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Mike Betti

Window placement

Post by Mike Betti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am

Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
the top of the door window, and from the top of the door opening to the
bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E



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N.Smith

Window placement

Post by N.Smith » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am

Hi Mike

Do you mean the position of the small side window (early a/c had round ones,
now they are almost square) located BEHIND the door relative to the door /
roof etc ??


Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 13 September 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Window placement


Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
the top of the door window, and from the top of the door opening to the
bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
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Mike Betti
771E



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mbetti

Window placement

Post by mbetti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:24 am

Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I know where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements to locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm trying to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of that so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window is. If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
Hi Mike

Do you mean the position of the small side window (early a/c had round ones,
now they are almost square) located BEHIND the door relative to the door /
roof etc ??


Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 13 September 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Window placement


Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
the top of the door window, and from the top of the door opening to the
bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
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N.Smith

Window placement

Post by N.Smith » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window = 3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
Hi Mike

Do you mean the position of the small side window (early a/c had round
ones,
now they are almost square) located BEHIND the door relative to the door /
roof etc ??


Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 13 September 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Window placement


Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
the top of the door window, and from the top of the door opening to the
bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
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Mike Betti
771E



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Mike Betti

Window placement

Post by Mike Betti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window =
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
Hi Mike

Do you mean the position of the small side window (early a/c had round
ones,
now they are almost square) located BEHIND the door relative to the door /
roof etc ??


Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 13 September 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Window placement


Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
the top of the door window, and from the top of the door opening to the
bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E



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N.Smith

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Post by N.Smith » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window =
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
Hi Mike

Do you mean the position of the small side window (early a/c had round
ones,
now they are almost square) located BEHIND the door relative to the door /
roof etc ??


Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 13 September 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Window placement


Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
the top of the door window, and from the top of the door opening to the
bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
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Mike Betti
771E



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Mike Betti

Window placement

Post by Mike Betti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:02 pm

Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window
=
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm
trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
Hi Mike

Do you mean the position of the small side window (early a/c had round
ones,
now they are almost square) located BEHIND the door relative to the door
/
roof etc ??


Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 13 September 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Window placement


Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
the top of the door window, and from the top of the door opening to the
bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E



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N.Smith

Window placement

Post by N.Smith » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:02 pm

Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window
=
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm
trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
Hi Mike

Do you mean the position of the small side window (early a/c had round
ones,
now they are almost square) located BEHIND the door relative to the door
/
roof etc ??


Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
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Mike Betti
Sent: 13 September 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Window placement


Could someone with an Elite measure the side window in the door for me.
I'm looking for the dimension from the top of the door opening down to
the top of the door window, and from the top of the door opening to the
bottom of the door window. What I'm trying to do is place my sidelight
doubler that goes behind the door before I actually install the door. I
want to get that hole cut along with the skylights prior to spraying
painting the interior.
Thanks,
Mike Betti
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wrightdg

Window placement

Post by wrightdg » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:02 pm

Mike and Nigel,

I just finished re-installing FOKM's windscreen using butyl tape. It had
been installed originally by Wayne with the same technique. It came out
beautifully, had never leaked a bit, and went back in with ease. I would
strongly recommend this technique as the material is workable into fine
lines and easily moved around. It can be purchased at most automotive
parts dealers and is commonly used for windshield installations in
cars.

Garry

On Wed, 2005-26-10 at 09:10 +0100, N.Smith wrote:
Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window
=
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm
trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said: ones,
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N.Smith

Window placement

Post by N.Smith » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:02 pm

Thanks Gary

I'll look around for some and figure out a plan for when I get round to the
windscreen (still a while off yet :-) )

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
wrightdg
Sent: 26 October 2005 13:46
To: rebel builders
Subject: RE: Window placement


Mike and Nigel,

I just finished re-installing FOKM's windscreen using butyl tape. It had
been installed originally by Wayne with the same technique. It came out
beautifully, had never leaked a bit, and went back in with ease. I would
strongly recommend this technique as the material is workable into fine
lines and easily moved around. It can be purchased at most automotive
parts dealers and is commonly used for windshield installations in
cars.

Garry

On Wed, 2005-26-10 at 09:10 +0100, N.Smith wrote:
Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use
something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't
stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for
the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior
to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used
for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of
sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or
side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for
window
=
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel
with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before
I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements
to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm
trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door
window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:37:27 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said: ones,
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mbetti

Window placement

Post by mbetti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:02 pm

Thanks,
I think I will try it. You saved me some time from going down the archives, I know this is a lengthy topic out there but I didn't remember the out come.
Mike Betti

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:45:31 -0600, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
Mike and Nigel,

I just finished re-installing FOKM's windscreen using butyl tape. It had
been installed originally by Wayne with the same technique. It came out
beautifully, had never leaked a bit, and went back in with ease. I would
strongly recommend this technique as the material is workable into fine
lines and easily moved around. It can be purchased at most automotive
parts dealers and is commonly used for windshield installations in
cars.

Garry

On Wed, 2005-26-10 at 09:10 +0100, N.Smith wrote:
Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
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mbetti

Window placement

Post by mbetti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:02 pm

The concern I have with using the caulk tube sealant is how much do you put in the joint. And depending on how close to the edge of parts will determine how much is going to squeeze out at the lens edge. I'm concerned on getting this cleaned up at the edge with out smearing into the viewable area. I don't know what to expect for the clean up of this product with out eating the plastic.
I was thinking maybe keep the sealant back away from the edges so none sqeezes out and then go back and make a filet joint around the perimeter?

Mike Betti

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:51:04 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
Thanks Gary

I'll look around for some and figure out a plan for when I get round to the
windscreen (still a while off yet :-) )

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
wrightdg
Sent: 26 October 2005 13:46
To: rebel builders
Subject: RE: Window placement


Mike and Nigel,

I just finished re-installing FOKM's windscreen using butyl tape. It had
been installed originally by Wayne with the same technique. It came out
beautifully, had never leaked a bit, and went back in with ease. I would
strongly recommend this technique as the material is workable into fine
lines and easily moved around. It can be purchased at most automotive
parts dealers and is commonly used for windshield installations in
cars.

Garry

On Wed, 2005-26-10 at 09:10 +0100, N.Smith wrote:
Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use
something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't
stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for
the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior
to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used
for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of
sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or
side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
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Scott Aldrich

Window placement

Post by Scott Aldrich » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:02 pm

I did a dry fit and put tape on the window along the seam of window and
retainer. Then goo squeezes out onto the tape. Removed the tape.

FWIW
Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:55 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement


The concern I have with using the caulk tube sealant is how much do you put
in the joint. And depending on how close to the edge of parts will determine
how much is going to squeeze out at the lens edge. I'm concerned on getting
this cleaned up at the edge with out smearing into the viewable area. I
don't know what to expect for the clean up of this product with out eating
the plastic.
I was thinking maybe keep the sealant back away from the edges so none
sqeezes out and then go back and make a filet joint around the perimeter?

Mike Betti

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:51:04 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
Thanks Gary

I'll look around for some and figure out a plan for when I get round to the
windscreen (still a while off yet :-) )

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
wrightdg
Sent: 26 October 2005 13:46
To: rebel builders
Subject: RE: Window placement


Mike and Nigel,

I just finished re-installing FOKM's windscreen using butyl tape. It had
been installed originally by Wayne with the same technique. It came out
beautifully, had never leaked a bit, and went back in with ease. I would
strongly recommend this technique as the material is workable into fine
lines and easily moved around. It can be purchased at most automotive
parts dealers and is commonly used for windshield installations in
cars.

Garry

On Wed, 2005-26-10 at 09:10 +0100, N.Smith wrote:
Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use
something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't
stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for
the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior
to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has
cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used
for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows
with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent
damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of
sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or
side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
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Subject: RE: Window placement

window
with
to
I
to
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me.
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N.Smith

Window placement

Post by N.Smith » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:06 pm

Great Idea Scott.....I'll try it today

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Scott Aldrich
Sent: 26 October 2005 16:12
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement


I did a dry fit and put tape on the window along the seam of window and
retainer. Then goo squeezes out onto the tape. Removed the tape.

FWIW
Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
mbetti@up.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:55 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement


The concern I have with using the caulk tube sealant is how much do you put
in the joint. And depending on how close to the edge of parts will determine
how much is going to squeeze out at the lens edge. I'm concerned on getting
this cleaned up at the edge with out smearing into the viewable area. I
don't know what to expect for the clean up of this product with out eating
the plastic.
I was thinking maybe keep the sealant back away from the edges so none
sqeezes out and then go back and make a filet joint around the perimeter?

Mike Betti

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:51:04 +0100, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
Thanks Gary

I'll look around for some and figure out a plan for when I get round to the
windscreen (still a while off yet :-) )

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
wrightdg
Sent: 26 October 2005 13:46
To: rebel builders
Subject: RE: Window placement


Mike and Nigel,

I just finished re-installing FOKM's windscreen using butyl tape. It had
been installed originally by Wayne with the same technique. It came out
beautifully, had never leaked a bit, and went back in with ease. I would
strongly recommend this technique as the material is workable into fine
lines and easily moved around. It can be purchased at most automotive
parts dealers and is commonly used for windshield installations in
cars.

Garry

On Wed, 2005-26-10 at 09:10 +0100, N.Smith wrote:
Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use
something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't
stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for
the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior
to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has
cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used
for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows
with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent
damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of
sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or
side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

window
with
to
I
to
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window
door
me.
the
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Mike Betti

Window placement

Post by Mike Betti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:06 pm

Nigel,
Thanks for your help. How did you make out with the masking tape trick for
installing the skylights?
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 3:10 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'm in exactly the same position right now - I guess you must use
something
for the skylights and small side windows so I'm going to use the tube for
those - also I'll have to order some more from the USA as Bostik don't
stock
it in the UK.

If I order a couple of extra tubes I'll hopefully have a tube fresh for
the
windscreen if I need it.

Planning on removing the protective cover sheets on both sides just prior
to
install, then covering both sides with cling wrap after the glue has cured
to protect the surface.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 26 October 2005 02:34
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Nigel,
Is that tube of sealant that comes in the kit supposed to be used for the
skylights or for the windshield? Once I open it, it will have to be used
for
one purpose or the other.
Thanks,
Mike Betti

----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I'll reply to you off list with some pictures to help you with the
positioning.

I will remove the lexan film covering before putting in the windows with
the
supplied bostick sealant, and then cover them up again to prevent damage
after it has set.

The doublers go on the inside for all roof and side windows.

Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Mike Betti
Sent: 15 September 2005 02:22
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Window placement


Ok thanks,
But what I really needed was the dimension from the door opening in the
fuselage to the top of the window and bottom of window when the door is
closed. The first dimension should be around 1.25" and then the second
dimension should be what ever the clear viewing of the window is in
height
added to that. Sorry for being a pain. Also, do the doublers go on the
inside and what do you use for a sealant. I received some sort of sealant
with the kit and I don't know it is saved for the windshield or side/roof
lights. It's called Adthane. Do you leave the lexan protective film on
until
after painting of exterior or can you mask it off with tape ok? I was
thinking that the film may interfere with the sealant.
Thanks again,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "N.Smith" <admin@airnig.co.uk>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: Window placement

Hi Mike

I placed mine based on photo's of other peoples, but it's as follows.

Side distance from back of door frame to forward vertical cut for window
=
3
1/16 "
Side distance from rear vertical cut for window to edge of fus panel
with
window in it = 3 1/16"
Roof line down to front of top line in window cut = 7"
Roof line down to rear of top line in window cut = 6 1/4"


Hope this helps ( I taped my window doublers in place and stood back to
check the position looked the same as photo's of other builders before I
cut
anything)

Nigel
745E

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mbetti@up.net
Sent: 13 September 2005 20:59
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Window placement



Nigel,
Correct, but the dimensions I need are for the door window itself so I
know
where it ends up on the aircraft and then I can use those measurements
to
locate the small side window. I don't have the door made yet so I'm
trying
to see where the glass would end up and then base my side window off of
that
so they match up somewhat. I want to take the given measurements and
transfer them to my fuselage so I can visually see where the door window
is.
If that makes any sense.
Mike Betti

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