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Dave Ricker
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
We aren't at that point yet in the build but I have thought that it would be
quite handy to have a low(ish) jig like that to put the FUS on while we do
advanced assembly of it and the FWF in our home garage/shop. It would be
particularly useful if the fin were attached beause it would keep it low enough
to keep it out of the rafters (on the nose gear Elite). I was thinking it would
bolt right to the gear mount points.
On the Rebel I expect it would work as well although you'd want to protect the
(somewhat??) fragile tail gear. Just bolt the dollies on and tie the FUS down
via the dollies.
BTW, does the trailer have suspension? You'll want to think about the ride the
Rebel will get on the way and a stiffly spring trailer won't be as gentle as a
softer one. Maybe lower the tire pressures (within reason) to make the ride
better? I suspect the trailer you'll borrow is something like a race car
transporter so it'll be set up for a lot more weight than the Rebel.
Cheers,
Dave
pequeajim@dcsol.com wrote:
[quote]One of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour and
a half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6
quite handy to have a low(ish) jig like that to put the FUS on while we do
advanced assembly of it and the FWF in our home garage/shop. It would be
particularly useful if the fin were attached beause it would keep it low enough
to keep it out of the rafters (on the nose gear Elite). I was thinking it would
bolt right to the gear mount points.
On the Rebel I expect it would work as well although you'd want to protect the
(somewhat??) fragile tail gear. Just bolt the dollies on and tie the FUS down
via the dollies.
BTW, does the trailer have suspension? You'll want to think about the ride the
Rebel will get on the way and a stiffly spring trailer won't be as gentle as a
softer one. Maybe lower the tire pressures (within reason) to make the ride
better? I suspect the trailer you'll borrow is something like a race car
transporter so it'll be set up for a lot more weight than the Rebel.
Cheers,
Dave
pequeajim@dcsol.com wrote:
[quote]One of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour and
a half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6
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Wayne G. O'Shea
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
Take two pieces of 2 x 2 about 32" long and install caster wheels into the
bottoms of them by drilling a hole to match with the 1/4" or 5/16 diameter
shaft on them. About a foot up from the wheel narrow the 2 x 2 down so it
will fit between the wing lift strut fittings. Drill and install a bolt here
and roll the unit around to your hearts delight. As David has pointed
up...make sure it's not bouncing around at all in the trailer. Get enough
straps on it so it's one with the trailer and then miss as many pot holes as
you can!
Must be a pretty narrow cargo trailer. Most of them are 8 feet inside or at
least 7'6 and it should fit. I'm going to measure the Elite's stance when I
hit the hangar shortly... just to insure I'm not lying to you!
Cheers,
Wayne
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bottoms of them by drilling a hole to match with the 1/4" or 5/16 diameter
shaft on them. About a foot up from the wheel narrow the 2 x 2 down so it
will fit between the wing lift strut fittings. Drill and install a bolt here
and roll the unit around to your hearts delight. As David has pointed
up...make sure it's not bouncing around at all in the trailer. Get enough
straps on it so it's one with the trailer and then miss as many pot holes as
you can!
Must be a pretty narrow cargo trailer. Most of them are 8 feet inside or at
least 7'6 and it should fit. I'm going to measure the Elite's stance when I
hit the hangar shortly... just to insure I'm not lying to you!
Cheers,
Wayne
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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:12 AM
Subject: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
andOne of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour
outsidea half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6-8. The
guy I am buying the Rebel from tells me that the distance between the
fuseof the wheels on spring gear is more than this.
SO, I want to take the spring gear off and put the rebel on a box dolly
strapped under where the spring gear normally are. Then I can roll the
right up into the enclosed trailer.
Have any of you guys done this sort of thing?
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Bob Andrews
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
We picked up the Elite (it had been ground looped) using an 18' enclosed car
hauler trailer (www.aacnet.com/elite). You are right that the plane will
not simply roll in. The gear (w/ wheels & tires) is too wide ... and the
top of the windshield will hit the top of the cover. Your idea with the box
will most certainly work. We had to take the rudder off to get it into the
trailer length wise (you may be getting a longer then 18' trailer ... ??)
... or the Rebel may be shorter then the Elite ... ???. Anyway, we took the
axles (and wheels & tires) off the gear struts, and the plane slid in just
fine. This might be an easier solution then building a box and removing the
gear.
Bob 612e
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
pequeajim@dcsol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:12 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
One of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour and
a half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6
hauler trailer (www.aacnet.com/elite). You are right that the plane will
not simply roll in. The gear (w/ wheels & tires) is too wide ... and the
top of the windshield will hit the top of the cover. Your idea with the box
will most certainly work. We had to take the rudder off to get it into the
trailer length wise (you may be getting a longer then 18' trailer ... ??)
... or the Rebel may be shorter then the Elite ... ???. Anyway, we took the
axles (and wheels & tires) off the gear struts, and the plane slid in just
fine. This might be an easier solution then building a box and removing the
gear.
Bob 612e
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pequeajim@dcsol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:12 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
One of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour and
a half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6
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Schmucker, Del
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
If the Rebel has the spring gear can you unbolt the axles and reattach them to the inside of the spring gear. This would narrow the stance quite a lot. I don't know if the angles of the spring gear will allow just a thought.
Thank you,
Del Schmucker
Information Systems Manager
Keewatin-Patricia District School Board
807-223-1254
807-221-8769 Cell
807-223-4703 Fax
del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
www.kpdsb.on.ca
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To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
One of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour and
a half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6
Thank you,
Del Schmucker
Information Systems Manager
Keewatin-Patricia District School Board
807-223-1254
807-221-8769 Cell
807-223-4703 Fax
del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
www.kpdsb.on.ca
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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:12 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
One of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour and
a half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6
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Bob Patterson
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
Hi Jim !
Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.
I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.
Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !
.......bobp
-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Thursday 27 October 2005 12:12 am, pequeajim@dcsol.com wrote:
Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.
I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.
Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !
.......bobp
-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Thursday 27 October 2005 12:12 am, pequeajim@dcsol.com wrote:
andOne of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour
a half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6
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Wayne G. O'Shea
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
What ever you chose...on 6.00/15 x 6 tires it's 91.5" wide!
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From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
andHi Jim !
Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.
I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.
Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !
.......bobp
-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Thursday 27 October 2005 12:12 am, pequeajim@dcsol.com wrote:One of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour
a half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6
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Ken
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
Anybody know of a specific rental cube van that will fit a Rebel? I used
the largest one that U-haul had to move mine (without the engine
installed) but my memory is that it probably isn't going to be big
enough now that the engine is installed. Their measurement was tailgate
to the front of the overhang above the drivers head and useable length
was 4 or 5 feet less... It had air suspension but it seemed like it
might as well have been solid with only a thousand pounds back there.
However 350 miles with no damage (other than my nerves from the poor
condition of the truck) but as I said the engine was not installed. I
believe I roped the tail spring in 4 directions and then built a wooden
frame on the truck floor to chock the main gear fairly well in all
directions.
Ken
Bob Patterson wrote:
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the largest one that U-haul had to move mine (without the engine
installed) but my memory is that it probably isn't going to be big
enough now that the engine is installed. Their measurement was tailgate
to the front of the overhang above the drivers head and useable length
was 4 or 5 feet less... It had air suspension but it seemed like it
might as well have been solid with only a thousand pounds back there.
However 350 miles with no damage (other than my nerves from the poor
condition of the truck) but as I said the engine was not installed. I
believe I roped the tail spring in 4 directions and then built a wooden
frame on the truck floor to chock the main gear fairly well in all
directions.
Ken
Bob Patterson wrote:
Hi Jim !
Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.
I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.
Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !
.......bobp
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Wayne G. O'Shea
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
All I can say is I've heard all the horror stories...and have been
trailering numerous aircraft for the last 12+ years on my open deck flat bed
trailer and I have never as much as added a dent to a wreck I've salvaged or
a new airplane on it's way to paint. My paint run is usually an hour and a
half each way. I have hauled as far as 8 hours in each direction with
customer work..and like I said (knock on wood) I have never done the
slightest bit of damage to any of numerous makes of aircraft that I have
hauled. My biggest "shipping" project would have to be the completed Rebel
that I shipped to Maui. Packed into a 20 foot marine container by removing
the prop and the rudder. Wings on floor sitting on SM with plastic and
insulation bats between the wings. It took a tractor trailer ride from
Penetang to Toronto. Then got put on a train (which would have to be the
worst in the for and aft torture) from Toronto to Vancouver and then down to
California were it was loaded onto a container ship. Dropped on the dock on
the big island and then loaded onto another boat to Maui..dropped
again..then onto a truck and hauled half way around the island. Unscathed,
bolted together and flown!...and the new owner was the proud owner of $368
worth of ratchet straps!!
As I alluded to in my first response to this..... the aircraft must be "one"
with the trailer as much as possible. I can' be bouncing after the trailer
is done bouncing. For the marine container shipment I blocked the axles
blocks so the tires were off the floor and the tail was tied up into the
corner of the container with the fin tight against the ceiling (2" SM
between it and the ceiling actually). When hauling on the trailer..ratchet
straps around the tires and down tight to take the bounce out of them + more
ratchet straps up over the wishbone so it can't bounce. Tailwheel tied down
tight and a ratchet strap up over the FUS-31 to hold it down tight. Have
never had a problem. One adavantage I have is a tri-axle trailer bridges pot
holes and road humps a tad better than single or duals...but with care and
caution and someone driving that is used to a trailer behind them...I don't
see an issue.
Wayne
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trailering numerous aircraft for the last 12+ years on my open deck flat bed
trailer and I have never as much as added a dent to a wreck I've salvaged or
a new airplane on it's way to paint. My paint run is usually an hour and a
half each way. I have hauled as far as 8 hours in each direction with
customer work..and like I said (knock on wood) I have never done the
slightest bit of damage to any of numerous makes of aircraft that I have
hauled. My biggest "shipping" project would have to be the completed Rebel
that I shipped to Maui. Packed into a 20 foot marine container by removing
the prop and the rudder. Wings on floor sitting on SM with plastic and
insulation bats between the wings. It took a tractor trailer ride from
Penetang to Toronto. Then got put on a train (which would have to be the
worst in the for and aft torture) from Toronto to Vancouver and then down to
California were it was loaded onto a container ship. Dropped on the dock on
the big island and then loaded onto another boat to Maui..dropped
again..then onto a truck and hauled half way around the island. Unscathed,
bolted together and flown!...and the new owner was the proud owner of $368
worth of ratchet straps!!
As I alluded to in my first response to this..... the aircraft must be "one"
with the trailer as much as possible. I can' be bouncing after the trailer
is done bouncing. For the marine container shipment I blocked the axles
blocks so the tires were off the floor and the tail was tied up into the
corner of the container with the fin tight against the ceiling (2" SM
between it and the ceiling actually). When hauling on the trailer..ratchet
straps around the tires and down tight to take the bounce out of them + more
ratchet straps up over the wishbone so it can't bounce. Tailwheel tied down
tight and a ratchet strap up over the FUS-31 to hold it down tight. Have
never had a problem. One adavantage I have is a tri-axle trailer bridges pot
holes and road humps a tad better than single or duals...but with care and
caution and someone driving that is used to a trailer behind them...I don't
see an issue.
Wayne
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From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
Anybody know of a specific rental cube van that will fit a Rebel? I used
the largest one that U-haul had to move mine (without the engine
installed) but my memory is that it probably isn't going to be big
enough now that the engine is installed. Their measurement was tailgate
to the front of the overhang above the drivers head and useable length
was 4 or 5 feet less... It had air suspension but it seemed like it
might as well have been solid with only a thousand pounds back there.
However 350 miles with no damage (other than my nerves from the poor
condition of the truck) but as I said the engine was not installed. I
believe I roped the tail spring in 4 directions and then built a wooden
frame on the truck floor to chock the main gear fairly well in all
directions.
Ken
Bob Patterson wrote:
Hi Jim !
Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.
I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.
Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !
.......bobp
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Mike Kimball
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
I was contemplating towing my Super Rebel to the airport on it's own gear.
I was thinking about somehow attaching the tail to the back of the truck and
then a real slow tow in the middle of the night to the airport (about 6 or 7
miles). Since the airplane should be able to handle a 70 mph touchdown (or
smack down if I were to mess up), I imagine it can handle a 20 mph tow for 6
or 7 miles on it's own gear. Depending on distance, it's another option.
Anybody wanna sit in the back of my truck and hang onto the tail until we
get there? No droppin' it.
Mike
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
All I can say is I've heard all the horror stories...and have been
trailering numerous aircraft for the last 12+ years on my open deck flat bed
trailer and I have never as much as added a dent to a wreck I've salvaged or
a new airplane on it's way to paint. My paint run is usually an hour and a
half each way. I have hauled as far as 8 hours in each direction with
customer work..and like I said (knock on wood) I have never done the
slightest bit of damage to any of numerous makes of aircraft that I have
hauled. My biggest "shipping" project would have to be the completed Rebel
that I shipped to Maui. Packed into a 20 foot marine container by removing
the prop and the rudder. Wings on floor sitting on SM with plastic and
insulation bats between the wings. It took a tractor trailer ride from
Penetang to Toronto. Then got put on a train (which would have to be the
worst in the for and aft torture) from Toronto to Vancouver and then down to
California were it was loaded onto a container ship. Dropped on the dock on
the big island and then loaded onto another boat to Maui..dropped
again..then onto a truck and hauled half way around the island. Unscathed,
bolted together and flown!...and the new owner was the proud owner of $368
worth of ratchet straps!!
As I alluded to in my first response to this..... the aircraft must be "one"
with the trailer as much as possible. I can' be bouncing after the trailer
is done bouncing. For the marine container shipment I blocked the axles
blocks so the tires were off the floor and the tail was tied up into the
corner of the container with the fin tight against the ceiling (2" SM
between it and the ceiling actually). When hauling on the trailer..ratchet
straps around the tires and down tight to take the bounce out of them + more
ratchet straps up over the wishbone so it can't bounce. Tailwheel tied down
tight and a ratchet strap up over the FUS-31 to hold it down tight. Have
never had a problem. One adavantage I have is a tri-axle trailer bridges pot
holes and road humps a tad better than single or duals...but with care and
caution and someone driving that is used to a trailer behind them...I don't
see an issue.
Wayne
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I was thinking about somehow attaching the tail to the back of the truck and
then a real slow tow in the middle of the night to the airport (about 6 or 7
miles). Since the airplane should be able to handle a 70 mph touchdown (or
smack down if I were to mess up), I imagine it can handle a 20 mph tow for 6
or 7 miles on it's own gear. Depending on distance, it's another option.
Anybody wanna sit in the back of my truck and hang onto the tail until we
get there? No droppin' it.
Mike
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
All I can say is I've heard all the horror stories...and have been
trailering numerous aircraft for the last 12+ years on my open deck flat bed
trailer and I have never as much as added a dent to a wreck I've salvaged or
a new airplane on it's way to paint. My paint run is usually an hour and a
half each way. I have hauled as far as 8 hours in each direction with
customer work..and like I said (knock on wood) I have never done the
slightest bit of damage to any of numerous makes of aircraft that I have
hauled. My biggest "shipping" project would have to be the completed Rebel
that I shipped to Maui. Packed into a 20 foot marine container by removing
the prop and the rudder. Wings on floor sitting on SM with plastic and
insulation bats between the wings. It took a tractor trailer ride from
Penetang to Toronto. Then got put on a train (which would have to be the
worst in the for and aft torture) from Toronto to Vancouver and then down to
California were it was loaded onto a container ship. Dropped on the dock on
the big island and then loaded onto another boat to Maui..dropped
again..then onto a truck and hauled half way around the island. Unscathed,
bolted together and flown!...and the new owner was the proud owner of $368
worth of ratchet straps!!
As I alluded to in my first response to this..... the aircraft must be "one"
with the trailer as much as possible. I can' be bouncing after the trailer
is done bouncing. For the marine container shipment I blocked the axles
blocks so the tires were off the floor and the tail was tied up into the
corner of the container with the fin tight against the ceiling (2" SM
between it and the ceiling actually). When hauling on the trailer..ratchet
straps around the tires and down tight to take the bounce out of them + more
ratchet straps up over the wishbone so it can't bounce. Tailwheel tied down
tight and a ratchet strap up over the FUS-31 to hold it down tight. Have
never had a problem. One adavantage I have is a tri-axle trailer bridges pot
holes and road humps a tad better than single or duals...but with care and
caution and someone driving that is used to a trailer behind them...I don't
see an issue.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
Anybody know of a specific rental cube van that will fit a Rebel? I used
the largest one that U-haul had to move mine (without the engine
installed) but my memory is that it probably isn't going to be big
enough now that the engine is installed. Their measurement was tailgate
to the front of the overhang above the drivers head and useable length
was 4 or 5 feet less... It had air suspension but it seemed like it
might as well have been solid with only a thousand pounds back there.
However 350 miles with no damage (other than my nerves from the poor
condition of the truck) but as I said the engine was not installed. I
believe I roped the tail spring in 4 directions and then built a wooden
frame on the truck floor to chock the main gear fairly well in all
directions.
Ken
Bob Patterson wrote:
Hi Jim !
Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.
I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.
Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !
.......bobp
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Wayne G. O'Shea
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
Got a fifth wheel pin?? If not make up a clamping cradle from 2x 6 or
similar to lock the tailwheel in place. It will swivel for you...be sure to
have someone ride in the back and don't turn too sharp. As long as there is
no toe in , in the gear, it will pull fine. If there is toe in the gear will
keep going out to it's limits and snapping back in when the tires can't hold
the pressure anymore..not a good thing!
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similar to lock the tailwheel in place. It will swivel for you...be sure to
have someone ride in the back and don't turn too sharp. As long as there is
no toe in , in the gear, it will pull fine. If there is toe in the gear will
keep going out to it's limits and snapping back in when the tires can't hold
the pressure anymore..not a good thing!
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Subject: RE: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
andI was contemplating towing my Super Rebel to the airport on it's own gear.
I was thinking about somehow attaching the tail to the back of the truck
7then a real slow tow in the middle of the night to the airport (about 6 or
(ormiles). Since the airplane should be able to handle a 70 mph touchdown
6smack down if I were to mess up), I imagine it can handle a 20 mph tow for
Wayneor 7 miles on it's own gear. Depending on distance, it's another option.
Anybody wanna sit in the back of my truck and hang onto the tail until we
get there? No droppin' it.
Mike
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Mike Davis
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
I think that 20 mph ride in the back of the truck this time of year would be
the hard part! I'd be glad to loan you my flat bed if you'd rather use
that, it's 8' 6" wide on the deck.
Mike
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the hard part! I'd be glad to loan you my flat bed if you'd rather use
that, it's 8' 6" wide on the deck.
Mike
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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:04 PM
Subject: RE: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
I was contemplating towing my Super Rebel to the airport on it's own gear.
I was thinking about somehow attaching the tail to the back of the truck
and
then a real slow tow in the middle of the night to the airport (about 6 or
7
miles). Since the airplane should be able to handle a 70 mph touchdown
(or
smack down if I were to mess up), I imagine it can handle a 20 mph tow for
6
or 7 miles on it's own gear. Depending on distance, it's another option.
Anybody wanna sit in the back of my truck and hang onto the tail until we
get there? No droppin' it.
Mike
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Wayne
G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
All I can say is I've heard all the horror stories...and have been
trailering numerous aircraft for the last 12+ years on my open deck flat
bed
trailer and I have never as much as added a dent to a wreck I've salvaged
or
a new airplane on it's way to paint. My paint run is usually an hour and a
half each way. I have hauled as far as 8 hours in each direction with
customer work..and like I said (knock on wood) I have never done the
slightest bit of damage to any of numerous makes of aircraft that I have
hauled. My biggest "shipping" project would have to be the completed Rebel
that I shipped to Maui. Packed into a 20 foot marine container by removing
the prop and the rudder. Wings on floor sitting on SM with plastic and
insulation bats between the wings. It took a tractor trailer ride from
Penetang to Toronto. Then got put on a train (which would have to be the
worst in the for and aft torture) from Toronto to Vancouver and then down
to
California were it was loaded onto a container ship. Dropped on the dock
on
the big island and then loaded onto another boat to Maui..dropped
again..then onto a truck and hauled half way around the island. Unscathed,
bolted together and flown!...and the new owner was the proud owner of $368
worth of ratchet straps!!
As I alluded to in my first response to this..... the aircraft must be
"one"
with the trailer as much as possible. I can' be bouncing after the trailer
is done bouncing. For the marine container shipment I blocked the axles
blocks so the tires were off the floor and the tail was tied up into the
corner of the container with the fin tight against the ceiling (2" SM
between it and the ceiling actually). When hauling on the trailer..ratchet
straps around the tires and down tight to take the bounce out of them +
more
ratchet straps up over the wishbone so it can't bounce. Tailwheel tied
down
tight and a ratchet strap up over the FUS-31 to hold it down tight. Have
never had a problem. One adavantage I have is a tri-axle trailer bridges
pot
holes and road humps a tad better than single or duals...but with care and
caution and someone driving that is used to a trailer behind them...I
don't
see an issue.
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <klehman@albedo.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
Anybody know of a specific rental cube van that will fit a Rebel? I used
the largest one that U-haul had to move mine (without the engine
installed) but my memory is that it probably isn't going to be big
enough now that the engine is installed. Their measurement was tailgate
to the front of the overhang above the drivers head and useable length
was 4 or 5 feet less... It had air suspension but it seemed like it
might as well have been solid with only a thousand pounds back there.
However 350 miles with no damage (other than my nerves from the poor
condition of the truck) but as I said the engine was not installed. I
believe I roped the tail spring in 4 directions and then built a wooden
frame on the truck floor to chock the main gear fairly well in all
directions.
Ken
Bob Patterson wrote:
Hi Jim !
Do yourself a BIG favour and go rent a large cube van !
It will be a LOT easier to load, and you can do it in one trip.
Put carpet under wings, and tie everything down well.
I've seen more damage to aircraft from trailering than accidents !!!
The bouncy suspension on most trailers can do unbelievable damage -
an Elite bounced over many miles broke the stinger mounts, and it
flailed around enough to destroy the bulkhead supporting the
stab - it fell off ! Several aircraft were supported by bolts through
the wing & stab attach points - come assembly time, the holes
were so enlarged & distorted that they needed rebuilding !
A glider had the holes in the <attached> stab enlarged to the point
that it developed tail flutter in flight, and was destroyed.
Several years ago, a couple of guys rented a cube van in
Alberta and drove a damaged Stinson home to Ontario - it arrived
home with NO additional damage, and is flying again now. It's
a LOT more fun building than repairing !
.......bobp
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pequeajim
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
Good point on the stiffness of the trailer. Yes, it has Dexter axles and is
setup for hauling jetskis which do not weigh anywhere near as much as a car,
so the ride should be pretty good. I'm going to take my time anyway as he is
only an hour + away.
You're right tho, the fuse could be bolted to the front dolly to keep this
locked in place.
On 10/26/2005 8:33 PM, daricker@chebucto.ns.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
-> We aren't at that point yet in the build but I have thought that it would
be
-> quite handy to have a low(ish) jig like that to put the FUS on while we do
-> advanced assembly of it and the FWF in our home garage/shop. It would be
-> particularly useful if the fin were attached beause it would keep it low
enough
-> to keep it out of the rafters (on the nose gear Elite). I was thinking it
would
-> bolt right to the gear mount points.
->
-> On the Rebel I expect it would work as well although you'd want to protect
the
-> (somewhat??) fragile tail gear. Just bolt the dollies on and tie the FUS
down
-> via the dollies.
->
-> BTW, does the trailer have suspension? You'll want to think about the
ride the
-> Rebel will get on the way and a stiffly spring trailer won't be as gentle
as a
-> softer one. Maybe lower the tire pressures (within reason) to make the
ride
-> better? I suspect the trailer you'll borrow is something like a race car
-> transporter so it'll be set up for a lot more weight than the Rebel.
->
-> Cheers,
->
-> Dave
->
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setup for hauling jetskis which do not weigh anywhere near as much as a car,
so the ride should be pretty good. I'm going to take my time anyway as he is
only an hour + away.
You're right tho, the fuse could be bolted to the front dolly to keep this
locked in place.
On 10/26/2005 8:33 PM, daricker@chebucto.ns.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
-> We aren't at that point yet in the build but I have thought that it would
be
-> quite handy to have a low(ish) jig like that to put the FUS on while we do
-> advanced assembly of it and the FWF in our home garage/shop. It would be
-> particularly useful if the fin were attached beause it would keep it low
enough
-> to keep it out of the rafters (on the nose gear Elite). I was thinking it
would
-> bolt right to the gear mount points.
->
-> On the Rebel I expect it would work as well although you'd want to protect
the
-> (somewhat??) fragile tail gear. Just bolt the dollies on and tie the FUS
down
-> via the dollies.
->
-> BTW, does the trailer have suspension? You'll want to think about the
ride the
-> Rebel will get on the way and a stiffly spring trailer won't be as gentle
as a
-> softer one. Maybe lower the tire pressures (within reason) to make the
ride
-> better? I suspect the trailer you'll borrow is something like a race car
-> transporter so it'll be set up for a lot more weight than the Rebel.
->
-> Cheers,
->
-> Dave
->
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pequeajim
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
Thanks for the suggestion Bob. I'm going up there next weekend to dimension
everything including the width of the spring gear without the wheela and
axles. The trailer is a 26 foot racing Featherlite with dexter axles.
On 10/27/2005 5:27 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
-> We picked up the Elite (it had been ground looped) using an 18' enclosed
car
-> hauler trailer (www.aacnet.com/elite). You are right that the plane will
-> not simply roll in. The gear (w/ wheels & tires) is too wide ... and the
-> top of the windshield will hit the top of the cover. Your idea with the
box
-> will most certainly work. We had to take the rudder off to get it into the
-> trailer length wise (you may be getting a longer then 18' trailer ... ??)
-> ... or the Rebel may be shorter then the Elite ... ???. Anyway, we took
the
-> axles (and wheels & tires) off the gear struts, and the plane slid in just
-> fine. This might be an easier solution then building a box and removing
the
-> gear.
->
-> Bob 612e
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> pequeajim@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:12 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
->
->
-> One of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour
and
-> a half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6
everything including the width of the spring gear without the wheela and
axles. The trailer is a 26 foot racing Featherlite with dexter axles.
On 10/27/2005 5:27 AM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
-> We picked up the Elite (it had been ground looped) using an 18' enclosed
car
-> hauler trailer (www.aacnet.com/elite). You are right that the plane will
-> not simply roll in. The gear (w/ wheels & tires) is too wide ... and the
-> top of the windshield will hit the top of the cover. Your idea with the
box
-> will most certainly work. We had to take the rudder off to get it into the
-> trailer length wise (you may be getting a longer then 18' trailer ... ??)
-> ... or the Rebel may be shorter then the Elite ... ???. Anyway, we took
the
-> axles (and wheels & tires) off the gear struts, and the plane slid in just
-> fine. This might be an easier solution then building a box and removing
the
-> gear.
->
-> Bob 612e
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> pequeajim@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:12 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
->
->
-> One of the challenges for me will be transporting my Rebel about an hour
and
-> a half. I can get an enclosed trailer, but the width is about 6
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pequeajim
Cradle for transporting the rebel without the gear
Thanks, I will check the inside dimensions.
Thanks Bob, but I have driven some cub, (or box) vans and in many cases, they
really can't touch the softness of a good race trailer with Dexter axles. I
know this for a fact because that was my method of transporting my giant
scale competition RC aircraft to meets for several years with no damage.
On 10/27/2005 10:07 AM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
-> What ever you chose...on 6.00/15 x 6 tires it's 91.5" wide!
->
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Thanks Bob, but I have driven some cub, (or box) vans and in many cases, they
really can't touch the softness of a good race trailer with Dexter axles. I
know this for a fact because that was my method of transporting my giant
scale competition RC aircraft to meets for several years with no damage.
On 10/27/2005 10:07 AM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
-> What ever you chose...on 6.00/15 x 6 tires it's 91.5" wide!
->
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