Rebel 0145R

[Frank Arndt]

Hi gang,
I thought it was time to come out of hiding and make myself known. My
name is Frank Arndt and I live in Sarnia, Ont. (about 3hrs west of Toronto,
right on the US border). I bought 145R in Orangeville, Ont 90% complete less
engine and hanging way up from the rafters. The workmanship was quite good
in my opinion.
I would like to say that this mail list has been a great resource of
idea's and opinions with your primary aim focused on saftey, which it should
be. I am starting to feel real guilty for absorbing all your ideas but
offering the list nothing, so here goes:
I am not a "HorsePower nut" so my engine choice would probably not suit
most people on the list. I have decided to give the Subaru EA-81 a fair try
at Rebel 145R. I am currently flying a Karatoo (with another EA-81) which is
overweight 970lbs+ and extreamely nose heavy as the airframe was not
intended for this engine. All that said, it flies not too bad and I figure I
have to get better performance in 145R. I am almost finished my little
project with some instruments and paint left to do. 145R is relatively light
(under 800lbs when complete, I hope!) and has all the safety modifications
done. All my flying will be on wheels, most of it solo and I'm not planning
any round the world trips, just a little air-time is what I am after. I am
hoping my new engine produces 85 to 90 HP, (I don't quite buy the 105HP
advertized) and I would be quite happy bumping along at 80 mph.
I don't want to bore you so I will shutup now.
I would love to hear your thoughts, (good or bad) and if there is anyone out
there trying to do something similar I have lots of digital JPG's of 145R,
mostly the engine installation. Also I will share all my performance data
(good or bad) so anyone interested will learn from my experience.

Special thanks to Bob Patterson and Dave Bangle for your opinions up front
and honest.

Frank



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[Bob Patterson]

Glad you spoke up !! I'm sure there is interest here in the Subaru.
There are a LOT of people who just want to fly cheaply and have fun, so
I'm sure you're going to LOVE that Rebel !

Hope you get lots of requests for the photos for posting here & at
Wray's ....

Not to scare you, but the comment about buying a partly-built kit
reminded me -

Just a thought - for anyone buying a 'almost finished' Rebel -
especially the early ones ....

The old manuals had a 'cut-away' drawing of the fuel tanks which
DID NOT show the stringers in the top of the tank. Some Rebels were
actually built with the top stringers cut out of this area !!! This
would be EXTREMELY dangerous - like cutting the main spars ! PLEASE
inspect this area carefully - there are still some out there like this !
And there are some that were "patched up" when the builders realized the
problem - BEWARE !! This MAY be why they are selling cheap !!

There are ways to do a repair, but it will involve a lot of disassembly
and close work with the factory - they WILL be pleased to help !

Anybody out there with a 912 or a small Subaru who can give Frank
some encouragement about how well the Rebel flies with smaller engines ???
We sure enjoy ours with the 912 !! Cheap FUN flying !! :-)

.....bobp

--------------------------------orig.------------------------------------
At 08:13 PM 1/27/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hi gang,
I thought it was time to come out of hiding and make myself known. My
name is Frank Arndt and I live in Sarnia, Ont. (about 3hrs west of Toronto,
right on the US border). I bought 145R in Orangeville, Ont 90% complete less
engine and hanging way up from the rafters. The workmanship was quite good
in my opinion.
I would like to say that this mail list has been a great resource of
idea's and opinions with your primary aim focused on saftey, which it should
be. I am starting to feel real guilty for absorbing all your ideas but
offering the list nothing, so here goes:
I am not a "HorsePower nut" so my engine choice would probably not suit
most people on the list. I have decided to give the Subaru EA-81 a fair try
at Rebel 145R. I am currently flying a Karatoo (with another EA-81) which is
overweight 970lbs+ and extreamely nose heavy as the airframe was not
intended for this engine. All that said, it flies not too bad and I figure I
have to get better performance in 145R. I am almost finished my little
project with some instruments and paint left to do. 145R is relatively light
(under 800lbs when complete, I hope!) and has all the safety modifications
done. All my flying will be on wheels, most of it solo and I'm not planning
any round the world trips, just a little air-time is what I am after. I am
hoping my new engine produces 85 to 90 HP, (I don't quite buy the 105HP
advertized) and I would be quite happy bumping along at 80 mph.
I don't want to bore you so I will shutup now.
I would love to hear your thoughts, (good or bad) and if there is anyone out
there trying to do something similar I have lots of digital JPG's of 145R,
mostly the engine installation. Also I will share all my performance data
(good or bad) so anyone interested will learn from my experience.

Special thanks to Bob Patterson and Dave Bangle for your opinions up front
and honest.

Frank



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[Frank Arndt]

Thanks Bob,
"stringers in the top of the tank" yup, they are there, (thanks) As
things like that pop into your head, please throw them at me, so far the
fixes you mentioned are completed.
The gentleman in Orangeville that built my Rebel previously built one with
daughter, I believe it is hers. He let me in his/her well locked hanger to
take a look, what a beauty. This plane didn't even look like a Rebel, every
rivet and aluminum edge had filler in it to give it a smooth look, Bright
purple paint that looked better than my car and the interior was incredible.
I asked why he hadn't sent a picture or entered it in a competition but he
had no interest in doing that.
Taking a look at some of his work, gave me a lot of confidence about how
my Rebel was built. (I'm sure I would not have been able to do that quality
of workmanship myself)!!

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Glad you spoke up !! I'm sure there is interest here in the Subaru.
There are a LOT of people who just want to fly cheaply and have fun, so
I'm sure you're going to LOVE that Rebel !

Hope you get lots of requests for the photos for posting here & at
Wray's ....

Not to scare you, but the comment about buying a partly-built kit
reminded me -

Just a thought - for anyone buying a 'almost finished' Rebel -
especially the early ones ....

The old manuals had a 'cut-away' drawing of the fuel tanks which
DID NOT show the stringers in the top of the tank. Some Rebels were
actually built with the top stringers cut out of this area !!! This
would be EXTREMELY dangerous - like cutting the main spars ! PLEASE
inspect this area carefully - there are still some out there like this !
And there are some that were "patched up" when the builders realized the
problem - BEWARE !! This MAY be why they are selling cheap !!

There are ways to do a repair, but it will involve a lot of

disassembly

and close work with the factory - they WILL be pleased to help !

Anybody out there with a 912 or a small Subaru who can give Frank
some encouragement about how well the Rebel flies with smaller engines ???
We sure enjoy ours with the 912 !! Cheap FUN flying !! :-)

.....bobp

--------------------------------orig.------------------------------------
At 08:13 PM 1/27/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hi gang,
I thought it was time to come out of hiding and make myself known. My
name is Frank Arndt and I live in Sarnia, Ont. (about 3hrs west of

Toronto,

right on the US border). I bought 145R in Orangeville, Ont 90% complete

less

engine and hanging way up from the rafters. The workmanship was quite

good

in my opinion.
I would like to say that this mail list has been a great resource of
idea's and opinions with your primary aim focused on saftey, which it

should

be. I am starting to feel real guilty for absorbing all your ideas but
offering the list nothing, so here goes:
I am not a "HorsePower nut" so my engine choice would probably not

suit

most people on the list. I have decided to give the Subaru EA-81 a fair

try

at Rebel 145R. I am currently flying a Karatoo (with another EA-81) which

is

overweight 970lbs+ and extreamely nose heavy as the airframe was not
intended for this engine. All that said, it flies not too bad and I

figure I

have to get better performance in 145R. I am almost finished my little
project with some instruments and paint left to do. 145R is relatively

light

(under 800lbs when complete, I hope!) and has all the safety

modifications

done. All my flying will be on wheels, most of it solo and I'm not

planning

any round the world trips, just a little air-time is what I am after. I

am

hoping my new engine produces 85 to 90 HP, (I don't quite buy the 105HP
advertized) and I would be quite happy bumping along at 80 mph.
I don't want to bore you so I will shutup now.
I would love to hear your thoughts, (good or bad) and if there is anyone

out

there trying to do something similar I have lots of digital JPG's of

145R,

mostly the engine installation. Also I will share all my performance data
(good or bad) so anyone interested will learn from my experience.

Special thanks to Bob Patterson and Dave Bangle for your opinions up

front

and honest.

Frank



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Frank, just trying to help you out in the same manner as Bob to make sure
you have a safe A/C.

If the flaperons are covered already, give them a pinch somewhere
inconspicuous and see if the "paint" shatters off them! If it does strip
them and cover them properly following the entire Polyfiber System (and not
just starting out with the roll of polyester that came with the kit and
using unknown substances on them). You don't want to repeat the Steve
Wittman thing! I have recovered some flaperons that were done where you
bought the aircraft.(lets leave it there as those that don't know where,
don't need too) No polybrush or polyspray was used on the fabric. The fabric
was installed/shrunk and then simply coated with Plastithane. They were then
coated with Durathane Min-Wax as recommended by the fabric installer. If you
flex the fabric, the coating will shatter off it leaving perfectly bare and
virgin polyester fabric(with absolutely no sign of adhesion anywhere.) IF I
make the March rebel meeting in Brampton, I will bring samples of this and
some proper Polyfiber system coating/fabric that I have. With the Polyfiber
system followed start to finish, you can bunch it up in a ball and not even
effect the coating. (Jack Weibes work, by the way)

The important thing here for everyone, is that if you trust (read pay $$$)
someone to do work for you, make sure they can prove that they followed the
proper system. EVERY STEP!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Thanks Bob,
"stringers in the top of the tank" yup, they are there, (thanks) As
things like that pop into your head, please throw them at me, so far the
fixes you mentioned are completed.
The gentleman in Orangeville that built my Rebel previously built one with
daughter, I believe it is hers. He let me in his/her well locked hanger to

take a look, what a beauty. This plane didn't even look like a Rebel, every
rivet and aluminum edge had filler in it to give it a smooth look, Bright
purple paint that looked better than my car and the interior was

incredible.

I asked why he hadn't sent a picture or entered it in a competition but he
had no interest in doing that.
Taking a look at some of his work, gave me a lot of confidence about how
my Rebel was built. (I'm sure I would not have been able to do that quality
of workmanship myself)!!

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Glad you spoke up !! I'm sure there is interest here in the Subaru.
There are a LOT of people who just want to fly cheaply and have fun, so
I'm sure you're going to LOVE that Rebel !

Hope you get lots of requests for the photos for posting here & at
Wray's ....

Not to scare you, but the comment about buying a partly-built kit
reminded me -

Just a thought - for anyone buying a 'almost finished' Rebel -
especially the early ones ....

The old manuals had a 'cut-away' drawing of the fuel tanks which
DID NOT show the stringers in the top of the tank. Some Rebels were
actually built with the top stringers cut out of this area !!! This
would be EXTREMELY dangerous - like cutting the main spars ! PLEASE
inspect this area carefully - there are still some out there like this !
And there are some that were "patched up" when the builders realized the
problem - BEWARE !! This MAY be why they are selling cheap !!

There are ways to do a repair, but it will involve a lot of

disassembly

and close work with the factory - they WILL be pleased to help !

Anybody out there with a 912 or a small Subaru who can give Frank
some encouragement about how well the Rebel flies with smaller engines

???

We sure enjoy ours with the 912 !! Cheap FUN flying !! :-)

.....bobp

--------------------------------orig.------------------------------------
At 08:13 PM 1/27/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hi gang,
I thought it was time to come out of hiding and make myself known. My
name is Frank Arndt and I live in Sarnia, Ont. (about 3hrs west of

Toronto,

right on the US border). I bought 145R in Orangeville, Ont 90% complete

less

engine and hanging way up from the rafters. The workmanship was quite

good

in my opinion.
I would like to say that this mail list has been a great resource of
idea's and opinions with your primary aim focused on saftey, which it

should

be. I am starting to feel real guilty for absorbing all your ideas but
offering the list nothing, so here goes:
I am not a "HorsePower nut" so my engine choice would probably not

suit

most people on the list. I have decided to give the Subaru EA-81 a fair

try

at Rebel 145R. I am currently flying a Karatoo (with another EA-81)

which

is

overweight 970lbs+ and extreamely nose heavy as the airframe was not
intended for this engine. All that said, it flies not too bad and I

figure I

have to get better performance in 145R. I am almost finished my little
project with some instruments and paint left to do. 145R is relatively

light

(under 800lbs when complete, I hope!) and has all the safety

modifications

done. All my flying will be on wheels, most of it solo and I'm not

planning

any round the world trips, just a little air-time is what I am after. I

am

hoping my new engine produces 85 to 90 HP, (I don't quite buy the 105HP
advertized) and I would be quite happy bumping along at 80 mph.
I don't want to bore you so I will shutup now.
I would love to hear your thoughts, (good or bad) and if there is anyone

out

there trying to do something similar I have lots of digital JPG's of

145R,

mostly the engine installation. Also I will share all my performance

data

(good or bad) so anyone interested will learn from my experience.

Special thanks to Bob Patterson and Dave Bangle for your opinions up

front

and honest.

Frank



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[Frank Arndt]

Thanks,
Good thing you brought that up. they are covered, they look well done and
are dull green in color (primer?).
I will do as you say but it's going to be hard to find a small area to pinch
as they were quite neatly trimmed and are very tight. I will try when I get
a path cleared through the snow to my garage!

aside--
I will also planning to use these instruments "Microflite-1000 series"
was going to order in two weeks. Please let me know if anyone has had
problems with these, I was attracted to the price, obviously!.
Someone made mention of a compass from Radio Shack, is this ok for use in
a homebuilt?
Also while I'm typing, what about a fire extinguisher and first aid kit are
these mandatory, if so, any ideas?


Thanks
Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Frank, just trying to help you out in the same manner as Bob to make sure
you have a safe A/C.

If the flaperons are covered already, give them a pinch somewhere
inconspicuous and see if the "paint" shatters off them! If it does strip
them and cover them properly following the entire Polyfiber System (and

not

just starting out with the roll of polyester that came with the kit and
using unknown substances on them). You don't want to repeat the Steve
Wittman thing! I have recovered some flaperons that were done where you
bought the aircraft.(lets leave it there as those that don't know where,
don't need too) No polybrush or polyspray was used on the fabric. The

fabric

was installed/shrunk and then simply coated with Plastithane. They were

then

coated with Durathane Min-Wax as recommended by the fabric installer. If

you

flex the fabric, the coating will shatter off it leaving perfectly bare

and

virgin polyester fabric(with absolutely no sign of adhesion anywhere.) IF

I

make the March rebel meeting in Brampton, I will bring samples of this and
some proper Polyfiber system coating/fabric that I have. With the

Polyfiber

system followed start to finish, you can bunch it up in a ball and not

even

effect the coating. (Jack Weibes work, by the way)

The important thing here for everyone, is that if you trust (read pay $$$)
someone to do work for you, make sure they can prove that they followed

the

proper system. EVERY STEP!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Thanks Bob,
"stringers in the top of the tank" yup, they are there, (thanks) As
things like that pop into your head, please throw them at me, so far the
fixes you mentioned are completed.
The gentleman in Orangeville that built my Rebel previously built one

with

daughter, I believe it is hers. He let me in his/her well locked hanger

to

take a look, what a beauty. This plane didn't even look like a Rebel,

every

rivet and aluminum edge had filler in it to give it a smooth look, Bright
purple paint that looked better than my car and the interior was

incredible.

I asked why he hadn't sent a picture or entered it in a competition but

he

had no interest in doing that.
Taking a look at some of his work, gave me a lot of confidence about

how

my Rebel was built. (I'm sure I would not have been able to do that

quality

of workmanship myself)!!

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Glad you spoke up !! I'm sure there is interest here in the Subaru.
There are a LOT of people who just want to fly cheaply and have fun, so
I'm sure you're going to LOVE that Rebel !

Hope you get lots of requests for the photos for posting here & at
Wray's ....

Not to scare you, but the comment about buying a partly-built kit
reminded me -

Just a thought - for anyone buying a 'almost finished' Rebel -
especially the early ones ....

The old manuals had a 'cut-away' drawing of the fuel tanks which
DID NOT show the stringers in the top of the tank. Some Rebels were
actually built with the top stringers cut out of this area !!! This
would be EXTREMELY dangerous - like cutting the main spars ! PLEASE
inspect this area carefully - there are still some out there like this

!

And there are some that were "patched up" when the builders realized

the

problem - BEWARE !! This MAY be why they are selling cheap !!

There are ways to do a repair, but it will involve a lot of

disassembly

and close work with the factory - they WILL be pleased to help !

Anybody out there with a 912 or a small Subaru who can give Frank
some encouragement about how well the Rebel flies with smaller engines

???

We sure enjoy ours with the 912 !! Cheap FUN flying !! :-)

.....bobp

--------------------------------orig.------------------------------------

At 08:13 PM 1/27/00 -0500, you wrote:

My

Toronto,

complete

less

good

of

should

suit

fair

try

which

is

figure I

light

modifications

planning

I

am

105HP

anyone

out

145R,

data

front

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Frank, That is the stuff! If the Polyfiber system had of been used, there
would first be a very light PINK and then SILVER! Sorry to add some work to
the project, but better now than having to recover and repaint to match
later when the stuff blows off! (If you are around after it does!) Try
giving a really good push with your thumb, close to the corner of a "panel".
See if it cracks.

Yes a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit are manditory. Hard to find
reference to a suitable size, but most inspectors look for a 2 1/2lb minimum
during final inspection. First aid kit requirements are spelled out in regs,
but generally the plastic box type (around 3" X 6" X 10") pass inspecton.
Just make sure everything is there that you may need to keep you alive.

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Thanks,
Good thing you brought that up. they are covered, they look well done

and

are dull green in color (primer?).
I will do as you say but it's going to be hard to find a small area to

pinch

as they were quite neatly trimmed and are very tight. I will try when I get
a path cleared through the snow to my garage!

aside--
I will also planning to use these instruments "Microflite-1000 series"
was going to order in two weeks. Please let me know if anyone has had
problems with these, I was attracted to the price, obviously!.
Someone made mention of a compass from Radio Shack, is this ok for use

in

a homebuilt?
Also while I'm typing, what about a fire extinguisher and first aid kit are
these mandatory, if so, any ideas?


Thanks
Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Frank, just trying to help you out in the same manner as Bob to make sure
you have a safe A/C.

If the flaperons are covered already, give them a pinch somewhere
inconspicuous and see if the "paint" shatters off them! If it does strip
them and cover them properly following the entire Polyfiber System (and

not

just starting out with the roll of polyester that came with the kit and
using unknown substances on them). You don't want to repeat the Steve
Wittman thing! I have recovered some flaperons that were done where you
bought the aircraft.(lets leave it there as those that don't know where,
don't need too) No polybrush or polyspray was used on the fabric. The

fabric

was installed/shrunk and then simply coated with Plastithane. They were

then

coated with Durathane Min-Wax as recommended by the fabric installer. If

you

flex the fabric, the coating will shatter off it leaving perfectly bare

and

virgin polyester fabric(with absolutely no sign of adhesion anywhere.) IF

I

make the March rebel meeting in Brampton, I will bring samples of this

and

some proper Polyfiber system coating/fabric that I have. With the

Polyfiber

system followed start to finish, you can bunch it up in a ball and not

even

effect the coating. (Jack Weibes work, by the way)

The important thing here for everyone, is that if you trust (read pay

$$$)

someone to do work for you, make sure they can prove that they followed

the

proper system. EVERY STEP!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Thanks Bob,
"stringers in the top of the tank" yup, they are there, (thanks) As
things like that pop into your head, please throw them at me, so far the
fixes you mentioned are completed.
The gentleman in Orangeville that built my Rebel previously built one

with

daughter, I believe it is hers. He let me in his/her well locked hanger

to

take a look, what a beauty. This plane didn't even look like a Rebel,

every

rivet and aluminum edge had filler in it to give it a smooth look,

Bright

purple paint that looked better than my car and the interior was

incredible.

I asked why he hadn't sent a picture or entered it in a competition but

he

had no interest in doing that.
Taking a look at some of his work, gave me a lot of confidence about

how

my Rebel was built. (I'm sure I would not have been able to do that

quality

of workmanship myself)!!

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Subaru.

so

!

the

disassembly

???

--------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------

-

My

Toronto,

complete

less good

of

should

but

not

suit

fair

try

which

is figure I

little

relatively

light modifications planning

I

am

105HP

anyone

out 145R,

data

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[Bob Patterson]

I'm SURE you could build a perfectly safe Rebel ! They don't have
to be "perfect" - just safe. That's one of the great things about the
Murphy kits - they are designed with enough leeway that you don't have
to be Superman to build it safely ! As Darryl Murphy says - "You're
not building a Swiss watch - but it's not a railroad bridge, either ! "

Certainly, some Rebels really are "suitable for framing" - but that's
the builder's choice. There are a lot of us out here who just want to go
flying for fun, at reasonable cost .....

I sold her that Rebel kit ! It was delivered in September, she built
it herself over the winter, and it flew in July !! When she told me it was
going to be painted metallic purple, yellow, and blue, I cringed - but it
IS beautiful ! She combined the colours and trim into a VERY nice paint job,
and it is a shame it doesn't get to fly more often ! I think there is
a picture of it on the Murphy web page, somewhere ...

.....bobp

-----------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------
At 08:30 AM 1/28/00 -0500, you wrote:

Thanks Bob,
"stringers in the top of the tank" yup, they are there, (thanks) As
things like that pop into your head, please throw them at me, so far the
fixes you mentioned are completed.
The gentleman in Orangeville that built my Rebel previously built one with
daughter, I believe it is hers. He let me in his/her well locked hanger to
take a look, what a beauty. This plane didn't even look like a Rebel, every
rivet and aluminum edge had filler in it to give it a smooth look, Bright
purple paint that looked better than my car and the interior was incredible.
I asked why he hadn't sent a picture or entered it in a competition but he
had no interest in doing that.
Taking a look at some of his work, gave me a lot of confidence about how
my Rebel was built. (I'm sure I would not have been able to do that quality
of workmanship myself)!!

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Glad you spoke up !! I'm sure there is interest here in the Subaru.
There are a LOT of people who just want to fly cheaply and have fun, so
I'm sure you're going to LOVE that Rebel !

Hope you get lots of requests for the photos for posting here & at
Wray's ....

Not to scare you, but the comment about buying a partly-built kit
reminded me -

Just a thought - for anyone buying a 'almost finished' Rebel -
especially the early ones ....

The old manuals had a 'cut-away' drawing of the fuel tanks which
DID NOT show the stringers in the top of the tank. Some Rebels were
actually built with the top stringers cut out of this area !!! This
would be EXTREMELY dangerous - like cutting the main spars ! PLEASE
inspect this area carefully - there are still some out there like this !
And there are some that were "patched up" when the builders realized the
problem - BEWARE !! This MAY be why they are selling cheap !!

There are ways to do a repair, but it will involve a lot of

disassembly

and close work with the factory - they WILL be pleased to help !

Anybody out there with a 912 or a small Subaru who can give Frank
some encouragement about how well the Rebel flies with smaller engines ???
We sure enjoy ours with the 912 !! Cheap FUN flying !! :-)

.....bobp

--------------------------------orig.------------------------------------
At 08:13 PM 1/27/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hi gang,
I thought it was time to come out of hiding and make myself known. My
name is Frank Arndt and I live in Sarnia, Ont. (about 3hrs west of

Toronto,

right on the US border). I bought 145R in Orangeville, Ont 90% complete

less

engine and hanging way up from the rafters. The workmanship was quite

good

in my opinion.
I would like to say that this mail list has been a great resource of
idea's and opinions with your primary aim focused on saftey, which it

should

be. I am starting to feel real guilty for absorbing all your ideas but
offering the list nothing, so here goes:
I am not a "HorsePower nut" so my engine choice would probably not

suit

most people on the list. I have decided to give the Subaru EA-81 a fair

try

at Rebel 145R. I am currently flying a Karatoo (with another EA-81) which

is

overweight 970lbs+ and extreamely nose heavy as the airframe was not
intended for this engine. All that said, it flies not too bad and I

figure I

have to get better performance in 145R. I am almost finished my little
project with some instruments and paint left to do. 145R is relatively

light

(under 800lbs when complete, I hope!) and has all the safety

modifications

done. All my flying will be on wheels, most of it solo and I'm not

planning

any round the world trips, just a little air-time is what I am after. I

am

hoping my new engine produces 85 to 90 HP, (I don't quite buy the 105HP
advertized) and I would be quite happy bumping along at 80 mph.
I don't want to bore you so I will shutup now.
I would love to hear your thoughts, (good or bad) and if there is anyone

out

there trying to do something similar I have lots of digital JPG's of

145R,

mostly the engine installation. Also I will share all my performance data
(good or bad) so anyone interested will learn from my experience.

Special thanks to Bob Patterson and Dave Bangle for your opinions up

front

and honest.

Frank



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[Bob Patterson]

Sure hope BOTH of you can make it to the next meeting - March 12th !!
We look forward to sharing Wayne's experiences, and Frank might get a
few first-hand tips on other things to check out ...

Wayne's right !! Unfortunately, there ARE several Rebels out there
(some in Quebec ...) that 'look ok', but have serious errors in construction
that WILL become problems at some time in the future - and we don't
want to lose anybody, EVER !!! Sometimes, builder "improvements" can
cause potential customers to shy away - think VERY carefully about
changes to your Rebel's structure ! And always consult the factory !

The simple mixing of different chemistry in 'doping' on the fabric
on the wings of his custom aircraft killed Steve Wittman - although
the fabric stayed on for several years, it eventually peeled off because
of the lack of bonding between the different paints & finishes !
Unfortunately, it happened at altitude, in a storm, while IFR ....
Even little changes can be IMPORTANT !!!

One builder decide to build his tail with small solid rivets, using
the pre-punched holes, instead of drilling the holes out and using the
Avex blind rivets. This caused major problems for 2 reasons, and resulted
in the tail being discarded - fortunately, before anyone tried to fly it !

Be careful out there !!
....bobp

-----------------------------orig.---------------------------------------
At 12:53 PM 1/28/00 -0500, you wrote:

Frank, just trying to help you out in the same manner as Bob to make sure
you have a safe A/C.

If the flaperons are covered already, give them a pinch somewhere
inconspicuous and see if the "paint" shatters off them! If it does strip
them and cover them properly following the entire Polyfiber System (and not
just starting out with the roll of polyester that came with the kit and
using unknown substances on them). You don't want to repeat the Steve
Wittman thing! I have recovered some flaperons that were done where you
bought the aircraft.(lets leave it there as those that don't know where,
don't need too) No polybrush or polyspray was used on the fabric. The fabric
was installed/shrunk and then simply coated with Plastithane. They were then
coated with Durathane Min-Wax as recommended by the fabric installer. If you
flex the fabric, the coating will shatter off it leaving perfectly bare and
virgin polyester fabric(with absolutely no sign of adhesion anywhere.) IF I
make the March rebel meeting in Brampton, I will bring samples of this and
some proper Polyfiber system coating/fabric that I have. With the Polyfiber
system followed start to finish, you can bunch it up in a ball and not even
effect the coating. (Jack Weibes work, by the way)

The important thing here for everyone, is that if you trust (read pay $$$)
someone to do work for you, make sure they can prove that they followed the
proper system. EVERY STEP!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Thanks Bob,
"stringers in the top of the tank" yup, they are there, (thanks) As
things like that pop into your head, please throw them at me, so far the
fixes you mentioned are completed.
The gentleman in Orangeville that built my Rebel previously built one with
daughter, I believe it is hers. He let me in his/her well locked hanger to

take a look, what a beauty. This plane didn't even look like a Rebel, every
rivet and aluminum edge had filler in it to give it a smooth look, Bright
purple paint that looked better than my car and the interior was

incredible.

I asked why he hadn't sent a picture or entered it in a competition but he
had no interest in doing that.
Taking a look at some of his work, gave me a lot of confidence about how
my Rebel was built. (I'm sure I would not have been able to do that quality
of workmanship myself)!!

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Glad you spoke up !! I'm sure there is interest here in the Subaru.
There are a LOT of people who just want to fly cheaply and have fun, so
I'm sure you're going to LOVE that Rebel !

Hope you get lots of requests for the photos for posting here & at
Wray's ....

Not to scare you, but the comment about buying a partly-built kit
reminded me -

Just a thought - for anyone buying a 'almost finished' Rebel -
especially the early ones ....

The old manuals had a 'cut-away' drawing of the fuel tanks which
DID NOT show the stringers in the top of the tank. Some Rebels were
actually built with the top stringers cut out of this area !!! This
would be EXTREMELY dangerous - like cutting the main spars ! PLEASE
inspect this area carefully - there are still some out there like this !
And there are some that were "patched up" when the builders realized the
problem - BEWARE !! This MAY be why they are selling cheap !!

There are ways to do a repair, but it will involve a lot of

disassembly

and close work with the factory - they WILL be pleased to help !

Anybody out there with a 912 or a small Subaru who can give Frank
some encouragement about how well the Rebel flies with smaller engines

???

We sure enjoy ours with the 912 !! Cheap FUN flying !! :-)

.....bobp

--------------------------------orig.------------------------------------
At 08:13 PM 1/27/00 -0500, you wrote:

Toronto,

less

good

should

suit

try

which

is

figure I

light

modifications

planning

am

out

145R,

data

front

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[Bob Patterson]

One of the builders in our group has several Halon fire extinguishers
for sale at a very good price (about $60, i think). I recall they are
about 3 lb. ... ?? He might be able to bring one to the next meeting
for you ...

Brent Anderson,
22197 Conc. 5,
Queensville, Ontario L0G 1R0
tel. (905) 478-2353

Give him a call....

.....bobp

------------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 01:55 PM 1/28/00 -0500, you wrote:

Thanks,
Good thing you brought that up. they are covered, they look well done and
are dull green in color (primer?).
I will do as you say but it's going to be hard to find a small area to pinch
as they were quite neatly trimmed and are very tight. I will try when I get
a path cleared through the snow to my garage!

aside--
I will also planning to use these instruments "Microflite-1000 series"
was going to order in two weeks. Please let me know if anyone has had
problems with these, I was attracted to the price, obviously!.
Someone made mention of a compass from Radio Shack, is this ok for use in
a homebuilt?
Also while I'm typing, what about a fire extinguisher and first aid kit are
these mandatory, if so, any ideas?


Thanks
Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Frank, just trying to help you out in the same manner as Bob to make sure
you have a safe A/C.

If the flaperons are covered already, give them a pinch somewhere
inconspicuous and see if the "paint" shatters off them! If it does strip
them and cover them properly following the entire Polyfiber System (and

not

just starting out with the roll of polyester that came with the kit and
using unknown substances on them). You don't want to repeat the Steve
Wittman thing! I have recovered some flaperons that were done where you
bought the aircraft.(lets leave it there as those that don't know where,
don't need too) No polybrush or polyspray was used on the fabric. The

fabric

was installed/shrunk and then simply coated with Plastithane. They were

then

coated with Durathane Min-Wax as recommended by the fabric installer. If

you

flex the fabric, the coating will shatter off it leaving perfectly bare

and

virgin polyester fabric(with absolutely no sign of adhesion anywhere.) IF

I

make the March rebel meeting in Brampton, I will bring samples of this and
some proper Polyfiber system coating/fabric that I have. With the

Polyfiber

system followed start to finish, you can bunch it up in a ball and not

even

effect the coating. (Jack Weibes work, by the way)

The important thing here for everyone, is that if you trust (read pay $$$)
someone to do work for you, make sure they can prove that they followed

the

proper system. EVERY STEP!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Thanks Bob,
"stringers in the top of the tank" yup, they are there, (thanks) As
things like that pop into your head, please throw them at me, so far the
fixes you mentioned are completed.
The gentleman in Orangeville that built my Rebel previously built one

with

daughter, I believe it is hers. He let me in his/her well locked hanger

to

take a look, what a beauty. This plane didn't even look like a Rebel,

every

rivet and aluminum edge had filler in it to give it a smooth look, Bright
purple paint that looked better than my car and the interior was

incredible.

I asked why he hadn't sent a picture or entered it in a competition but

he

had no interest in doing that.
Taking a look at some of his work, gave me a lot of confidence about

how

my Rebel was built. (I'm sure I would not have been able to do that

quality

of workmanship myself)!!

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

!

the

disassembly

???

--------------------------------orig.------------------------------------

My

Toronto,

complete

less good

of

should suit

fair

try

which

is figure I light modifications planning

I

am

105HP

anyone

out 145R,

data

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[Frank Arndt]

Wayne
This is the kind of "Directly Related Info" I was looking for. I did take a
good look tried to crack off a bit of the coating. It is below freezing and
I couldn't even scratch any off with a sharpedge. Now this is not to
discount that you have me concerned, because you do. If there is anything
else you know about the building habits of "you know those people we were
not going to mention" please let me know. I want to be around to meet some
of you someday too! I may bother you for some advice on this at a later
date.
If/when the fabric fails, does it depart the aircraft or does it simply
show signs of cracking and paint failure?
0145R has a dry hanger waiting for it, and the only time it will ever be out
in the weather is when It is in flight, I am adding this just in case
outside storage would be a contributer to this fabric failing.

Thanks again
Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Frank, just trying to help you out in the same manner as Bob to make sure
you have a safe A/C.

If the flaperons are covered already, give them a pinch somewhere
inconspicuous and see if the "paint" shatters off them! If it does strip
them and cover them properly following the entire Polyfiber System (and

not

just starting out with the roll of polyester that came with the kit and
using unknown substances on them). You don't want to repeat the Steve
Wittman thing! I have recovered some flaperons that were done where you
bought the aircraft.(lets leave it there as those that don't know where,
don't need too) No polybrush or polyspray was used on the fabric. The

fabric

was installed/shrunk and then simply coated with Plastithane. They were

then

coated with Durathane Min-Wax as recommended by the fabric installer. If

you

flex the fabric, the coating will shatter off it leaving perfectly bare

and

virgin polyester fabric(with absolutely no sign of adhesion anywhere.) IF

I

make the March rebel meeting in Brampton, I will bring samples of this and
some proper Polyfiber system coating/fabric that I have. With the

Polyfiber

system followed start to finish, you can bunch it up in a ball and not

even

effect the coating. (Jack Weibes work, by the way)

The important thing here for everyone, is that if you trust (read pay $$$)
someone to do work for you, make sure they can prove that they followed

the

proper system. EVERY STEP!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Thanks Bob,
"stringers in the top of the tank" yup, they are there, (thanks) As
things like that pop into your head, please throw them at me, so far the
fixes you mentioned are completed.
The gentleman in Orangeville that built my Rebel previously built one

with

daughter, I believe it is hers. He let me in his/her well locked hanger

to

take a look, what a beauty. This plane didn't even look like a Rebel,

every

rivet and aluminum edge had filler in it to give it a smooth look, Bright
purple paint that looked better than my car and the interior was

incredible.

I asked why he hadn't sent a picture or entered it in a competition but

he

had no interest in doing that.
Taking a look at some of his work, gave me a lot of confidence about

how

my Rebel was built. (I'm sure I would not have been able to do that

quality

of workmanship myself)!!

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Glad you spoke up !! I'm sure there is interest here in the Subaru.
There are a LOT of people who just want to fly cheaply and have fun, so
I'm sure you're going to LOVE that Rebel !

Hope you get lots of requests for the photos for posting here & at
Wray's ....

Not to scare you, but the comment about buying a partly-built kit
reminded me -

Just a thought - for anyone buying a 'almost finished' Rebel -
especially the early ones ....

The old manuals had a 'cut-away' drawing of the fuel tanks which
DID NOT show the stringers in the top of the tank. Some Rebels were
actually built with the top stringers cut out of this area !!! This
would be EXTREMELY dangerous - like cutting the main spars ! PLEASE
inspect this area carefully - there are still some out there like this

!

And there are some that were "patched up" when the builders realized

the

problem - BEWARE !! This MAY be why they are selling cheap !!

There are ways to do a repair, but it will involve a lot of

disassembly

and close work with the factory - they WILL be pleased to help !

Anybody out there with a 912 or a small Subaru who can give Frank
some encouragement about how well the Rebel flies with smaller engines

???

We sure enjoy ours with the 912 !! Cheap FUN flying !! :-)

.....bobp

--------------------------------orig.------------------------------------

At 08:13 PM 1/27/00 -0500, you wrote:

My

Toronto,

complete

less

good

of

should

suit

fair

try

which

is

figure I

light

modifications

planning

I

am

105HP

anyone

out

145R,

data

front

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Frank, good to hear the "primer" coat is on good. Maybe it's a chemical
reaction from the second top coat being applied! This is exactly why the
complete covering system needs to be used and followed to the "T".
Fabric covering is not where we want to do experimenting. Generally the
paint will just crack or peel. If the reactions from using different
products eats what ever they used as glue to put the fabric on, the fabric
will depart also. (as in Steve Wittmans's case). Like I said, I will try to
make the next Rebel meeting at Brampton and you can see how the "paint"
comes off leaving bare fabric. That nice green colour you have now, shows on
the bottom of all the chips of paint!

Fly safe,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Wayne
This is the kind of "Directly Related Info" I was looking for. I did take a
good look tried to crack off a bit of the coating. It is below freezing and
I couldn't even scratch any off with a sharpedge. Now this is not to
discount that you have me concerned, because you do. If there is anything
else you know about the building habits of "you know those people we were
not going to mention" please let me know. I want to be around to meet some
of you someday too! I may bother you for some advice on this at a later
date.
If/when the fabric fails, does it depart the aircraft or does it simply
show signs of cracking and paint failure?
0145R has a dry hanger waiting for it, and the only time it will ever be

out

in the weather is when It is in flight, I am adding this just in case
outside storage would be a contributer to this fabric failing.

Thanks again
Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Frank, just trying to help you out in the same manner as Bob to make sure
you have a safe A/C.

If the flaperons are covered already, give them a pinch somewhere
inconspicuous and see if the "paint" shatters off them! If it does strip
them and cover them properly following the entire Polyfiber System (and

not

just starting out with the roll of polyester that came with the kit and
using unknown substances on them). You don't want to repeat the Steve
Wittman thing! I have recovered some flaperons that were done where you
bought the aircraft.(lets leave it there as those that don't know where,
don't need too) No polybrush or polyspray was used on the fabric. The

fabric

was installed/shrunk and then simply coated with Plastithane. They were

then

coated with Durathane Min-Wax as recommended by the fabric installer. If

you

flex the fabric, the coating will shatter off it leaving perfectly bare

and

virgin polyester fabric(with absolutely no sign of adhesion anywhere.) IF

I

make the March rebel meeting in Brampton, I will bring samples of this

and

some proper Polyfiber system coating/fabric that I have. With the

Polyfiber

system followed start to finish, you can bunch it up in a ball and not

even

effect the coating. (Jack Weibes work, by the way)

The important thing here for everyone, is that if you trust (read pay

$$$)

someone to do work for you, make sure they can prove that they followed

the

proper system. EVERY STEP!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Thanks Bob,
"stringers in the top of the tank" yup, they are there, (thanks) As
things like that pop into your head, please throw them at me, so far the
fixes you mentioned are completed.
The gentleman in Orangeville that built my Rebel previously built one

with

daughter, I believe it is hers. He let me in his/her well locked hanger

to

take a look, what a beauty. This plane didn't even look like a Rebel,

every

rivet and aluminum edge had filler in it to give it a smooth look,

Bright

purple paint that looked better than my car and the interior was

incredible.

I asked why he hadn't sent a picture or entered it in a competition but

he

had no interest in doing that.
Taking a look at some of his work, gave me a lot of confidence about

how

my Rebel was built. (I'm sure I would not have been able to do that

quality

of workmanship myself)!!

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Subaru.

so

!

the

disassembly

???

--------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------

-

My

Toronto,

complete

less good

of

should

but

not

suit

fair

try

which

is figure I

little

relatively

light modifications planning

I

am

105HP

anyone

out 145R,

data

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[Frank Arndt]

Ok Wayne,
You have me so concerned, and rightfully so that I placed a call to the
builder of flaperons on 145R.
I no nothing about fabric so tell me what you think.

He said he used the "Ceconite" not sure of spelling? Dacron system, with
certified aircraft glue and a flexible primer which he said could be painted
with any urethane paint ??

I also have a local Jodel builder coming to inspect them and if needed he
will help to redo properly..

Thanks for the advice..
I will take what ever action is needed to have a safe aircraft.

Frank




----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Frank, good to hear the "primer" coat is on good. Maybe it's a chemical
reaction from the second top coat being applied! This is exactly why the
complete covering system needs to be used and followed to the "T".
Fabric covering is not where we want to do experimenting. Generally the
paint will just crack or peel. If the reactions from using different
products eats what ever they used as glue to put the fabric on, the fabric
will depart also. (as in Steve Wittmans's case). Like I said, I will try

to

make the next Rebel meeting at Brampton and you can see how the "paint"
comes off leaving bare fabric. That nice green colour you have now, shows

on

the bottom of all the chips of paint!

Fly safe,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Wayne
This is the kind of "Directly Related Info" I was looking for. I did take

a

good look tried to crack off a bit of the coating. It is below freezing

and

I couldn't even scratch any off with a sharpedge. Now this is not to
discount that you have me concerned, because you do. If there is anything
else you know about the building habits of "you know those people we were
not going to mention" please let me know. I want to be around to meet

some

of you someday too! I may bother you for some advice on this at a later
date.
If/when the fabric fails, does it depart the aircraft or does it

simply

show signs of cracking and paint failure?
0145R has a dry hanger waiting for it, and the only time it will ever be

out

in the weather is when It is in flight, I am adding this just in case
outside storage would be a contributer to this fabric failing.

Thanks again
Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Frank, just trying to help you out in the same manner as Bob to make

sure

you have a safe A/C.

If the flaperons are covered already, give them a pinch somewhere
inconspicuous and see if the "paint" shatters off them! If it does

strip

them and cover them properly following the entire Polyfiber System (and

not

just starting out with the roll of polyester that came with the kit and
using unknown substances on them). You don't want to repeat the Steve
Wittman thing! I have recovered some flaperons that were done where you
bought the aircraft.(lets leave it there as those that don't know

where,

don't need too) No polybrush or polyspray was used on the fabric. The

fabric

was installed/shrunk and then simply coated with Plastithane. They were

then

coated with Durathane Min-Wax as recommended by the fabric installer.

If

you

flex the fabric, the coating will shatter off it leaving perfectly bare

and

virgin polyester fabric(with absolutely no sign of adhesion anywhere.)

IF

I

make the March rebel meeting in Brampton, I will bring samples of this

and

some proper Polyfiber system coating/fabric that I have. With the

Polyfiber

system followed start to finish, you can bunch it up in a ball and not

even

effect the coating. (Jack Weibes work, by the way)

The important thing here for everyone, is that if you trust (read pay

$$$)

someone to do work for you, make sure they can prove that they followed

the

proper system. EVERY STEP!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

the

with

hanger

to

every

Bright

incredible.

but

he

about

how

quality

Subaru.

so

at

kit

PLEASE

this

!

the

Frank

engines

???

--------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------

-

known.

My

complete

quite

resource

of

it

but

not

fair

which

not

little

relatively

after.

I

105HP

anyone

of

performance

data

up

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Hope you didn't mention my name as the reason for concern about what he
used! Aviation community is to small for that, but then again, I imagine
there is probably someone on the list that has already passed on the
questioning of their work to him already!

This is exactly what the ex-owner of the flaperons I recovered was told, top
coat with any urethane or Durathane paint. I have it in writting in the
ex-owners notes! The rest is history and I still have the evidence!

Ceconite is a trade name for one brand of polyester fabric, but it also has
a system to follow. It is NOT: to use some certified aircraft glue (for
fabric or wood?) and then a "flexible primer"! Why not follow the
recommended installation procedure for this brand, no different than you
would with the polyfiber (stits) system?

I don't own shares in Polyfiber Corp., so I am definitely not bringing this
to light for my benefit!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Ok Wayne,
You have me so concerned, and rightfully so that I placed a call to the
builder of flaperons on 145R.
I no nothing about fabric so tell me what you think.

He said he used the "Ceconite" not sure of spelling? Dacron system, with
certified aircraft glue and a flexible primer which he said could be

painted

with any urethane paint ??

I also have a local Jodel builder coming to inspect them and if needed

he

will help to redo properly..

Thanks for the advice..
I will take what ever action is needed to have a safe aircraft.

Frank




----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Frank, good to hear the "primer" coat is on good. Maybe it's a chemical
reaction from the second top coat being applied! This is exactly why the
complete covering system needs to be used and followed to the "T".
Fabric covering is not where we want to do experimenting. Generally the
paint will just crack or peel. If the reactions from using different
products eats what ever they used as glue to put the fabric on, the

fabric

will depart also. (as in Steve Wittmans's case). Like I said, I will try

to

make the next Rebel meeting at Brampton and you can see how the "paint"
comes off leaving bare fabric. That nice green colour you have now, shows

on

the bottom of all the chips of paint!

Fly safe,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Wayne
This is the kind of "Directly Related Info" I was looking for. I did

take

a

good look tried to crack off a bit of the coating. It is below freezing

and

I couldn't even scratch any off with a sharpedge. Now this is not to
discount that you have me concerned, because you do. If there is

anything

else you know about the building habits of "you know those people we

were

not going to mention" please let me know. I want to be around to meet

some

of you someday too! I may bother you for some advice on this at a later
date.
If/when the fabric fails, does it depart the aircraft or does it

simply

show signs of cracking and paint failure?
0145R has a dry hanger waiting for it, and the only time it will ever be

out

in the weather is when It is in flight, I am adding this just in case
outside storage would be a contributer to this fabric failing.

Thanks again
Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

sure

strip

(and

not

and

you

where,

fabric

were

then

If

you

bare

and

IF

I

and

Polyfiber even

$$$)

followed

the

As

the

one

with

hanger

to every

Bright

but

he

about

how quality

Subaru.

fun,

so

at

kit

which

This

PLEASE

this

!

realized

the

Frank

engines

-

-

known.

My complete

quite

resource

of

it

but

not

fair

EA-81)

not

I

little

relatively

after.

I 105HP anyone

of

performance

up

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[Bob Patterson]

Frank,

As I said, I hope you can make it to the next meeting - I'm sure you
will get some 'first hand, directly related' information .... ;-)
We want everybody safe !

If you can work a mirror into one of the inspection holes on the
ailerons, you should be able to see the PINK Polyfibre finish on the
fabric in many places. If it's ALL white, you have another example of
what Wayne is talking about... :-(

.....bobp

------------------------------orig.------------------------------------
At 01:30 PM 1/29/00 -0500, you wrote:

Wayne
This is the kind of "Directly Related Info" I was looking for. I did take a
good look tried to crack off a bit of the coating. It is below freezing and
I couldn't even scratch any off with a sharpedge. Now this is not to
discount that you have me concerned, because you do. If there is anything
else you know about the building habits of "you know those people we were
not going to mention" please let me know. I want to be around to meet some
of you someday too! I may bother you for some advice on this at a later
date.
If/when the fabric fails, does it depart the aircraft or does it simply
show signs of cracking and paint failure?
0145R has a dry hanger waiting for it, and the only time it will ever be out
in the weather is when It is in flight, I am adding this just in case
outside storage would be a contributer to this fabric failing.

Thanks again
Frank

----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Frank, just trying to help you out in the same manner as Bob to make sure
you have a safe A/C.

If the flaperons are covered already, give them a pinch somewhere
inconspicuous and see if the "paint" shatters off them! If it does strip
them and cover them properly following the entire Polyfiber System (and

not

just starting out with the roll of polyester that came with the kit and
using unknown substances on them). You don't want to repeat the Steve
Wittman thing! I have recovered some flaperons that were done where you
bought the aircraft.(lets leave it there as those that don't know where,
don't need too) No polybrush or polyspray was used on the fabric. The

fabric

was installed/shrunk and then simply coated with Plastithane. They were

then

coated with Durathane Min-Wax as recommended by the fabric installer. If

you

flex the fabric, the coating will shatter off it leaving perfectly bare

and

virgin polyester fabric(with absolutely no sign of adhesion anywhere.) IF

I

make the March rebel meeting in Brampton, I will bring samples of this and
some proper Polyfiber system coating/fabric that I have. With the

Polyfiber

system followed start to finish, you can bunch it up in a ball and not

even

effect the coating. (Jack Weibes work, by the way)

The important thing here for everyone, is that if you trust (read pay $$$)
someone to do work for you, make sure they can prove that they followed

the

proper system. EVERY STEP!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Thanks Bob,
"stringers in the top of the tank" yup, they are there, (thanks) As
things like that pop into your head, please throw them at me, so far the
fixes you mentioned are completed.
The gentleman in Orangeville that built my Rebel previously built one

with

daughter, I believe it is hers. He let me in his/her well locked hanger

to

take a look, what a beauty. This plane didn't even look like a Rebel,

every

rivet and aluminum edge had filler in it to give it a smooth look, Bright
purple paint that looked better than my car and the interior was

incredible.

I asked why he hadn't sent a picture or entered it in a competition but

he

had no interest in doing that.
Taking a look at some of his work, gave me a lot of confidence about

how

my Rebel was built. (I'm sure I would not have been able to do that

quality

of workmanship myself)!!

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

!

the

disassembly

???

--------------------------------orig.------------------------------------

My

Toronto,

complete

less good

of

should suit

fair

try

which

is figure I light modifications planning

I

am

105HP

anyone

out 145R,

data

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[Bob Patterson]

Another VERY important part of all of these chemistry 'systems' is
a good layer of ultraviolet protection !! This usually consists of a
few coats of silver 'paint', or some specially formulated finish that
blocks sunlight from the fabric. Without this protection, the fabric
will disintegrate - crumble to powder - after some time in the sun !!
With it, it can last for the life of the aircraft (or until a new paint
job is desired :-) ).

Sounds like you will have to scrape or cut out a piece of fabric to
see IF it has this protection .... Probably better to recover now, with
the right chemistry combination, if necessary, than to have problems
later !

.....bobp

-----------------------------orig.---------------------------------------
At 08:19 PM 1/29/00 -0500, you wrote:

Hope you didn't mention my name as the reason for concern about what he
used! Aviation community is to small for that, but then again, I imagine
there is probably someone on the list that has already passed on the
questioning of their work to him already!

This is exactly what the ex-owner of the flaperons I recovered was told, top
coat with any urethane or Durathane paint. I have it in writting in the
ex-owners notes! The rest is history and I still have the evidence!

Ceconite is a trade name for one brand of polyester fabric, but it also has
a system to follow. It is NOT: to use some certified aircraft glue (for
fabric or wood?) and then a "flexible primer"! Why not follow the
recommended installation procedure for this brand, no different than you
would with the polyfiber (stits) system?

I don't own shares in Polyfiber Corp., so I am definitely not bringing this
to light for my benefit!

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Ok Wayne,
You have me so concerned, and rightfully so that I placed a call to the
builder of flaperons on 145R.
I no nothing about fabric so tell me what you think.

He said he used the "Ceconite" not sure of spelling? Dacron system, with
certified aircraft glue and a flexible primer which he said could be

painted

with any urethane paint ??

I also have a local Jodel builder coming to inspect them and if needed

he

will help to redo properly..

Thanks for the advice..
I will take what ever action is needed to have a safe aircraft.

Frank




----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

Frank, good to hear the "primer" coat is on good. Maybe it's a chemical
reaction from the second top coat being applied! This is exactly why the
complete covering system needs to be used and followed to the "T".
Fabric covering is not where we want to do experimenting. Generally the
paint will just crack or peel. If the reactions from using different
products eats what ever they used as glue to put the fabric on, the

fabric

will depart also. (as in Steve Wittmans's case). Like I said, I will try

to

make the next Rebel meeting at Brampton and you can see how the "paint"
comes off leaving bare fabric. That nice green colour you have now, shows

on

the bottom of all the chips of paint!

Fly safe,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Arndt <farndt@xcelco.on.ca>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2000 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel 0145R

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up

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