crossed my mind to just "drive" it the 4
miles from and to the airport, less wings of
course, early on a sunday morning. Fear of
discovery by the law and ending up as news in the
Seattle media nixed the idea. A snow mobile
trailer did a fine job. The hardest part was
getting it on and off the trailer.

Mike Kimball wrote:

I was contemplating towing my Super Rebel to the airport on it's own

gear.

I was thinking about somehow attaching the tail to the back of the

truck

and

then a real slow tow in the middle of the night to the airport (about

6

or 7

miles). Since the airplane should be able to handle a 70 mph

touchdown

(or

smack down if I were to mess up), I imagine it can handle a 20 mph tow

for 6

or 7 miles on it's own gear. Depending on distance, it's another

option.

Anybody wanna sit in the back of my truck and hang onto the tail until

we

get there? No droppin' it.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Wayne

G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

All I can say is I've heard all the horror stories...and have been
trailering numerous aircraft for the last 12+ years on my open deck

flat

bed

trailer and I have never as much as added a dent to a wreck I've

salvaged or

a new airplane on it's way to paint. My paint run is usually an hour

and

a

half each way. I have hauled as far as 8 hours in each direction with
customer work..and like I said (knock on wood) I have never done the
slightest bit of damage to any of numerous makes of aircraft that I

have

hauled. My biggest "shipping" project would have to be the completed

Rebel

that I shipped to Maui. Packed into a 20 foot marine container by

removing

the prop and the rudder. Wings on floor sitting on SM with plastic and
insulation bats between the wings. It took a tractor trailer ride from
Penetang to Toronto. Then got put on a train (which would have to be

the

worst in the for and aft torture) from Toronto to Vancouver and then

down to

California were it was loaded onto a container ship. Dropped on the

dock

on

the big island and then loaded onto another boat to Maui..dropped
again..then onto a truck and hauled half way around the island.

Unscathed,

bolted together and flown!...and the new owner was the proud owner of

$368

worth of ratchet straps!!

As I alluded to in my first response to this..... the aircraft must be

"one"

with the trailer as much as possible. I can' be bouncing after the

trailer

is done bouncing. For the marine container shipment I blocked the

axles

blocks so the tires were off the floor and the tail was tied up into

the

corner of the container with the fin tight against the ceiling (2" SM
between it and the ceiling actually). When hauling on the

trailer..ratchet

straps around the tires and down tight to take the bounce out of them

+

more

ratchet straps up over the wishbone so it can't bounce. Tailwheel tied

down

tight and a ratchet strap up over the FUS-31 to hold it down tight.

Have

never had a problem. One adavantage I have is a tri-axle trailer

bridges

pot

holes and road humps a tad better than single or duals...but with care

and

caution and someone driving that is used to a trailer behind them...I

don't

see an issue.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

used

tailgate

length

it

there.

I

wooden

!!!

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[pequeajim]

THe Dexter Torflex axles is a VERY smooth riding system. I don't know all
the details, but if you look on their site, it is a bit different than a
standard torsion bar setup. I have owned both leaf spring and TorFlex
trailers and there is no comparison. The leaf spring trailer rode more like
a cargo truck where the Dexter trailer was very smooth.

If it fits, the airplane will ride very nice.


On 10/28/2005 3:54 PM, klehman@albedo.net wrote to rebel-builders:

-> OK I'll be the one to ask what you guys mean by Dexter axle?
-> Seems they make leaf springs, torsion bar, and air suspension axles...
-> www.dexteraxle.com
-> Ken
->
-> pequeajim@dcsol.com wrote:
->
-> >Thanks, I will check the inside dimensions.
-> >
-> >Thanks Bob, but I have driven some cub, (or box) vans and in many cases,
they
-> >really can't touch the softness of a good race trailer with Dexter
axles. I
-> >know this for a fact because that was my method of transporting my giant
-> >scale competition RC aircraft to meets for several years with no damage.
-> >
-> >
-> >
->
->





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[Angus McKenzie]

Ken
When you are ready to move it give me a call. I've got a 5th wheel float for
my JD 350 crawler that is 102" wide and 24'long and has beaver-tail and
ramps. We had a Pawnee on it in Aug. with no probs. Wings can go in racks on
the side or a second trip. Also I have towed the Rebel home (15 miles) with
the tail wheel tied in the back of the pick-up truck box.........Angus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

Anybody know of a specific rental cube van that will fit a Rebel? I used
the largest one that U-haul had to move mine (without the engine
installed) but my memory is that it probably isn't going to be big
enough now that the engine is installed. Their measurement was tailgate
to the front of the overhang above the drivers head and useable length
was 4 or 5 feet less... It had air suspension but it seemed like it
might as well have been solid with only a thousand pounds back there.
However 350 miles with no damage (other than my nerves from the poor
condition of the truck) but as I said the engine was not installed. I
believe I roped the tail spring in 4 directions and then built a wooden
frame on the truck floor to chock the main gear fairly well in all
directions.
Ken

Bob Patterson wrote:

Hi Jim !

Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.

I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.

Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !

.......bobp

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[Ken]

thanks Jim
I notice that Princess Auto sells a similar axle. Not sure who makes it
though.
Ken

pequeajim@dcsol.com wrote:

THe Dexter Torflex axles is a VERY smooth riding system. I don't know all
the details, but if you look on their site, it is a bit different than a
standard torsion bar setup. I have owned both leaf spring and TorFlex
trailers and there is no comparison. The leaf spring trailer rode more like
a cargo truck where the Dexter trailer was very smooth.

If it fits, the airplane will ride very nice.

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[C Brockway]

I apologize for my attempt at humor, wouldn't want
anyone to try what I suggested. In addition to
what Wayne pointed out, it would be just plain
reckless to taxi a wingless airplane down the
road. Besides, without wings, most of our
airplanes would not have fuel.

"Wayne G. O'Shea" wrote:

A slow moving vehicle sign on the back and a beware of meat clever on the
front would have sufficed! )

I highly suggest to anyone with a Murphy not to do this!! Without the wings
on a Rebel I can hold the tail up with one finger on a 912 powered rebel and
with an O-320 two fingers to vertical and then it goes the rest of the way
on it's nose on it's own!

Before hanging your engine consider placing an object of at least 50 lbs in
the baggage area!...or you may be VERY sorry!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "C Brockway" <cmbrockway@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

When I refurbished my Cessna a year ago the
thought crossed my mind to just "drive" it the 4
miles from and to the airport, less wings of
course, early on a sunday morning. Fear of
discovery by the law and ending up as news in the
Seattle media nixed the idea. A snow mobile
trailer did a fine job. The hardest part was
getting it on and off the trailer.

Mike Kimball wrote:

I was contemplating towing my Super Rebel to the airport on it's own

gear.

I was thinking about somehow attaching the tail to the back of the truck

and

then a real slow tow in the middle of the night to the airport (about 6

or 7

miles). Since the airplane should be able to handle a 70 mph touchdown

(or

smack down if I were to mess up), I imagine it can handle a 20 mph tow

for 6

or 7 miles on it's own gear. Depending on distance, it's another

option.

Anybody wanna sit in the back of my truck and hang onto the tail until

we

get there? No droppin' it.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Wayne

G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

All I can say is I've heard all the horror stories...and have been
trailering numerous aircraft for the last 12+ years on my open deck flat

bed

trailer and I have never as much as added a dent to a wreck I've

salvaged or

a new airplane on it's way to paint. My paint run is usually an hour and

a

half each way. I have hauled as far as 8 hours in each direction with
customer work..and like I said (knock on wood) I have never done the
slightest bit of damage to any of numerous makes of aircraft that I have
hauled. My biggest "shipping" project would have to be the completed

Rebel

that I shipped to Maui. Packed into a 20 foot marine container by

removing

the prop and the rudder. Wings on floor sitting on SM with plastic and
insulation bats between the wings. It took a tractor trailer ride from
Penetang to Toronto. Then got put on a train (which would have to be the
worst in the for and aft torture) from Toronto to Vancouver and then

down to

California were it was loaded onto a container ship. Dropped on the dock

on

the big island and then loaded onto another boat to Maui..dropped
again..then onto a truck and hauled half way around the island.

Unscathed,

bolted together and flown!...and the new owner was the proud owner of

$368

worth of ratchet straps!!

As I alluded to in my first response to this..... the aircraft must be

"one"

with the trailer as much as possible. I can' be bouncing after the

trailer

is done bouncing. For the marine container shipment I blocked the axles
blocks so the tires were off the floor and the tail was tied up into the
corner of the container with the fin tight against the ceiling (2" SM
between it and the ceiling actually). When hauling on the

trailer..ratchet

straps around the tires and down tight to take the bounce out of them +

more

ratchet straps up over the wishbone so it can't bounce. Tailwheel tied

down

tight and a ratchet strap up over the FUS-31 to hold it down tight. Have
never had a problem. One adavantage I have is a tri-axle trailer bridges

pot

holes and road humps a tad better than single or duals...but with care

and

caution and someone driving that is used to a trailer behind them...I

don't

see an issue.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

used

tailgate

length

wooden

through

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Oh it gets done...since lots of the pipers/taylor crafts etc have nose
tanks. I was also thinking of throwing a C150 together wingless to run the
ice on Lake Temagami with! I have a '76 fuselage on most of it's gear and
tail feathers. Just need a tired old engine and DANG ....I knew I shouldn't
have sold the cowling I had for it!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "C Brockway" <cmbrockway@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

I apologize for my attempt at humor, wouldn't want
anyone to try what I suggested. In addition to
what Wayne pointed out, it would be just plain
reckless to taxi a wingless airplane down the
road. Besides, without wings, most of our
airplanes would not have fuel.

"Wayne G. O'Shea" wrote:

A slow moving vehicle sign on the back and a beware of meat clever on

the

front would have sufficed! )

I highly suggest to anyone with a Murphy not to do this!! Without the

wings

on a Rebel I can hold the tail up with one finger on a 912 powered rebel

and

with an O-320 two fingers to vertical and then it goes the rest of the

way

on it's nose on it's own!

Before hanging your engine consider placing an object of at least 50 lbs

in

the baggage area!...or you may be VERY sorry!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "C Brockway" <cmbrockway@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

When I refurbished my Cessna a year ago the
thought crossed my mind to just "drive" it the 4
miles from and to the airport, less wings of
course, early on a sunday morning. Fear of
discovery by the law and ending up as news in the
Seattle media nixed the idea. A snow mobile
trailer did a fine job. The hardest part was
getting it on and off the trailer.

Mike Kimball wrote:

gear.

truck

and

(about 6

or 7

touchdown

(or

tow

for 6

option.

until

we

Of

Wayne

flat

bed

salvaged or

and

a

with

have

Rebel

removing

and

from

the

down to

dock

on

Unscathed,

of

$368

be

"one"

trailer

axles

the

SM

trailer..ratchet

them +

more

tied

down

Have

bridges

pot

care

and

them...I

don't

I

used

tailgate

length

it

there.

poor

installed. I

wooden

!!!

damage -

through

point

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[Jesse Jenks]

I have a friend who tried to do a taxi test on his brand new Fisher Super
Koalla with the wings off. He went over on the nose and busted a new carbon
fiber prop.
Jesse

From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:51:36 -0400

Oh it gets done...since lots of the pipers/taylor crafts etc have nose
tanks. I was also thinking of throwing a C150 together wingless to run the
ice on Lake Temagami with! I have a '76 fuselage on most of it's gear and
tail feathers. Just need a tired old engine and DANG ....I knew I shouldn't
have sold the cowling I had for it!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "C Brockway" <cmbrockway@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

I apologize for my attempt at humor, wouldn't want
anyone to try what I suggested. In addition to
what Wayne pointed out, it would be just plain
reckless to taxi a wingless airplane down the
road. Besides, without wings, most of our
airplanes would not have fuel.

"Wayne G. O'Shea" wrote:

A slow moving vehicle sign on the back and a beware of meat clever on

the

front would have sufficed! )

I highly suggest to anyone with a Murphy not to do this!! Without the

wings

on a Rebel I can hold the tail up with one finger on a 912 powered

rebel
and

with an O-320 two fingers to vertical and then it goes the rest of the

way

on it's nose on it's own!

Before hanging your engine consider placing an object of at least 50

lbs
in

the baggage area!...or you may be VERY sorry!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "C Brockway" <cmbrockway@comcast.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear

own

gear.

truck

and

(about 6

or 7

touchdown

(or

tow

for 6 option.

until

we

Of

Wayne

deck
flat

bed salvaged or

hour
and

a

with

the

I
have

completed

Rebel removing

and

from

be
the

then

down to

the
dock

on Unscathed,

of

$368

must
be

"one" trailer

axles

into
the

SM

trailer..ratchet

them +

more

tied

down

tight.
Have

bridges

pot

care

and

them...I

don't

Rebel?
I

used

big

tailgate length

like
it

there.

poor

installed. I

wooden

all

accidents
!!!

damage -

it

through

point

arrived

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