What did you folks that are building a Elite, do with the dimpleing on the
horizontal for the stab and fin fairing. The diagram shows the dimpling
going clear to the trailing edge in the center section! however the last
two rows of rivits have the doubler ST326 on the outside. This doubler
doe's not lend itself to dimpling?
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Eric Fogelin
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I countersunk the rivet holes in the stabilizer doublers. I don't recall
the thickness of the doubler, but it was plenty thick for countersinking.
Don't dimple the skin under the doubler, just counter sink the
doubler. I picked up a 120 degree countersink cutter from Aircraft
Spruce.
Eric Fogelin
Elite #645
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What did you folks that are building a Elite, do with the dimpleing on the
horizontal for the stab and fin fairing. The diagram shows the dimpling
going clear to the trailing edge in the center section! however the last
two rows of rivits have the doubler ST326 on the outside. This doubler
doe's not lend itself to dimpling?
Doug Martin
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the thickness of the doubler, but it was plenty thick for countersinking.
Don't dimple the skin under the doubler, just counter sink the
doubler. I picked up a 120 degree countersink cutter from Aircraft
Spruce.
Eric Fogelin
Elite #645
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To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Elite
What did you folks that are building a Elite, do with the dimpleing on the
horizontal for the stab and fin fairing. The diagram shows the dimpling
going clear to the trailing edge in the center section! however the last
two rows of rivits have the doubler ST326 on the outside. This doubler
doe's not lend itself to dimpling?
Doug Martin
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Gilles St-Pierre
Elite
Hi Alll.
my friend Bob Gagne in Quebec city has a very well built Elite. He has made
a few interesting mods,
like stall fences etc. one of them is turning fus 429 backward on top of the
carrythrough.The front part now falls back on the first frame where it can
be riveted.This help to stiffen and help in preventing the rocking mouvement
of the sq tubes when the suspention is sollicited.,besides removing the
front lip that hangs free in the feet compartiment.(unless it has a reason
to be there)
can someone shed ligt on the subject
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my friend Bob Gagne in Quebec city has a very well built Elite. He has made
a few interesting mods,
like stall fences etc. one of them is turning fus 429 backward on top of the
carrythrough.The front part now falls back on the first frame where it can
be riveted.This help to stiffen and help in preventing the rocking mouvement
of the sq tubes when the suspention is sollicited.,besides removing the
front lip that hangs free in the feet compartiment.(unless it has a reason
to be there)
can someone shed ligt on the subject
sorry if the subject had been treated before (just in case...!!!)
thanks to your gen..........
gilles st pierre e717
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Bob Andrews
Elite
Gilles,
This sounds most interesting ... now would sure be the time to explore such
a mod. I'd sure be interested in learning more about it.
Bob 612e
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Subject: RE: Elite
Hi Alll.
my friend Bob Gagne in Quebec city has a very well built Elite. He has made
a few interesting mods,
like stall fences etc. one of them is turning fus 429 backward on top of the
carrythrough.The front part now falls back on the first frame where it can
be riveted.This help to stiffen and help in preventing the rocking mouvement
of the sq tubes when the suspention is sollicited.,besides removing the
front lip that hangs free in the feet compartiment.(unless it has a reason
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can someone shed ligt on the subject
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This sounds most interesting ... now would sure be the time to explore such
a mod. I'd sure be interested in learning more about it.
Bob 612e
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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:05 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Elite
Hi Alll.
my friend Bob Gagne in Quebec city has a very well built Elite. He has made
a few interesting mods,
like stall fences etc. one of them is turning fus 429 backward on top of the
carrythrough.The front part now falls back on the first frame where it can
be riveted.This help to stiffen and help in preventing the rocking mouvement
of the sq tubes when the suspention is sollicited.,besides removing the
front lip that hangs free in the feet compartiment.(unless it has a reason
to be there)
can someone shed ligt on the subject
sorry if the subject had been treated before (just in case...!!!)
thanks to your gen..........
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Elite
Hi Gilles
I don't have a manual handy with me right now...but if it's the part I'm
thinking of it is meant to go with the overhang backwards and fasten to the
top of the stn 3 underfloor rib !
Not sure but I have no part going forward of the front FUS 5 carrythrough
except the lower floor skin.
Nigel
745E
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Sent: 17 February 2005 19:05
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Subject: RE: Elite
Hi Alll.
my friend Bob Gagne in Quebec city has a very well built Elite. He has made
a few interesting mods,
like stall fences etc. one of them is turning fus 429 backward on top of the
carrythrough.The front part now falls back on the first frame where it can
be riveted.This help to stiffen and help in preventing the rocking mouvement
of the sq tubes when the suspention is sollicited.,besides removing the
front lip that hangs free in the feet compartiment.(unless it has a reason
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can someone shed ligt on the subject
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I don't have a manual handy with me right now...but if it's the part I'm
thinking of it is meant to go with the overhang backwards and fasten to the
top of the stn 3 underfloor rib !
Not sure but I have no part going forward of the front FUS 5 carrythrough
except the lower floor skin.
Nigel
745E
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Sent: 17 February 2005 19:05
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Subject: RE: Elite
Hi Alll.
my friend Bob Gagne in Quebec city has a very well built Elite. He has made
a few interesting mods,
like stall fences etc. one of them is turning fus 429 backward on top of the
carrythrough.The front part now falls back on the first frame where it can
be riveted.This help to stiffen and help in preventing the rocking mouvement
of the sq tubes when the suspention is sollicited.,besides removing the
front lip that hangs free in the feet compartiment.(unless it has a reason
to be there)
can someone shed ligt on the subject
sorry if the subject had been treated before (just in case...!!!)
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K. Oliver
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Same Here
Keith Oliver
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine
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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:05 PM
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Hi Gilles
I don't have a manual handy with me right now...but if it's the part I'm
thinking of it is meant to go with the overhang backwards and fasten to the
top of the stn 3 underfloor rib !
Not sure but I have no part going forward of the front FUS 5 carrythrough
except the lower floor skin.
Nigel
745E
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Sent: 17 February 2005 19:05
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Subject: RE: Elite
Hi Alll.
my friend Bob Gagne in Quebec city has a very well built Elite. He has made
a few interesting mods,
like stall fences etc. one of them is turning fus 429 backward on top of the
carrythrough.The front part now falls back on the first frame where it can
be riveted.This help to stiffen and help in preventing the rocking mouvement
of the sq tubes when the suspention is sollicited.,besides removing the
front lip that hangs free in the feet compartiment.(unless it has a reason
to be there)
can someone shed ligt on the subject
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Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine
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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 6:05 PM
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Hi Gilles
I don't have a manual handy with me right now...but if it's the part I'm
thinking of it is meant to go with the overhang backwards and fasten to the
top of the stn 3 underfloor rib !
Not sure but I have no part going forward of the front FUS 5 carrythrough
except the lower floor skin.
Nigel
745E
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Sent: 17 February 2005 19:05
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Subject: RE: Elite
Hi Alll.
my friend Bob Gagne in Quebec city has a very well built Elite. He has made
a few interesting mods,
like stall fences etc. one of them is turning fus 429 backward on top of the
carrythrough.The front part now falls back on the first frame where it can
be riveted.This help to stiffen and help in preventing the rocking mouvement
of the sq tubes when the suspention is sollicited.,besides removing the
front lip that hangs free in the feet compartiment.(unless it has a reason
to be there)
can someone shed ligt on the subject
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Nigel
i think its the rigt way to proceed
thanks a lot
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i think its the rigt way to proceed
thanks a lot
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Gilles St-Pierre
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thanks to every one who supplied the infos on fus 429
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Mike Betti
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Could somebody give me some realistic empty weights of the Elite in the
tail dragger configuration?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
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tail dragger configuration?
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Mike Betti
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Hi group,
I recently bought the tail fairing after my own attempt failed. I just couldn't make it smooth enough, I knew there was a reason I built a metal plane! The purchased fairing came in 2 pieces, a RS and LS. I am told to glass the halves together. Does it come off ok as a 1 piece item? Looks like you may have to fight the flare of the tail cone as you pull it forward and then off.
I also installed the ground handler kit, it sure is a nice piece and good idea.
Mike Betti
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I recently bought the tail fairing after my own attempt failed. I just couldn't make it smooth enough, I knew there was a reason I built a metal plane! The purchased fairing came in 2 pieces, a RS and LS. I am told to glass the halves together. Does it come off ok as a 1 piece item? Looks like you may have to fight the flare of the tail cone as you pull it forward and then off.
I also installed the ground handler kit, it sure is a nice piece and good idea.
Mike Betti
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Mike Betti
Elite
Hi all,
Made a big mistake today. You know all those receipts you been throwing in the corner to finish your kit. Well, I went and added them all up .................................$$!
Any one have an idea what a completed Elite on wheels is worth in the US?
Any way, I am about 99% complete. I have to fit the wing tips, make some sort of ladder step, and fit inspection covers to the wing control surfaces and that will be it. Possibly a flight late January depending on the winter we are having. I don't know if that time of the year is any good for breaking in an engine other than the shock cool issue.
Mike Betti
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Made a big mistake today. You know all those receipts you been throwing in the corner to finish your kit. Well, I went and added them all up .................................$$!
Any one have an idea what a completed Elite on wheels is worth in the US?
Any way, I am about 99% complete. I have to fit the wing tips, make some sort of ladder step, and fit inspection covers to the wing control surfaces and that will be it. Possibly a flight late January depending on the winter we are having. I don't know if that time of the year is any good for breaking in an engine other than the shock cool issue.
Mike Betti
N771ME
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Mike Betti
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Hi builders,
I been out of touch with the group for a year and a half and had to see how
it was going out there. I been in contact with a couple builders since and
discussed some problems.
My Elite now has been flying for 2 years and about 110 hours. It is such a
great airplane! It seems to have the best of both worlds in short field and
cruise. I add VG's to it about a year ago which knocked 10 mph off my stall.
I still don't have the greatest brakes, maybe ok for a tail dragger but wish
I had a bit more. I believe the problem is inadequate brake pressure due to
geometry, but I haven't measured it with a gauge yet. I did recently replace
my pads and found out for some reason I can't get long enough rivets. Does
anybody know what the deal is here. My back plates are aluminum and about
twice as thick as the steel ones in certified aircraft. I ended up machine
countersinking the rivets deeper into the backplate so that standard rivets
would work. Maybe I weakened them by doing this?
I see some disappointment with MAM in some recent letters, I used to get
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worth the effort.
Mike Betti
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I been out of touch with the group for a year and a half and had to see how
it was going out there. I been in contact with a couple builders since and
discussed some problems.
My Elite now has been flying for 2 years and about 110 hours. It is such a
great airplane! It seems to have the best of both worlds in short field and
cruise. I add VG's to it about a year ago which knocked 10 mph off my stall.
I still don't have the greatest brakes, maybe ok for a tail dragger but wish
I had a bit more. I believe the problem is inadequate brake pressure due to
geometry, but I haven't measured it with a gauge yet. I did recently replace
my pads and found out for some reason I can't get long enough rivets. Does
anybody know what the deal is here. My back plates are aluminum and about
twice as thick as the steel ones in certified aircraft. I ended up machine
countersinking the rivets deeper into the backplate so that standard rivets
would work. Maybe I weakened them by doing this?
I see some disappointment with MAM in some recent letters, I used to get
frustrated too when I was building. Hang in there the airplane is great and
worth the effort.
Mike Betti
N771ME
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Hi Mike
Nice to hear from you. I remember you as one who started building after me
and zoomed right past. I'm still enjoying the process though and never did
plan on getting it done quick. I'm getting there. Let us know of some
good flying destinations if you get a chance -- include pictures!
-Ben/ 496R
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Nice to hear from you. I remember you as one who started building after me
and zoomed right past. I'm still enjoying the process though and never did
plan on getting it done quick. I'm getting there. Let us know of some
good flying destinations if you get a chance -- include pictures!
-Ben/ 496R
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Hi builders,
I been out of touch with the group for a year and a half and had to see how
it was going out there. I been in contact with a couple builders since and
discussed some problems.
My Elite now has been flying for 2 years and about 110 hours. It is such a
great airplane! It seems to have the best of both worlds in short field and
cruise. I add VG's to it about a year ago which knocked 10 mph off my stall.
I still don't have the greatest brakes, maybe ok for a tail dragger but wish
I had a bit more. I believe the problem is inadequate brake pressure due to
geometry, but I haven't measured it with a gauge yet. I did recently replace
my pads and found out for some reason I can't get long enough rivets. Does
anybody know what the deal is here. My back plates are aluminum and about
twice as thick as the steel ones in certified aircraft. I ended up machine
countersinking the rivets deeper into the backplate so that standard rivets
would work. Maybe I weakened them by doing this?
I see some disappointment with MAM in some recent letters, I used to get
frustrated too when I was building. Hang in there the airplane is great and
worth the effort.
Mike Betti
N771ME
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Ralph Baker
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Mike,
Where did you get your Elite vortex generators and did they come with an installation template and / or dimensions for placement?
Thanks,
Ralph Baker
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Where did you get your Elite vortex generators and did they come with an installation template and / or dimensions for placement?
Thanks,
Ralph Baker
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bernard.liagre
Elite
Hello Bob ,
I have read the procedure to follow to buy a windshield and the engine
cowlings polyester for the Elite, I may have the wrong e mail, because
Murphy did not respond, can you confirm the 'e-mail address is what
Stephane Marois will always work ?
thank you for response
Best regards
Bernard
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I have read the procedure to follow to buy a windshield and the engine
cowlings polyester for the Elite, I may have the wrong e mail, because
Murphy did not respond, can you confirm the 'e-mail address is what
Stephane Marois will always work ?
thank you for response
Best regards
Bernard
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