Moose/3500 Tail Wheel Info Needed

Brent Blue · Post by **Brent Blue** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

All:

I have had a problem with the tail wheel on the Moose that I know from
other builders has been a problem. It has to do with the tail wheel angle
being not at 90 degree or aft which makes it shimmy like crazy--even hard
to push around the floor of the hangar.

I talked to Darryl Murphy who flat out denied this was a problem and said
only one other builder has complained about this problem. I know for a
fact that it has been a problem on several aircraft (many others are on
floats or amphibs so it is moot for them). I told Darryl I would be glad
to do a survey of people who have had problems and had to make changes to
their tail wheels to fix this issue.

Please let me know if you have had a problem, made a fix, or if you have
not had a problem. Also let me know if you have informed Darryl of the
problem since he says only one owner has called about this.

I am getting pretty fed up with the factory on issues like this.

Thanks.

Brent
Moose 088

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Steve Halvorsen · Post by **Steve Halvorsen** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

Hello Brent:
We have problems with our tail wheel on our moose just trying to push it around in the hangar.
Have tried lowering the stinger to the bottom hole to try and get the axis of the tail wheel angle to 90 deg. Still not enough. Have not put in a lot of time on this as we are still building. Soon we will have to address this problem. Have NOT contacted MAM about this as of yet.

Always open for any suggestions on the correct way to fix any of the problems anyone has found with the moose.

Steve H
Moose 213

Brent Blue <brentblue@wyoming.com> wrote:
All:

I have had a problem with the tail wheel on the Moose that I know from
other builders has been a problem. It has to do with the tail wheel angle
being not at 90 degree or aft which makes it shimmy like crazy--even hard
to push around the floor of the hangar.

I talked to Darryl Murphy who flat out denied this was a problem and said
only one other builder has complained about this problem. I know for a
fact that it has been a problem on several aircraft (many others are on
floats or amphibs so it is moot for them). I told Darryl I would be glad
to do a survey of people who have had problems and had to make changes to
their tail wheels to fix this issue.

Please let me know if you have had a problem, made a fix, or if you have
not had a problem. Also let me know if you have informed Darryl of the
problem since he says only one owner has called about this.

I am getting pretty fed up with the factory on issues like this.

Thanks.

Brent
Moose 088

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carol and murray cherkas · Post by **carol and murray cherkas** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

Hello Brent:

I built a Rebel. Had to take about 17* of bend out of the tail spring to
make the bolt vertical. This of course is a must do.

Good Luck

Murray

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Skytrucks · Post by **Skytrucks** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

Anybody can take one look at this and see it will not work. I made a
completely longer front mount with more holes, but it still may not be enough.
Larry Luckinbill
SR117 Moose

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Ryan Mowat · Post by **Ryan Mowat** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:32 am

I flew mine for 40 hours, and it worked OK even though the pivot plane
was not coplanar with the earth. But the ultimate fix was to put in on
Montana Amphib floats.

Ryan Mowat, P.Eng.
30528 1A Greatnorthern Ave
Abbotsford, BC V2T 6H4
(604) 556-7222 (ext 307), (604) 556-7215 (Fax)

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Anybody can take one look at this and see it will not work. I made a
completely longer front mount with more holes, but it still may not be
enough.
Larry Luckinbill
SR117 Moose

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Scott Aldrich · Post by **Scott Aldrich** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:32 am

Brent, I don't have mine in yet. But I have heard it is a problem, I have
pictures of at least two Moose that have bent (purposely <grin>) their tail
stingers to flatten out the angle of the stinger. I suspect there is a
bunch more out there like that.

Scott
Moose 174

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Subject: Moose/3500 Tail Wheel Info Needed

All:

I have had a problem with the tail wheel on the Moose that I know from
other builders has been a problem. It has to do with the tail wheel angle
being not at 90 degree or aft which makes it shimmy like crazy--even hard
to push around the floor of the hangar.

I talked to Darryl Murphy who flat out denied this was a problem and said
only one other builder has complained about this problem. I know for a
fact that it has been a problem on several aircraft (many others are on
floats or amphibs so it is moot for them). I told Darryl I would be glad
to do a survey of people who have had problems and had to make changes to
their tail wheels to fix this issue.

Please let me know if you have had a problem, made a fix, or if you have
not had a problem. Also let me know if you have informed Darryl of the
problem since he says only one owner has called about this.

I am getting pretty fed up with the factory on issues like this.

Thanks.

Brent
Moose 088

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Brent Blue · Post by **Brent Blue** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:32 am

I guess the problem is that without the factory acknowledging the problem
(or any others except for the leaking quick build tanks), we don't have any
criteria to have the stinger bent. It also needs heat treating with the
bending.

I am assembling this data to send to Darryl to try to get some support.

BB

At 02:15 PM 5/24/2005 -0600, you wrote:

Brent, I don't have mine in yet. But I have heard it is a problem, I have
pictures of at least two Moose that have bent (purposely <grin>) their tail
stingers to flatten out the angle of the stinger. I suspect there is a
bunch more out there like that.

Scott
Moose 174

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Subject: Moose/3500 Tail Wheel Info Needed

All:

I have had a problem with the tail wheel on the Moose that I know from
other builders has been a problem. It has to do with the tail wheel angle
being not at 90 degree or aft which makes it shimmy like crazy--even hard
to push around the floor of the hangar.

I talked to Darryl Murphy who flat out denied this was a problem and said
only one other builder has complained about this problem. I know for a
fact that it has been a problem on several aircraft (many others are on
floats or amphibs so it is moot for them). I told Darryl I would be glad
to do a survey of people who have had problems and had to make changes to
their tail wheels to fix this issue.

Please let me know if you have had a problem, made a fix, or if you have
not had a problem. Also let me know if you have informed Darryl of the
problem since he says only one owner has called about this.

I am getting pretty fed up with the factory on issues like this.

Thanks.

Brent
Moose 088

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Dick Shotwell · Post by **Dick Shotwell** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:32 am

Hi Brent,
I thought I would throw my two cents in on the tail wheel issue. Our tail
wheel post is not perpendicular to the ground either. So moving the
airplane around on the ground requires a little more effort than it should.
However, when taxiing, this has not proved to be much of a problem. If we
make a turn and unlock the tail wheel, then attempt to move straight forward
again, we must apply a little power and rudder to get it locked again. At
first, this bothered me. But now that I'm used to it, it has just become a
nuisance. It has never been a problem on landing however the tail wheel has
never become unlocked on landing either. I suppose, under certain
conditions, it could offer some challenge. Once again, I think this is an
inherent design problem because the post SHOULD be straight. We thought
about having the stinger bent and re-annealed but after conferring with the
local shop that has helped us so much, we decided against it. The mechanic
took us on a tour of several ag cats and pointed out that the tail posts had
varying degrees of being perpendicular. He also pointed out that as we fly
more and begin to load the Moose, the stinger will bend naturally and will
become less of a problem over time. So there you have my two cents worth---
probably worth less than a penny.
Good luck,
Dick and Dave Shotwell
Moose 096
N235DS
Twin Falls, ID
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Subject: Moose/3500 Tail Wheel Info Needed

All:

I have had a problem with the tail wheel on the Moose that I know from
other builders has been a problem. It has to do with the tail wheel angle
being not at 90 degree or aft which makes it shimmy like crazy--even hard
to push around the floor of the hangar.

I talked to Darryl Murphy who flat out denied this was a problem and said
only one other builder has complained about this problem. I know for a
fact that it has been a problem on several aircraft (many others are on
floats or amphibs so it is moot for them). I told Darryl I would be glad
to do a survey of people who have had problems and had to make changes to
their tail wheels to fix this issue.

Please let me know if you have had a problem, made a fix, or if you have
not had a problem. Also let me know if you have informed Darryl of the
problem since he says only one owner has called about this.

I am getting pretty fed up with the factory on issues like this.

Thanks.

Brent
Moose 088

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Brent Blue · Post by **Brent Blue** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:32 am

Dick and everyone:

Thanks for the input. I will forward it all on to Darryl.

Brent

At 05:52 AM 5/25/2005 -0600, you wrote:

Hi Brent,
I thought I would throw my two cents in on the tail wheel issue. Our tail
wheel post is not perpendicular to the ground either. So moving the
airplane around on the ground requires a little more effort than it should.
However, when taxiing, this has not proved to be much of a problem. If we
make a turn and unlock the tail wheel, then attempt to move straight forward
again, we must apply a little power and rudder to get it locked again. At
first, this bothered me. But now that I'm used to it, it has just become a
nuisance. It has never been a problem on landing however the tail wheel has
never become unlocked on landing either. I suppose, under certain
conditions, it could offer some challenge. Once again, I think this is an
inherent design problem because the post SHOULD be straight. We thought
about having the stinger bent and re-annealed but after conferring with the
local shop that has helped us so much, we decided against it. The mechanic
took us on a tour of several ag cats and pointed out that the tail posts had
varying degrees of being perpendicular. He also pointed out that as we fly
more and begin to load the Moose, the stinger will bend naturally and will
become less of a problem over time. So there you have my two cents worth---
probably worth less than a penny.
Good luck,
Dick and Dave Shotwell
Moose 096
N235DS
Twin Falls, ID
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Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 23:00 PM
Subject: Moose/3500 Tail Wheel Info Needed

All:

I have had a problem with the tail wheel on the Moose that I know from
other builders has been a problem. It has to do with the tail wheel angle
being not at 90 degree or aft which makes it shimmy like crazy--even hard
to push around the floor of the hangar.

I talked to Darryl Murphy who flat out denied this was a problem and said
only one other builder has complained about this problem. I know for a
fact that it has been a problem on several aircraft (many others are on
floats or amphibs so it is moot for them). I told Darryl I would be glad
to do a survey of people who have had problems and had to make changes to
their tail wheels to fix this issue.

Please let me know if you have had a problem, made a fix, or if you have
not had a problem. Also let me know if you have informed Darryl of the
problem since he says only one owner has called about this.

I am getting pretty fed up with the factory on issues like this.

Thanks.

Brent
Moose 088

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