Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2 weeks)

Jesse Jenks · Post by **Jesse Jenks** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

I haven't heard from Dave Fife for months, so I've been considering building
my own Hoerner tips. Using hotwire cut foam to make one-off fiberglass tips
would be an option also, but I thought it would be really cool to have an
all metal wing. It shouldn't be that hard really, the trickiest part I think
would be establishing the plane of the upswept end plate so the top and
bottom sheets can be trimmed in the right place. I was thinking of using a
laser that is normal to the desired plane of the end plate that can pivot on
that plane. Once the top and bottom skins were clecoed to the wing with
extra length hanging beyond the desired end plate location you could easily
use the laser to mark the trim lines. There would only be three basic pieces
to each tip; top and bottom skins flat wrapped to the airfoil shape right on
the wing, and the end plate which would be totally flat as described, or you
could put in some under camber (still no compound curve) pretty easily. The
coolest part is that once you had the outline of the three pieces you could
just duplicate them for the other wing and other airplanes, as opposed to
foam and glass where you have to make a plug for both wings. The other
tricky part I guess is joining the three pieces. I was thinking the the
bottom seam being an obtuse angle could use a tab formed from an extra strip
on the bottom of the end plate, using fluting pliers or a shrinker. The
upper seam being much sharper would probably require a separate joiner strip
made from a bent V section. It would require some extreme forming to fit the
top of the airfoil but again, flutes, shrinker and/or notches should do the
trick. This piece would be mostly inside the tip anyway so doesn't have to
be pretty. Landing light cover would be simple flat wrapped Lexan in the LE
section of the tip.
Any thoughts?

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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Bob P's got one of the two sets I made somewhere Jesse.... I tad short for a
light in the tip though...I'll send you a picture..
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 12:52 PM
Subject: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2 weeks)

I haven't heard from Dave Fife for months, so I've been considering

building

my own Hoerner tips. Using hotwire cut foam to make one-off fiberglass

tips

would be an option also, but I thought it would be really cool to have an
all metal wing. It shouldn't be that hard really, the trickiest part I

think

would be establishing the plane of the upswept end plate so the top and
bottom sheets can be trimmed in the right place. I was thinking of using a
laser that is normal to the desired plane of the end plate that can pivot

on

that plane. Once the top and bottom skins were clecoed to the wing with
extra length hanging beyond the desired end plate location you could

easily

use the laser to mark the trim lines. There would only be three basic

pieces

to each tip; top and bottom skins flat wrapped to the airfoil shape right

on

the wing, and the end plate which would be totally flat as described, or

you

could put in some under camber (still no compound curve) pretty easily.

The

coolest part is that once you had the outline of the three pieces you

could

just duplicate them for the other wing and other airplanes, as opposed to
foam and glass where you have to make a plug for both wings. The other
tricky part I guess is joining the three pieces. I was thinking the the
bottom seam being an obtuse angle could use a tab formed from an extra

strip

on the bottom of the end plate, using fluting pliers or a shrinker. The
upper seam being much sharper would probably require a separate joiner

strip

made from a bent V section. It would require some extreme forming to fit

the

top of the airfoil but again, flutes, shrinker and/or notches should do

the

trick. This piece would be mostly inside the tip anyway so doesn't have to
be pretty. Landing light cover would be simple flat wrapped Lexan in the

LE

section of the tip.
Any thoughts?

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Jesse Jenks · Post by **Jesse Jenks** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

I should have known you would have already made some. Was it hard?

From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2 weeks)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:48:22 -0400

Bob P's got one of the two sets I made somewhere Jesse.... I tad short for
a
light in the tip though...I'll send you a picture..
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 12:52 PM
Subject: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2 weeks)

I haven't heard from Dave Fife for months, so I've been considering
building
my own Hoerner tips. Using hotwire cut foam to make one-off fiberglass
tips
would be an option also, but I thought it would be really cool to have
an
all metal wing. It shouldn't be that hard really, the trickiest part I
think
would be establishing the plane of the upswept end plate so the top and
bottom sheets can be trimmed in the right place. I was thinking of using
a
laser that is normal to the desired plane of the end plate that can
pivot
on
that plane. Once the top and bottom skins were clecoed to the wing with
extra length hanging beyond the desired end plate location you could
easily
use the laser to mark the trim lines. There would only be three basic
pieces
to each tip; top and bottom skins flat wrapped to the airfoil shape
right
on
the wing, and the end plate which would be totally flat as described, or
you
could put in some under camber (still no compound curve) pretty easily.
The
coolest part is that once you had the outline of the three pieces you
could
just duplicate them for the other wing and other airplanes, as opposed
to
foam and glass where you have to make a plug for both wings. The other
tricky part I guess is joining the three pieces. I was thinking the the
bottom seam being an obtuse angle could use a tab formed from an extra
strip
on the bottom of the end plate, using fluting pliers or a shrinker. The
upper seam being much sharper would probably require a separate joiner
strip
made from a bent V section. It would require some extreme forming to fit
the
top of the airfoil but again, flutes, shrinker and/or notches should do
the
trick. This piece would be mostly inside the tip anyway so doesn't have
to
be pretty. Landing light cover would be simple flat wrapped Lexan in the
LE
section of the tip.
Any thoughts?

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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Took some head scratching and hours. Mine are just two pieces..The sloped
and the top skin & why I said they are a bit short..but I didn't want to
play with fiberglass and figured the hoerner at this length = the supplied
MAM tip at the extended length....due to the vortex effect of increasing
wing span. I wasn't looking so much for a performance mod...as a way out of
playing with glass. I had to make the first pattern from steel flashing so
it was stiff enough to work with. Basically if you get the bottom/side
coming up on it's angle and left long...then take a flat object..tape a
marker to the end of it and slide the flat object along the wing..keeping it
parallel to the wing spars... to mark the wing profile on the new sheet.
This gives you a bend line for the flange to pick up the top wing extension.

I know..clear as mud...will see if I can find you some pics as they were
being built.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2 weeks)

I should have known you would have already made some. Was it hard?

From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2 weeks)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:48:22 -0400

Bob P's got one of the two sets I made somewhere Jesse.... I tad short

for

a
light in the tip though...I'll send you a picture..
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 12:52 PM
Subject: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2 weeks)

I haven't heard from Dave Fife for months, so I've been considering
building
my own Hoerner tips. Using hotwire cut foam to make one-off fiberglass
tips
would be an option also, but I thought it would be really cool to have
an
all metal wing. It shouldn't be that hard really, the trickiest part I
think
would be establishing the plane of the upswept end plate so the top

and

bottom sheets can be trimmed in the right place. I was thinking of

using

a
laser that is normal to the desired plane of the end plate that can
pivot
on
that plane. Once the top and bottom skins were clecoed to the wing

with

extra length hanging beyond the desired end plate location you could
easily
use the laser to mark the trim lines. There would only be three basic
pieces
to each tip; top and bottom skins flat wrapped to the airfoil shape
right
on
the wing, and the end plate which would be totally flat as described,

or

you
could put in some under camber (still no compound curve) pretty

easily.

The
coolest part is that once you had the outline of the three pieces you
could
just duplicate them for the other wing and other airplanes, as opposed
to
foam and glass where you have to make a plug for both wings. The other
tricky part I guess is joining the three pieces. I was thinking the

the

bottom seam being an obtuse angle could use a tab formed from an extra
strip
on the bottom of the end plate, using fluting pliers or a shrinker.

The

upper seam being much sharper would probably require a separate joiner
strip
made from a bent V section. It would require some extreme forming to

fit

the
top of the airfoil but again, flutes, shrinker and/or notches should

do

the
trick. This piece would be mostly inside the tip anyway so doesn't

have

to
be pretty. Landing light cover would be simple flat wrapped Lexan in

the

LE
section of the tip.
Any thoughts?

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Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Prior to Dave I was going to use the Maverick tip design. MAM gave me
the section from the Maverick manual when I asked. They are similar to
hoerner's and fabric covered.
You do understand that metal will take you several times longer than
your wildest estimate ;(
Ken

Jesse Jenks wrote:

I haven't heard from Dave Fife for months, so I've been considering building
my own Hoerner tips.

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Jesse Jenks · Post by **Jesse Jenks** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Thanks Wayne, I get it.
I might give it a try. I'd rather just pay Fife the $600. but I think he
fell off the edge of the earth or something.
Jesse

From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2 weeks)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:16:56 -0400

Took some head scratching and hours. Mine are just two pieces..The sloped
and the top skin & why I said they are a bit short..but I didn't want to
play with fiberglass and figured the hoerner at this length = the supplied
MAM tip at the extended length....due to the vortex effect of increasing
wing span. I wasn't looking so much for a performance mod...as a way out of
playing with glass. I had to make the first pattern from steel flashing so
it was stiff enough to work with. Basically if you get the bottom/side
coming up on it's angle and left long...then take a flat object..tape a
marker to the end of it and slide the flat object along the wing..keeping
it
parallel to the wing spars... to mark the wing profile on the new sheet.
This gives you a bend line for the flange to pick up the top wing
extension.

I know..clear as mud...will see if I can find you some pics as they were
being built.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2 weeks)

I should have known you would have already made some. Was it hard?

From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2
weeks)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:48:22 -0400

Bob P's got one of the two sets I made somewhere Jesse.... I tad short
for
a
light in the tip though...I'll send you a picture..
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 12:52 PM
Subject: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2 weeks)

building
fiberglass
tips
have
an
I
think
and
using
a pivot
on
with
easily
basic
pieces right
on
described,
or
you
easily.
The
you
could
opposed
to
other
the
extra
strip
The
joiner
strip
fit
the
do
the
have
to
the
LE

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Jesse Jenks · Post by **Jesse Jenks** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Yeah, but that's true about the whole airplane.
I'll have a look at the Maverick too. Considering all options, but using the
supplied tips is not one of them at this point. They stink. I was looking at
a friends' RV-6 wingtips and they are beautifully made The glass work and
gel coat are really really good. I wish Murphy would have invested a bit
more effort into theirs.
Jesse

Prior to Dave I was going to use the Maverick tip design. MAM gave me
the section from the Maverick manual when I asked. They are similar to
hoerner's and fabric covered.
You do understand that metal will take you several times longer than
your wildest estimate ;(
Ken

Jesse Jenks wrote:

I haven't heard from Dave Fife for months, so I've been considering
building
my own Hoerner tips.

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Jesse Jenks · Post by **Jesse Jenks** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Thanks Bob, I'll give Dave Fife until I finish my second wing to come out of
hiding before I do anything.
Jesse

From: Bob Patterson <beep@sympatico.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2 weeks)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:07:53 -0400

Gee, Jesse - make me an offer O/L for the metal tips - they're
here in the basement ! (Along with a 'speed cowl' for a Continental
IO-240, if anyone is interested ....) (and a LOT of other junk !) ;-)
All ready to install !
......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 17 September 2005 09:32 pm, Jesse Jenks wrote:
Thanks Wayne, I get it.
I might give it a try. I'd rather just pay Fife the $600. but I think he
fell off the edge of the earth or something.
Jesse

From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2
weeks)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:16:56 -0400

Took some head scratching and hours. Mine are just two pieces..The
sloped
and the top skin & why I said they are a bit short..but I didn't want
to
play with fiberglass and figured the hoerner at this length = the
supplied
MAM tip at the extended length....due to the vortex effect of
increasing
wing span. I wasn't looking so much for a performance mod...as a way
out
of
playing with glass. I had to make the first pattern from steel
flashing
so
it was stiff enough to work with. Basically if you get the bottom/side
coming up on it's angle and left long...then take a flat object..tape a
marker to the end of it and slide the flat object along the
wing..keeping
it
parallel to the wing spars... to mark the wing profile on the new
sheet.
This gives you a bend line for the flange to pick up the top wing
extension.

I know..clear as mud...will see if I can find you some pics as they
were
being built.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2
weeks)
weeks)
short
for
weeks)
considering
fiberglass
to
have
part
I
top
and
of
using
can
wing
with
could
basic
shape
described,
or easily.
pieces
you opposed other
the
the extra
shrinker.
The joiner
forming
to
fit
should
do
doesn't
have
Lexan
in
the
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Bob Patterson · Post by **Bob Patterson** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Gee, Jesse - make me an offer O/L for the metal tips - they're
here in the basement ! (Along with a 'speed cowl' for a Continental
IO-240, if anyone is interested ....) (and a LOT of other junk !) ;-)
All ready to install !
......bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 17 September 2005 09:32 pm, Jesse Jenks wrote:

Thanks Wayne, I get it.
I might give it a try. I'd rather just pay Fife the $600. but I think he
fell off the edge of the earth or something.
Jesse

From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2 weeks)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:16:56 -0400

Took some head scratching and hours. Mine are just two pieces..The sloped
and the top skin & why I said they are a bit short..but I didn't want to
play with fiberglass and figured the hoerner at this length = the

supplied

MAM tip at the extended length....due to the vortex effect of increasing
wing span. I wasn't looking so much for a performance mod...as a way out

of

playing with glass. I had to make the first pattern from steel flashing

so

it was stiff enough to work with. Basically if you get the bottom/side
coming up on it's angle and left long...then take a flat object..tape a
marker to the end of it and slide the flat object along the wing..keeping
it
parallel to the wing spars... to mark the wing profile on the new sheet.
This gives you a bend line for the flange to pick up the top wing
extension.

I know..clear as mud...will see if I can find you some pics as they were
being built.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2 weeks)

I should have known you would have already made some. Was it hard?

weeks)

short

for

considering

fiberglass
have

part

I

top

and
using

can

with

could

basic

shape

described,
or
easily.
you
opposed
other

the

the
extra

shrinker.

The
joiner

to

fit

should

do
have

in

the

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cosmedi · Post by **cosmedi** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Hello Jesse,
I spoke with David Fife by telephone six weeks ago; he was going to finish off the Elite prototype wing tips by the end of this year. So I guess he still is in business. He had just moved house (usual problems). I will give him a telephone call today and ask him to contact the list.

Kind regards,
Greg. Gordon.

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cosmedi · Post by **cosmedi** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Hello Jesse,
Tried David Fife's telephone number; received a recorded message saying "that the number was disconected or no longer in use". You and I are both back to square one!!!

Regards,
Greg.

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Rebflyer · Post by **Rebflyer** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Hi Jesse,
Well I just spent the last 2 days with Dave. He's finally got to the
bottom of the move, and he can actually see the tip molds now.
Drop him a line again and see what happens. Remember its aircrafttipps @
Yahoo.com. It's an e-mail site not a web page.
Curt N97MR

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Rick Harper · Post by **Rick Harper** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Yo Gregus !

Don't forget to get me a pair too !

Biggus
----- Original Message -----
From: cosmedi@bigpond.net.au
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Cc: Jesse Jenks
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: Aluminum wingtips (what I really want to do with my 2
weeks)

Hello Jesse,
I spoke with David Fife by telephone six weeks ago; he was going to
finish off the Elite prototype wing tips by the end of this year. So I
guess he still is in business. He had just moved house (usual problems).
I will give him a telephone call today and ask him to contact the list.

Kind regards,
Greg. Gordon.

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Jesse Jenks · Post by **Jesse Jenks** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:38 pm

Thanks Curt and Greg,
I'll keep trying.

Hi Jesse,
Well I just spent the last 2 days with Dave. He's finally got to the
bottom of the move, and he can actually see the tip molds now.
Drop him a line again and see what happens. Remember its aircrafttipps
@
Yahoo.com. It's an e-mail site not a web page.
Curt N97MR

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