engine alternatives

[Jones, Michael]

hi all

has anyone seen and/or considered the following engine for their rebel

http://www.aircraftenginespecialists.com/index.htm

360 cubic inch hp engine 180 hp from aircraft engine specialists, brand new
engine not rebuild, 19,000 usd

mike#007

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[Legeorgen]

Mike,

Well, you know MAM doesn't endorse the 0360 for the Rebel but there is not
much weight difference between the 0320 and the 0360. Maybe 20 lb. ?. I would
seriously consider it if I was building again. I know Walter has mentioned
using a 0360 if he did it again.

Bruce




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[Walter Klatt]

I am even tempted to swap out my existing 0320 for an 0360. But
kind of hard to justify with a perfectly running 0320 with only
280 hours since the last overhaul. There are a number of new
experimental Lycoming clones available now, and they sound better
and lighter than their certified equivalents. Superior has an
XP360 version that is only 275 pounds. I wouldn't be surprised if
I could replace mine with an 0360 that is the same weight or
possibly even lighter with some of the new acc options and carbon
fiber sump. And with electronic ign and maybe higher compression,
get more than 180 hp.

Then I just might be able to make it into Snow Cap lake here
(actually it's getting out that is the problem) which for now is
only accessible by a very elite few floatplanes.

Walter

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Subject: Re: engine alternatives


Mike,

Well, you know MAM doesn't endorse the 0360 for the
Rebel but there is not
much weight difference between the 0320 and the 0360.
Maybe 20 lb. ?. I would
seriously consider it if I was building again. I know
Walter has mentioned
using a 0360 if he did it again.

Bruce




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[Terry Dazey]

Walter:

Here are the engine specifications for Lycoming:

O320 A,E / 150HP / 244 Dry Weight

O320 B,D / 160HP / 255 Dry Weight

(L)O360 F / 180HP / 265 Dry Weight

O360 F / 180HP / 270 Dry Weight

Check it at:
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.js ... ineSelecti
onGuide/index.html

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Superior XP360 / 275 to 295 (depending on model)

The above is taken from the specification sheet at:

http://www.superiorairparts.com/xp360.asp

It is getting late and I could not locate the weight specifications for each
model for the Superior. They also state that the XPO320 is under
development. I emailed them concerning an approximate release date for the
O320.

You are correct. With lightweight starter, alternator, direct mounted
spin-on oil filter etc. installed, one will keep the weight pretty low.

Whatever way I go with the engine, I am planning on lightweight everything.

Food for thought . . .

Later.
Terry Dazey
Rebel 662

PS: Are you planning Arlington this year? If so, what days?

From: Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:21:28 -0700
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: engine alternatives

I am even tempted to swap out my existing 0320 for an 0360. But
kind of hard to justify with a perfectly running 0320 with only
280 hours since the last overhaul. There are a number of new
experimental Lycoming clones available now, and they sound better
and lighter than their certified equivalents. Superior has an
XP360 version that is only 275 pounds. I wouldn't be surprised if
I could replace mine with an 0360 that is the same weight or
possibly even lighter with some of the new acc options and carbon
fiber sump. And with electronic ign and maybe higher compression,
get more than 180 hp.

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[Walter Klatt]

I am planning to be at Arlington on the Saturday. Can't remember
if you cut back your firewall 3 inches, but I did that, so that
also helps handle the weight of a larger engine. I could also do
a new cowl, as mine has been reworked so many times, I'm sure it
packs an extra 5 or 10 pounds. There are others that produce the
0320, too, can't remember who exactly right now, but have seen it
on the net.

Walter

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Terry Dazey
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:08 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: engine alternatives



Walter:

Here are the engine specifications for Lycoming:

O320 A,E / 150HP / 244 Dry Weight

O320 B,D / 160HP / 255 Dry Weight

(L)O360 F / 180HP / 265 Dry Weight

O360 F / 180HP / 270 Dry Weight

Check it at:
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.jsp?bodyPage=produ
ctSales/engineSelecti
onGuide/index.html

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * * * * * * *

Superior XP360 / 275 to 295 (depending on model)

The above is taken from the specification sheet at:

http://www.superiorairparts.com/xp360.asp

It is getting late and I could not locate the weight
specifications for each
model for the Superior. They also state that the
XPO320 is under
development. I emailed them concerning an approximate
release date for the
O320.

You are correct. With lightweight starter, alternator,
direct mounted
spin-on oil filter etc. installed, one will keep the
weight pretty low.

Whatever way I go with the engine, I am planning on
lightweight everything.

Food for thought . . .

Later.
Terry Dazey
Rebel 662

PS: Are you planning Arlington this year? If so, what days?

From: Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:21:28 -0700
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: engine alternatives

I am even tempted to swap out my existing 0320 for

an 0360. But

kind of hard to justify with a perfectly running

0320 with only

280 hours since the last overhaul. There are a number of new
experimental Lycoming clones available now, and they

sound better

and lighter than their certified equivalents. Superior has an
XP360 version that is only 275 pounds. I wouldn't be

surprised if

I could replace mine with an 0360 that is the same weight or
possibly even lighter with some of the new acc

options and carbon

fiber sump. And with electronic ign and maybe higher

compression,

get more than 180 hp.

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[Terry Dazey]

Walter:

I have the standard firewall, so I am thinking that O320 with all
lightweight accessories will do fine. I am starting to think about
purchasing an O320 in the near future.

We have our annual Canard BBQ on Friday evening, so, WX permitting, I am
at AWO Friday with a possible camping I will be looking forward to
seeing you and other Rebels at the affair.

Terry Dazey
Rebel 662

Walter Klatt wrote:

I am planning to be at Arlington on the Saturday. Can't remember
if you cut back your firewall 3 inches, but I did that, so that
also helps handle the weight of a larger engine. I could also do
a new cowl, as mine has been reworked so many times, I'm sure it
packs an extra 5 or 10 pounds. There are others that produce the
0320, too, can't remember who exactly right now, but have seen it
on the net.

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[Ken]

They impressed me at Sun'n Fun. Seem to know what they are doing and the
builder assist education thing where you assemble it in their factory to
learn about it sounded great.
Ken

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hi all

has anyone seen and/or considered the following engine for their rebel

http://www.aircraftenginespecialists.com/index.htm

360 cubic inch hp engine 180 hp from aircraft engine specialists, brand new
engine not rebuild, 19,000 usd

mike#007

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[Jones, Michael]

hi ken

do you think rebel could take a 360, stress on tail & such things ??

mike#007

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Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:51 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: engine alternatives


They impressed me at Sun'n Fun. Seem to know what they are doing and the
builder assist education thing where you assemble it in their factory to
learn about it sounded great.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:

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hi all

has anyone seen and/or considered the following engine for their rebel

http://www.aircraftenginespecialists.com/index.htm

360 cubic inch hp engine 180 hp from aircraft engine specialists, brand new
engine not rebuild, 19,000 usd

mike#007

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[Drew Dalgleish]

ECI is selling an 0-320 kit engine now for abou 17500us$ I think the
lycoming weights seem light because they probably don't include any
accessories. The plastic and carbon fibre sumps that I've found on the web
are all for injected engines Though saving 7lbs and having cooler intake
air would be sweet.

Check out WWW.ECI2fly.com

At 11:07 PM 6/8/2005 -0700, you wrote:

Walter:

Here are the engine specifications for Lycoming:

O320 A,E / 150HP / 244 Dry Weight

O320 B,D / 160HP / 255 Dry Weight

(L)O360 F / 180HP / 265 Dry Weight

O360 F / 180HP / 270 Dry Weight

Check it at:
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.js ... ineSelecti
onGuide/index.html

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Superior XP360 / 275 to 295 (depending on model)

The above is taken from the specification sheet at:

http://www.superiorairparts.com/xp360.asp

It is getting late and I could not locate the weight specifications for each
model for the Superior. They also state that the XPO320 is under
development. I emailed them concerning an approximate release date for the
O320.

You are correct. With lightweight starter, alternator, direct mounted
spin-on oil filter etc. installed, one will keep the weight pretty low.

Whatever way I go with the engine, I am planning on lightweight everything.

Food for thought . . .

Later.
Terry Dazey
Rebel 662

PS: Are you planning Arlington this year? If so, what days?

From: Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:21:28 -0700
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: engine alternatives

I am even tempted to swap out my existing 0320 for an 0360. But
kind of hard to justify with a perfectly running 0320 with only
280 hours since the last overhaul. There are a number of new
experimental Lycoming clones available now, and they sound better
and lighter than their certified equivalents. Superior has an
XP360 version that is only 275 pounds. I wouldn't be surprised if
I could replace mine with an 0360 that is the same weight or
possibly even lighter with some of the new acc options and carbon
fiber sump. And with electronic ign and maybe higher compression,
get more than 180 hp.

Drew





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[Jones, Michael]

hey drew

can you provide links for these light weight sumps

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Drew Dalgleish
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:02 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: engine alternatives


ECI is selling an 0-320 kit engine now for abou 17500us$ I think the
lycoming weights seem light because they probably don't include any
accessories. The plastic and carbon fibre sumps that I've found on the web
are all for injected engines Though saving 7lbs and having cooler intake
air would be sweet.

Check out WWW.ECI2fly.com

At 11:07 PM 6/8/2005 -0700, you wrote:

Walter:

Here are the engine specifications for Lycoming:

O320 A,E / 150HP / 244 Dry Weight

O320 B,D / 160HP / 255 Dry Weight

(L)O360 F / 180HP / 265 Dry Weight

O360 F / 180HP / 270 Dry Weight

Check it at:
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/main.js ... gineSelect

i

onGuide/index.html

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

*

Superior XP360 / 275 to 295 (depending on model)

The above is taken from the specification sheet at:

http://www.superiorairparts.com/xp360.asp

It is getting late and I could not locate the weight specifications for

each

model for the Superior. They also state that the XPO320 is under
development. I emailed them concerning an approximate release date for the
O320.

You are correct. With lightweight starter, alternator, direct mounted
spin-on oil filter etc. installed, one will keep the weight pretty low.

Whatever way I go with the engine, I am planning on lightweight everything.

Food for thought . . .

Later.
Terry Dazey
Rebel 662

PS: Are you planning Arlington this year? If so, what days?

From: Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:21:28 -0700
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: engine alternatives

I am even tempted to swap out my existing 0320 for an 0360. But
kind of hard to justify with a perfectly running 0320 with only
280 hours since the last overhaul. There are a number of new
experimental Lycoming clones available now, and they sound better
and lighter than their certified equivalents. Superior has an
XP360 version that is only 275 pounds. I wouldn't be surprised if
I could replace mine with an 0360 that is the same weight or
possibly even lighter with some of the new acc options and carbon
fiber sump. And with electronic ign and maybe higher compression,
get more than 180 hp.

Drew





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