All you irate Moose drivers !!
PLEASE "CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE" !!!!!
I'm really getting pissed about all this whining upsetting
folks with the Murphy tailwheel on their REBELS !!!!
I've owned 3 different Rebels with the MAM tailwheel,
flown them and many others with the STANDARD MURPHY TAILWHEEL
for 15 years, and over 1,500 hours.
The ONLY landing/takeoff problem I've EVER had was :
----> "the loose nut behind the stick" !
IF the Murphy tailwheel is properly maintained, inspected,
and LUBRICATED, it will NOT cause ANY groundloop problems !
This means - keep a grease gun in the hangar, and USE IT every
2 or 3 flights, on the vertical shaft, AND the wheel, AND put
a bit of grease on your finger and wipe it on the bottom of
the slide pin that provides the kick-out action.
I repeat: THERE"S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE STANDARD <REBEL> TAILWHEEL !
For those who have used the Lycoming O-320, or other heavy
engines, and more weight in the rear to balance it, YES - use a
Scott 3200 if you want more weight in the tail, and a better ride,
because of the pneumatic tire ! This is NOT essential, but WILL
give a better experience - IF YOU CHOOSE to do it. There are a
few O-320 Rebels flying happily with the standard tailwheel !
AS for the MOOSE tailwheel - again, I never had a landing/takeoff
problem with any of the factory variations, but the old, narrow
wheel DID lean when pushing on the ground, making it a bit hard to
park easily when alone. This is a big aircraft, and you really
should have 2 people, at least. I suspect that the large tire
(Elite nosewheel) version would eliminate many of the problems.
I DO understand that the fixed mounting of the stinger can
become a problem with the Moose, and likely the Elite, over time.
This is a problem that <the builders> WILL resolve over time, and
the factory might even adapt the builder's fix for new kits...
something they have done in the past, with other suggestions !
Has Cessna EVER even hinted that they MIGHT fix the C-180 & 185 series
gear boxes ??? This is a known problem, discovered in the field,
after years of use ! P-Ponk and others have found a solution...
I have to believe that Murphy, like Cessna, did the best they
could with the initial design. OK, it's not perfect, but who is ??!!
The Moose kit is still one heck of a value buy - check out the market !
I think it was Al Paxia who said : " Guys, this is EXPERIMENTAL !
YOU get to do the design changes !! Let's get on with it !"
(Sorry if I misquoted or mis-attributed - I'm not perfect,
and neither is my memory !)
------- END OF RANT !! --------
Sorry if I offended anyone, but just had to vent ! :-)
......bobp
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On Wednesday 10 August 2005 10:38 am, bscheube@dcsol.com wrote:
tailwheelHello everyone,
It seems that there is a consensus that there is a problem with the
issue?setup on the moose/rebel and that MAM doesn't think so?? I am not that far
into the build yet to have a valid opinion.
But following the posts here I was wondering if we put up a group effort
calling or e-mailing MAM that something might get done to resolve this
timeI would just as soon see this issue resolved one way or the other by the
areI get to that point in my build. I know this doesn't help the people that
likepast this point and going to have to do a retro fit. (either way I would
beto know if I need to make the purchase and spend another $1200.00 or have a
new design from MAM).
Just my thought, let me know what you all think??????
Thanks.
Bob moose/191
-> > Hi Garry,
-> >
-> > I don't have any personal experience with the 2000. If it is a smaller
version of the 3200 I would guess it's a good tail wheel. I think it might
youa little to light for a Rebel though if you plan to use it off pavement.
-> >
-> > Bruce
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: wrightdg <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
-> > Sent: Aug 8, 2005 9:19 PM
-> > To: rebel builders <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > Subject: Re: Rebel tail wheel
-> >
-> > Bruce,
-> >
-> > I take it then that your rational is to go with the Scott for saftey
-> > reasons. What's wrong with the 2000?
-> >
-> > On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 20:55 -0400, Bruce Georgen wrote:
-> > > Garry,
-> > >
-> > > The Scott tail wheel will not break loss and caster on you when you
give the rudder a boot while your landing in a cross wind some day, making
witha weather vane and sending you into a ground loop that will cost you a lot
more than the price of the Scott tail wheel.
-> > >
-> > > I have seen several planes wrecked by a ground loop but never one
Kitfoxa Scott tail wheel. Ever! I have yet to meet a high time experienced tail
wheel pilot who does not endorse the virtues of the Scott tail wheel.
-> > >
-> > > It made all the difference in the handling of my Kitfox and I have
never flown My Rebel without one. I have witness the destruction of two
thewith other types of tail wheels. I'm a believer. So much so I "gave away"
theMaule I removed from the Kitfox to another Kitfox driver who insisted I sell
it to him. didn't have the heart to ask him for money. I tried to convince
him to buy the Scott.
-> > >
-> > > For what it's worth.
-> > >
-> > >
-> > > Bruce
-> > >
-> > > -----Original Message-----
-> > > From: wrightdg <wrightdg@davincibb.net>
-> > > Sent: Aug 8, 2005 12:45 AM
-> > > To: rebel builders <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > > Subject: Re: Rebel tail wheel
-> > >
-> > > It seems to me that most of the group express a preference for Scott
-> > > tailwheels - in spite of the rapidly rising and ridiculous price for
pretty-> > > 3200. It weighs 8# maybe and costs pretty close to $200 Canadian per
-> > > pound. Thats not as much as gold but getting there.
-> > >
-> > > There are two reasons given for the preference for Scott. Primarily
-> > > people point to it and say - it won't give you a tailwheel induced
-> > > ground loop if you maintain it properly. The second thing is the
-> > > pneumatic tire on the 3200 which all who have it delight in. Its
just-> > > hard to get a good handle on which motive predominates but the motive
-> > > should be clear when buying precious metal.
-> > >
-> > > For safety the Scott is said to be superior - go with the 2000. I
I'm-> > > got one used but in good condition on ebay for about $200 Canadian.
thats-> > > not sure about the safety claim but needed the tailwheel anyway so
Which-> > > the way I went.
-> > >
-> > > For comfort, any pneumatic will do. You don't need the gold one.
if-> > > motive are you driven by? Both? Hmmm! Am I missing something here?
-> > >
-> > > Garry
-> > >
-> > > On Sun, 2005-07-08 at 23:08 -0400, Ken wrote:
-> > > > For a Rebel, I thought I'd try a pneumatic Matco at about US$200.
opinionI'm
-> > > > not happy with the MAM unit.
-> > > > We know the Scott works well but it seems a bit pricey!
-> > > > Ken
-> > > >
-> > > > Bruce Georgen wrote:
-> > > >
-> > > > >Ian,
-> > > > >
-> > > > >Take the MAM tail wheel off and throw it away before you destroy
your whole planewith it! Or give it to your worst enemey. Then buy a Scott
3200. It will be the best insurance policy you ever bought. That's my
flyand the same advice I recieved from a very experienced pilot who would not
in my first project (Kitfox with a Maule tail wheel) until I changed it. He
was right.
-> > > > >
-> > > > >
-> > > > >Bruce
-> > > > >
-> > > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
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