Plastic Wear Washers

Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:45 pm

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Yes Bob, you are wrong! The plastic washers are my original, not Murphy's!

To jog your memory, I originally appeared at a builders meeting (4 or 5
years ago) and sold these wear washers ("pogs") to the builders and later
that year offered them to Murphy through Dave Walker at the TAAS. Murphy
Aircraft bought a couple thousand from me and I don't know if they ever put
them in the kits! The latest drawings I saw use little plastic washers the
same size as steel AN960 washers. My large ones (approx. same diameter of
spar tube) are more logical and easier to use. If MAM is no longer suppling
mine, then I am free to sell them again at $5 for a dozen. Buy the required
50 clip style anchor nuts for the Rebel's tail feather tips @ $1 each and I
will throw in a set of washers for free!

AS for a list of useful parts on my site, the bills from my Webmaster (son)
are unbearable now! Yesterday, I settled his constant reminder of "do you
know how much this would cost you", By giving him my 1990 T-Bird Super Coupe
for services rendered! The list won't happen in the near future, but we will
see what we can do!!!!

Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: Fuel Line/Fuel Flow

Dave,

We've tried taking notes in the past - also audio taping, etc .....
The problem is that everyone is so busy participating that the notes are
pretty much useless, and so many people chime in with suggestions at the
same time that transcribing is very difficult .... :-(

Several of the things Wayne mentions have been covered in the past, and
some <WERE> part of the kits at one time - the plastic "pogs" come to mind.
These are disks of wear-resistant plastic that are placed between the
control surface & its support (originally first used on the bottom of
the rudder, to prevent wearing off the rivets !!). I believe these are
still included, and are available from the factory (of course, I've been
wrong before ! ;-) ) If not, we can find a source - right, Wayne ?! ;-)

Wayne has recently obtained a HUGE supply of aircraft hardware, so I'm
sure he can supply all kinds of nut plates - you might check his web site.

Between us, we'll <try> to put <something> together ...... Possibly
a list of useful parts & their applications on Wayne's site ???

......bobp

--------------------------------orig.--------------------------------------
At 11:12 PM 3/10/00 -0800, you wrote:
Wayne

You touched on a few somewhat cryptic topics to discuss at the Brampton
meeting,
what are the chances of you jotting down a few notes for those of us who

can't

make Bob's get together. You caught my attention with references to nut

plates

for inspection covers (OK, fairly self explanitory, but what size?) 44"
bulkheads, strengthening, aileron hinge bolt one-lug anchor nuts and

plastic

spacers to keep flap/ailerons from rubbing (I am talking about the Elite
here, I
believe it is much like the SR).

I am sure your extensive experience building Murphy's Rebel family would

save

some of us some grief from these notes.

Bob, how about point form notes/minutes of important topics from the

meeting so

that the larger comunity can attend by proxy? Just a thought from the

boonies.

Thanks

Dave R.
Elite 583

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

No!!!!!!! What is a "Colorado bargain"??
Has someone been ripped off!!!
Anything that is a bargain, never is!!!!!
Thats why my "for sale" Rebels are always a little higher priced than

some

of the others that come available!
Nothing Borrowed, Nothing Used!

99.9% sure I will be there Sunday! Probably driving down. Anything in
particular you want me to talk about, other than the Fabric (good and

bad),

Silicon spray, Clip nut usage, parts I have available, Fuselage 44"

square

bulkhead jig and strengthening hints, OR did you want me to just WING

it!

Wayne

P.S. For builders coming to the meeting, cash only, I'm not bringing the
VISA m/c! Silicon $10/can, Bringing a few thousand of each size of Clip

nuts

that are $1 each for 8/32 and 10/32, 6/32 are $1.25. Inferior style from

A/C

Spruce list at $2 and $3 each (deals made for high volume) Rebels need

about

50 for tail feather tip installation. SR's need 120 for the 4 main
inspection covers per wing (15/cover x 4 x 2 wings). (the Rebel now has

4 of

these covers also = 60 needed) Can also use for one wing tip only! MAM
expects you to rivet all in place! Whats the point of having an

inspection

hole or elevator tip that is riveted in place?? Also will be bringing
"solid" one lug anchor nuts ($1 each) that took me ten wings to realize,

but

they are perfect for the aileron hinge bolts. This way no access hole is
required/adjustment possible now, so don't have to live with those

rubbing

flaperons! Also bringing my black nylon wear washers for the

rudder/elevator

spar to hinge gap. MAM doesn't seem to be flogging the quantity I sold

them,

so I will go back to selling at $5 per dozen. These keep the S.S. rivets
from wearing into the attach hinge. I may also bring some other items I

feel

would be of value to the group.

Thanks for feeding my family in advance!!!!! See you Sunday!

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: Fuel Line/Fuel Flow

--------------------------------orig.--------------------------------------
off!!!!

Rebel

climb

amphibious

seems

a

is

GPH

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Bob Patterson · Post by **Bob Patterson** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:45 pm

I knew they were yours - I just thought the factory was still including
them .... If not, then you are free to sell yours again ! This is
"A Good Thing"(tm) :-)

......bobp

-------------------------------orig.--------------------------------------
At 11:05 PM 3/10/00 -0500, you wrote:

Yes Bob, you are wrong! The plastic washers are my original, not Murphy's!

To jog your memory, I originally appeared at a builders meeting (4 or 5
years ago) and sold these wear washers ("pogs") to the builders and later
that year offered them to Murphy through Dave Walker at the TAAS. Murphy
Aircraft bought a couple thousand from me and I don't know if they ever put
them in the kits! The latest drawings I saw use little plastic washers the
same size as steel AN960 washers. My large ones (approx. same diameter of
spar tube) are more logical and easier to use. If MAM is no longer suppling
mine, then I am free to sell them again at $5 for a dozen. Buy the required
50 clip style anchor nuts for the Rebel's tail feather tips @ $1 each and I
will throw in a set of washers for free!

AS for a list of useful parts on my site, the bills from my Webmaster (son)
are unbearable now! Yesterday, I settled his constant reminder of "do you
know how much this would cost you", By giving him my 1990 T-Bird Super Coupe
for services rendered! The list won't happen in the near future, but we will
see what we can do!!!!

Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: Fuel Line/Fuel Flow

Dave,

We've tried taking notes in the past - also audio taping, etc .....
The problem is that everyone is so busy participating that the notes are
pretty much useless, and so many people chime in with suggestions at the
same time that transcribing is very difficult .... :-(

Several of the things Wayne mentions have been covered in the past, and
some <WERE> part of the kits at one time - the plastic "pogs" come to mind.
These are disks of wear-resistant plastic that are placed between the
control surface & its support (originally first used on the bottom of
the rudder, to prevent wearing off the rivets !!). I believe these are
still included, and are available from the factory (of course, I've been
wrong before ! ;-) ) If not, we can find a source - right, Wayne ?! ;-)

Wayne has recently obtained a HUGE supply of aircraft hardware, so I'm
sure he can supply all kinds of nut plates - you might check his web site.

Between us, we'll <try> to put <something> together ...... Possibly
a list of useful parts & their applications on Wayne's site ???

......bobp

--------------------------------orig.--------------------------------------
At 11:12 PM 3/10/00 -0800, you wrote:
Wayne

You touched on a few somewhat cryptic topics to discuss at the Brampton
meeting,
what are the chances of you jotting down a few notes for those of us who
can't
make Bob's get together. You caught my attention with references to nut
plates
for inspection covers (OK, fairly self explanitory, but what size?) 44"
bulkheads, strengthening, aileron hinge bolt one-lug anchor nuts and
plastic
spacers to keep flap/ailerons from rubbing (I am talking about the Elite
here, I
believe it is much like the SR).

I am sure your extensive experience building Murphy's Rebel family would
save
some of us some grief from these notes.

Bob, how about point form notes/minutes of important topics from the
meeting so
that the larger comunity can attend by proxy? Just a thought from the
boonies.
Thanks

Dave R.
Elite 583

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

some
bad),
square
it!
nuts
A/C
about
4 of
inspection
but
rubbing
rudder/elevator
them,
feel
--------------------------------orig.--------------------------------------
Rebel
climb
amphibious
seems
is
GPH
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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:45 pm

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Yes Dave, they are "thrust" washers. The rebels control horns/end plugs S.S.
rivets would wear into the attach hinges if something wasn't put between
them. My washers are 1 7/8" in diameter. They have a center hole slightly
larger than 3/8"(to fit the AIL-26? bushings). On the Rebel you must clip a
small V in them to clear the safety tie bolt at the end of each spar tube,
that is used to tie off the hinge bolt. The washers are about .030 thick.
Their original intended use was the wear washer inside a TRW seat belt
spring cover! You will never wear them out!

Time you went to bed! Isn't it about 1 A.M. in N.S.

Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: David A. Ricker <ricker@dbis.ns.ca>
To: (Murphy Rebel Builders List) <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Fuel Line/Fuel Flow

Bob/Wayne

Well, we'll hope for the best on the notes, for sure it would be nice to

come & join

you but that just isn't in the cards so we will take what we can get. You

are

really fortunate to have such a big group of Rebelers to trade info among.

OK, on the "pogs" (huh?) do you mean this is a plastic washer that acts as

a thrust

bearing to keep the two mating halves of the hinges from wearing and

galling when

they move? (aluminum on aluminum is bad practise because this has a bad

wear/galling

problem) Is this specific to the Rebel? Something like this is certainly

needed in

the ELITE rudder and would be useful in the elevator too, I don't recall

seeing it

on the factory demo C-GBZB. Perhaps it is up to the builder (since we are
homebuilders after all) to add these refinements. What are the dimensions

of these

pieces Wayne has?

Looking forward to your notes ;>)

Dave R.

--
David A. Ricker P. Eng.
3 Tamarac Drive
Fall River, Nova Scotia
Canada, B2T 1E8
ricker@dbis.ns.ca
Ph. 902-860-0256

Bob Patterson wrote:

Dave,

We've tried taking notes in the past - also audio taping, etc .....
The problem is that everyone is so busy participating that the notes are
pretty much useless, and so many people chime in with suggestions at the
same time that transcribing is very difficult .... :-(

Several of the things Wayne mentions have been covered in the past,

and

some <WERE> part of the kits at one time - the plastic "pogs" come to

mind.

These are disks of wear-resistant plastic that are placed between the
control surface & its support (originally first used on the bottom of
the rudder, to prevent wearing off the rivets !!). I believe these are
still included, and are available from the factory (of course, I've been
wrong before ! ;-) ) If not, we can find a source - right, Wayne ?!

;-)

Wayne has recently obtained a HUGE supply of aircraft hardware, so

I'm

sure he can supply all kinds of nut plates - you might check his web

site.

Between us, we'll <try> to put <something> together ...... Possibly
a list of useful parts & their applications on Wayne's site ???

......bobp

--------------------------------orig.------------------------------------

--

At 11:12 PM 3/10/00 -0800, you wrote:
Wayne

You touched on a few somewhat cryptic topics to discuss at the Brampton
meeting,
what are the chances of you jotting down a few notes for those of us who

can't

make Bob's get together. You caught my attention with references to nut

plates

for inspection covers (OK, fairly self explanitory, but what size?) 44"
bulkheads, strengthening, aileron hinge bolt one-lug anchor nuts and

plastic

spacers to keep flap/ailerons from rubbing (I am talking about the Elite
here, I
believe it is much like the SR).

I am sure your extensive experience building Murphy's Rebel family would

save

some of us some grief from these notes.

Bob, how about point form notes/minutes of important topics from the

meeting so

that the larger comunity can attend by proxy? Just a thought from the

boonies.

Thanks

Dave R.
Elite 583

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

some

bad),

square

it!

the

Clip nuts

from A/C

about

has 4 of

inspection

realize, but

is

rubbing

rudder/elevator

them,

rivets

I feel

:-)

--------------------------------orig.--------------------------------------

Rebel

climb

amphibious

seems

is

GPH

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T L McClary · Post by **T L McClary** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:45 pm

Wayne,

Are your prices in CDN or US and do you have a problem with shipping
across the border?

Terry

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:05:38 -0500 "Wayne G. O'Shea"
<oifa@irishfield.on.ca> writes:

Yes Bob, you are wrong! The plastic washers are my original, not
Murphy's!

To jog your memory, I originally appeared at a builders meeting (4
or 5
years ago) and sold these wear washers ("pogs") to the builders and
later
that year offered them to Murphy through Dave Walker at the TAAS.
Murphy
Aircraft bought a couple thousand from me and I don't know if they
ever put
them in the kits! The latest drawings I saw use little plastic
washers the
same size as steel AN960 washers. My large ones (approx. same
diameter of
spar tube) are more logical and easier to use. If MAM is no longer
suppling
mine, then I am free to sell them again at $5 for a dozen. Buy the
required
50 clip style anchor nuts for the Rebel's tail feather tips @ $1
each and I
will throw in a set of washers for free!

AS for a list of useful parts on my site, the bills from my
Webmaster (son)
are unbearable now! Yesterday, I settled his constant reminder of
"do you
know how much this would cost you", By giving him my 1990 T-Bird
Super Coupe
for services rendered! The list won't happen in the near future, but
we will
see what we can do!!!!

Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: Fuel Line/Fuel Flow

Dave,

We've tried taking notes in the past - also audio taping, etc
.....
The problem is that everyone is so busy participating that the
notes are
pretty much useless, and so many people chime in with suggestions
at the
same time that transcribing is very difficult .... :-(

Several of the things Wayne mentions have been covered in the
past, and
some <WERE> part of the kits at one time - the plastic "pogs" come
to mind.
These are disks of wear-resistant plastic that are placed between
the
control surface & its support (originally first used on the bottom
of
the rudder, to prevent wearing off the rivets !!). I believe these
are
still included, and are available from the factory (of course, I've
been
wrong before ! ;-) ) If not, we can find a source - right, Wayne
?! ;-)
Wayne has recently obtained a HUGE supply of aircraft hardware,
so I'm
sure he can supply all kinds of nut plates - you might check his
web site.
Between us, we'll <try> to put <something> together ......
Possibly
a list of useful parts & their applications on Wayne's site ???

......bobp

--------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------

---

At 11:12 PM 3/10/00 -0800, you wrote:
Wayne

You touched on a few somewhat cryptic topics to discuss at the
Brampton
meeting,
what are the chances of you jotting down a few notes for those of
us who
can't
make Bob's get together. You caught my attention with references
to nut
plates
for inspection covers (OK, fairly self explanitory, but what
size?) 44"
bulkheads, strengthening, aileron hinge bolt one-lug anchor nuts
and
plastic
spacers to keep flap/ailerons from rubbing (I am talking about the
Elite
here, I
believe it is much like the SR).

I am sure your extensive experience building Murphy's Rebel family
would
save
some of us some grief from these notes.

Bob, how about point form notes/minutes of important topics from
the
meeting so
that the larger comunity can attend by proxy? Just a thought from
the
boonies.
Thanks

Dave R.
Elite 583

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

than
some
Anything in
(good and
bad),
44"
square
just WING
it!
bringing the
of Clip
nuts
style from
A/C
Rebels need
about
main
now has
4 of
only! MAM
inspection
bringing
realize,
but
hole is
those
rubbing
rudder/elevator
I sold
them,
S.S. rivets
items I
feel
??? :-)
--------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------

---

for take
to a
Rebel
a nice
climb
amphibious
18 GPH
seems
burn 18
340HP
is
a few
GPH
positive!)
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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:45 pm

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Terry (& All), Prices I quote are of course our useless Canadian Funny
Money!!!!! I must stick to my $50 minimum order(plus S & H) for shipped
items or it is not worth the trip to the hanger, packaging and then driving
to the post office. Also a trip to the bank to deposit the Visa slips and
VISA rips me off for 4.5%. I try to charge the actual postage plus $7.50
handling. In comparison War Aero charges $6 U.S. dollars for handling plus
postage and they don't have to drive to the post office to send it out like
I do!

If items aren't to big, I just put in the mail (with no bills inside) and
mark gift on them to get through customs without charges. Then I mail your
VISA slip and bill in a seperate envelope (if you want a copy of it).

If there is something you want let me know and fax your VISA number and exp.
date, to 705-527-0874 along with a complete shipping address. Do not use
e-mail for your Card number.

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: T L McClary <tlmcclary@juno.com>
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: Plastic Wear Washers

Wayne,

Are your prices in CDN or US and do you have a problem with shipping
across the border?

Terry

On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:05:38 -0500 "Wayne G. O'Shea"
<oifa@irishfield.on.ca> writes:
Yes Bob, you are wrong! The plastic washers are my original, not
Murphy's!

To jog your memory, I originally appeared at a builders meeting (4
or 5
years ago) and sold these wear washers ("pogs") to the builders and
later
that year offered them to Murphy through Dave Walker at the TAAS.
Murphy
Aircraft bought a couple thousand from me and I don't know if they
ever put
them in the kits! The latest drawings I saw use little plastic
washers the
same size as steel AN960 washers. My large ones (approx. same
diameter of
spar tube) are more logical and easier to use. If MAM is no longer
suppling
mine, then I am free to sell them again at $5 for a dozen. Buy the
required
50 clip style anchor nuts for the Rebel's tail feather tips @ $1
each and I
will throw in a set of washers for free!

AS for a list of useful parts on my site, the bills from my
Webmaster (son)
are unbearable now! Yesterday, I settled his constant reminder of
"do you
know how much this would cost you", By giving him my 1990 T-Bird
Super Coupe
for services rendered! The list won't happen in the near future, but
we will
see what we can do!!!!

Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: Fuel Line/Fuel Flow

Dave,

We've tried taking notes in the past - also audio taping, etc
.....
The problem is that everyone is so busy participating that the
notes are
pretty much useless, and so many people chime in with suggestions
at the
same time that transcribing is very difficult .... :-(

Several of the things Wayne mentions have been covered in the
past, and
some <WERE> part of the kits at one time - the plastic "pogs" come
to mind.
These are disks of wear-resistant plastic that are placed between
the
control surface & its support (originally first used on the bottom
of
the rudder, to prevent wearing off the rivets !!). I believe these
are
still included, and are available from the factory (of course, I've
been
wrong before ! ;-) ) If not, we can find a source - right, Wayne
?! ;-)
Wayne has recently obtained a HUGE supply of aircraft hardware,
so I'm
sure he can supply all kinds of nut plates - you might check his
web site.
Between us, we'll <try> to put <something> together ......
Possibly
a list of useful parts & their applications on Wayne's site ???

......bobp

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At 11:12 PM 3/10/00 -0800, you wrote:
Brampton
meeting,
us who
can't
to nut
plates
size?) 44"
and
plastic
Elite
here, I
would
save
the
meeting so
the
boonies.
than
some
Anything in
(good and
bad),
44"
square
just WING
it!
bringing the
of Clip
nuts
style from
A/C
Rebels need
about
main
now has
4 of
only! MAM
inspection
bringing
realize,
but
hole is
those
rubbing
rudder/elevator
I sold
them,
S.S. rivets
items I
feel
??? :-)
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for take
to a
Rebel
a nice
climb
amphibious
18 GPH
seems
burn 18
340HP
is
a few
GPH
positive!)
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