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brad

Private Airstrips

Post by brad » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:54 am

Afternoon all,

A question for the Canadians in the group that are flying off of private
strips. What are the regulations for adding an airstrip to an acreage. Do you
licence them or just do it and hope no one notices. I live in Saskatchewan.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Brad Hewlett (R195)






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Wayne G. O'Shea

Private Airstrips

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:54 am

Brad...I've been through the fight and have all the documents if you get in
trouble!! Do not ever back down and apply for planning variances or building
permits.... or you will put a notch in the precedence that has been set that
aerodromes are fully under Federal jurisdiction.

Basically...clean as much as you need to get an airplane on the property
before letting anyone know what you are up to. The guy I had on a D5 just
told snoopers that we wanted some nice landscaping in our front yard. Half
way through his clearing process I landed my C182 on it and took pictures
with a time date on them. The second that my airplane touched the ground it
converted my property to fall under federal jurisdiction...as any surface
that an airplane has landed on or taken off from is an aerodrome. Since
aerodromes are under federal jurisdiction "the provinces and townships have
no capacity to access planning power over said property". Once your
aerodrome is in you can then proceed to build yourself a nice hanger without
a building permit and if you chose to do so have no need to build to code
either. You will of course still be subject to property value increase taxes
for the building.....but not for a grass runway as it's no different than a
lawn. Paved is another story!

As for registering...there is no need in Canada to make it legally an
aerodrome. It is also almost impossible these days to get it into the CFS as
it is now under Nav Canada's scrutiny and they seem to "form letter" every
private strip as a "hazard to aviation safety" and the reason they chose
this wording is it's the only way they can refuse publishing in the CFS.

Sorry to our US friends...but I understand it's not so easy south of our
border. Every county has control over where/what you can do with an
aerodrome apparently down there.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:23 PM
Subject: Private Airstrips

Afternoon all,

A question for the Canadians in the group that are flying off of private
strips. What are the regulations for adding an airstrip to an acreage. Do
you
licence them or just do it and hope no one notices. I live in
Saskatchewan.
Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Brad Hewlett (R195)






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brad

Private Airstrips

Post by brad » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:54 am

Thanks Wayne.

I'm not sure if it's even a concern yet. My wife and I have been looking at
different acreages. Depending on the RM some say whatever and some say no way.
It would seem that I should stop asking. (they can't say no that way)
From what you say it dosn't sound like they have much say in the matter.

Just to expand on your note about the US airstrips. I have talked to pilots in
a number of other countries and feel that for all the complaining guys do
about Canada we do have it better than most other countries when it comes to
flying.

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-> trouble!! Do not ever back down and apply for planning variances or building
-> permits.... or you will put a notch in the precedence that has been set that
-> aerodromes are fully under Federal jurisdiction.
->
-> Basically...clean as much as you need to get an airplane on the property
-> before letting anyone know what you are up to. The guy I had on a D5 just
-> told snoopers that we wanted some nice landscaping in our front yard. Half
-> way through his clearing process I landed my C182 on it and took pictures
-> with a time date on them. The second that my airplane touched the ground it
-> converted my property to fall under federal jurisdiction...as any surface
-> that an airplane has landed on or taken off from is an aerodrome. Since
-> aerodromes are under federal jurisdiction "the provinces and townships have
-> no capacity to access planning power over said property". Once your
-> aerodrome is in you can then proceed to build yourself a nice hanger without
-> a building permit and if you chose to do so have no need to build to code
-> either. You will of course still be subject to property value increase taxes
-> for the building.....but not for a grass runway as it's no different than a
-> lawn. Paved is another story!
->
-> As for registering...there is no need in Canada to make it legally an
-> aerodrome. It is also almost impossible these days to get it into the CFS as
-> it is now under Nav Canada's scrutiny and they seem to "form letter" every
-> private strip as a "hazard to aviation safety" and the reason they chose
-> this wording is it's the only way they can refuse publishing in the CFS.
->
-> Sorry to our US friends...but I understand it's not so easy south of our
-> border. Every county has control over where/what you can do with an
-> aerodrome apparently down there.
->
-> Cheers,
-> Wayne
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <brad@dcsol.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:23 PM
-> Subject: Private Airstrips
->
->
-> > Afternoon all,
-> >
-> > A question for the Canadians in the group that are flying off of private
-> > strips. What are the regulations for adding an airstrip to an acreage. Do
-> you
-> > licence them or just do it and hope no one notices. I live in
-> Saskatchewan.
-> >
-> > Any input would be appreciated.
-> >
-> > Thanks,
-> >
-> > Brad Hewlett (R195)
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
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Private Airstrips

Post by Skytrucks » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:54 am

Hello, I don't if it was right or wrong, but I bladed out over 20 airstrips
for a friend of mine that has a lot of acreage here in South central Montana.
He loves to play with his planes and all of his friends are welcome come play
on all the different strips. He never reported any of them to the feds. Nobody
here cares what we do on private land. I have my strip on the charts that I
built on my place in Wyoming, they say that may releive me of liability.
Thanks everybody for all the information I am getting this web site!
Larry Luckinbill
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Private Airstrips

Post by tlmcclary@juno.com » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:54 am

"Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca> wrote:
Sorry to our US friends...but I understand it's not so easy south of our border. Every county has control over where/what you can do with an
aerodrome apparently down there.

Cheers,
Wayne

-----

You are exactly right Wayne. The instructions for the FAA application for "Notice Of Landing Area Proposal" contain the statement: "Notification to the FAA does not waive the requirements of any other government agency." So even though a landing strip is an allowable conditional use for a farm, the local zoning board has the discretion to approve or deny the request to build a landing strip. The board doesn't follow the requirements of their zoning law, they approval based on public sentiment. (How many neighbors turn out for the meeting and whether the majority is pro or con.) So one disagreeing neighbor that rallys the troops can kill your plans. Sorry if I sound bitter...

Merry Christmas to the group.

Terry
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bosdes

Private Airstrips

Post by bosdes » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:54 am

'Tis easier to ask forgiveness than to get permission. Ted Hauri

-------------- Original message from "tlmcclary@juno.com" <tlmcclary@juno.com>: --------------

"Wayne G. O'Shea" wrote:
Sorry to our US friends...but I understand it's not so easy south of our border.
Every county has control over where/what you can do with an
aerodrome apparently down there.

Cheers,
Wayne

-----

You are exactly right Wayne. The instructions for the FAA application for
"Notice Of Landing Area Proposal" contain the statement: "Notification to the
FAA does not waive the requirements of any other government agency." So even
though a landing strip is an allowable conditional use for a farm, the local
zoning board has the discretion to approve or deny the request to build a
landing strip. The board doesn't follow the requirements of their zoning law,
they approval based on public sentiment. (How many neighbors turn out for the
meeting and whether the majority is pro or con.) So one disagreeing neighbor
that rallys the troops can kill your plans. Sorry if I sound bitter...

Merry Christmas to the group.

Terry
R666




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Warren & Marg Montgomery

Private Airstrips

Post by Warren & Marg Montgomery » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:54 am

Brad,

Isn't the whole province an airstrip ;-)
Talk to Jerry Halsall in YXE, He's completing his Moose has his own
strip just south of Circle Drive and Pres of the Sask RSA

Warren
Dubai, UAE
Formerly YHB

brad@dcsol.com wrote:
Afternoon all,

A question for the Canadians in the group that are flying off of private
strips. What are the regulations for adding an airstrip to an acreage. Do you
licence them or just do it and hope no one notices. I live in Saskatchewan.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Brad Hewlett (R195)






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Post by Drew Dalgleish » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:54 am

Now that there's some snow on the ground yes the whole country's an airstrip
Wayne got a flight report on the hydraulic wheelskis yet?

At 10:14 PM 12/21/2004 +0400, you wrote:
Brad,

Isn't the whole province an airstrip ;-)
Talk to Jerry Halsall in YXE, He's completing his Moose has his own
strip just south of Circle Drive and Pres of the Sask RSA

Warren
Dubai, UAE
Formerly YHB

brad@dcsol.com wrote:
Afternoon all,

A question for the Canadians in the group that are flying off of private
strips. What are the regulations for adding an airstrip to an acreage. Do
you
licence them or just do it and hope no one notices. I live in Saskatchewan.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Brad Hewlett (R195)






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Post by brad » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:54 am

Warren,

Thanks, I talk to Gerry on a regular basis. Actually I was at his place this
morning dropping something off for the RAA.

Always nice to get other opinions.

And yes, If you like gravel we have runways every mile square if you prefer
fields you don't have to travel that extra mile.


Brad,


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-> Brad,
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-> Isn't the whole province an airstrip ;-)
-> Talk to Jerry Halsall in YXE, He's completing his Moose has his own
-> strip just south of Circle Drive and Pres of the Sask RSA
->
-> Warren
-> Dubai, UAE
-> Formerly YHB
->
-> brad@dcsol.com wrote:
->
-> >Afternoon all,
-> >
-> >A question for the Canadians in the group that are flying off of private
-> >strips. What are the regulations for adding an airstrip to an acreage. Do
you
-> >licence them or just do it and hope no one notices. I live in
Saskatchewan.
-> >
-> >Any input would be appreciated.
-> >
-> >Thanks,
-> >
-> >Brad Hewlett (R195)
-> >
-> >
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Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:54 am

Watch that they don't make you get a licence plate to hang on your lift
strut... to use the roads though! :o))

----- Original Message -----
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Warren,

Thanks, I talk to Gerry on a regular basis. Actually I was at his place
this
morning dropping something off for the RAA.

Always nice to get other opinions.

And yes, If you like gravel we have runways every mile square if you
prefer
fields you don't have to travel that extra mile.


Brad,


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-> strip just south of Circle Drive and Pres of the Sask RSA
->
-> Warren
-> Dubai, UAE
-> Formerly YHB
->
-> brad@dcsol.com wrote:
->
-> >Afternoon all,
-> >
-> >A question for the Canadians in the group that are flying off of
private
-> >strips. What are the regulations for adding an airstrip to an acreage.
Do
you
-> >licence them or just do it and hope no one notices. I live in
Saskatchewan.
-> >
-> >Any input would be appreciated.
-> >
-> >Thanks,
-> >
-> >Brad Hewlett (R195)
-> >
-> >
-> >
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Post by Ken » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:54 am

Texas seems like the place to be.
ftp://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot-inf ... strips.pdf
Ken

tlmcclary@juno.com wrote:
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