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Bob Patterson
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Hi Brad !
I dunno, but, unless you're planning a lot of IFR, with an autopilot,
I wouldn't bother !! Never flew one with rudder trim, and didn't miss it !
"Keep it SIMPLE, finish it QUICK, and GO FLYING !!! " :-)
You can always add stuff later - but I'll bet you'll be having 'way too
much fun to want to !!! :-)
........bobp
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I dunno, but, unless you're planning a lot of IFR, with an autopilot,
I wouldn't bother !! Never flew one with rudder trim, and didn't miss it !
"Keep it SIMPLE, finish it QUICK, and GO FLYING !!! " :-)
You can always add stuff later - but I'll bet you'll be having 'way too
much fun to want to !!! :-)
........bobp
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Ted Waltman
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There's electric trim on mine. I use it a fair amount on cross-country
flights; not sure it is worth it if a high % of your flying is local.
I'll post pictures next time I'm out at the airport.
Ted
142SR
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flights; not sure it is worth it if a high % of your flying is local.
I'll post pictures next time I'm out at the airport.
Ted
142SR
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Al Paxhia
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I installed electric rudder trim. In over 400 hours I can not remember the
last time I touched the rudder trim. I would not recommend going to the
trouble of installing.
Al
Moose, N526AP
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last time I touched the rudder trim. I would not recommend going to the
trouble of installing.
Al
Moose, N526AP
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Reed Britt Civ OO-ALC/MAD
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Brad - I added the rudder trim - Talked to the guys at Ray Allen (Servo Mfg)
and they suggested a 6" trim about 2" (they were laughing about the size of
the elev trim)- worked out to half a bay and two or three rivets in - Scott
Aldrich pointed out that you should put it up in the clean air away from the
fuse turbulence which also keeps the rudder from interfering with the elev
in a full deflection situation. I put an extra rib (halfway made it 6") in
the bay under the mid hinge and put it in the upper half of that bay.
Is it needed? Your guess is as good as mine - I also put in an aileron trim
tab - Go figure..
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and they suggested a 6" trim about 2" (they were laughing about the size of
the elev trim)- worked out to half a bay and two or three rivets in - Scott
Aldrich pointed out that you should put it up in the clean air away from the
fuse turbulence which also keeps the rudder from interfering with the elev
in a full deflection situation. I put an extra rib (halfway made it 6") in
the bay under the mid hinge and put it in the upper half of that bay.
Is it needed? Your guess is as good as mine - I also put in an aileron trim
tab - Go figure..
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Scott Aldrich
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Brad both of the flight reviews published about the M14 powered Moose
commented on the need for rudder trim. That was with the V-530 propeller.
It appears a fixed ground adjustable tab is adequate though.
As Britt mentioned, my first rudder trim I just copied the elevator trim as
far as chord goes, I thought this would be easiest at the time. It was bad
idea due to elevator hitting the trim tab with full rudder deflection. I
remade the trim tab with a 2 inch chord; this keeps it behind the reach of
the elevator. I used an identical servo as the elevator.
Another builder made a spring and cable tension system up in the cockpit
floor that repositions the centering of the rudder pedals.
Scott
PS. Steve will tell you I need a yaw damper, not rudder trim - don't listen
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commented on the need for rudder trim. That was with the V-530 propeller.
It appears a fixed ground adjustable tab is adequate though.
As Britt mentioned, my first rudder trim I just copied the elevator trim as
far as chord goes, I thought this would be easiest at the time. It was bad
idea due to elevator hitting the trim tab with full rudder deflection. I
remade the trim tab with a 2 inch chord; this keeps it behind the reach of
the elevator. I used an identical servo as the elevator.
Another builder made a spring and cable tension system up in the cockpit
floor that repositions the centering of the rudder pedals.
Scott
PS. Steve will tell you I need a yaw damper, not rudder trim - don't listen
to him.
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Brad - I added the rudder trim - Talked to the guys at Ray Allen (Servo
Mfg)
and they suggested a 6" trim about 2" (they were laughing about the size
of
the elev trim)- worked out to half a bay and two or three rivets in -
Scott
Aldrich pointed out that you should put it up in the clean air away from
the
fuse turbulence which also keeps the rudder from interfering with the elev
in a full deflection situation. I put an extra rib (halfway made it 6")
in
the bay under the mid hinge and put it in the upper half of that bay.
Is it needed? Your guess is as good as mine - I also put in an aileron
trim
tab - Go figure..
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Scott Aldrich
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Another thought on the rudder trim: As Steve pointed out yesterday, if you
are ever going to put an external load on (i.e. see picture of Robin with
the canoe in every Moose advertisement) your foot is going to get real
tired. I would rather have it and not use it than not have it and wish I
did (sort of like fuel or left over landing distance).
FWIW - WWDYFO
Scott
Moose 174
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are ever going to put an external load on (i.e. see picture of Robin with
the canoe in every Moose advertisement) your foot is going to get real
tired. I would rather have it and not use it than not have it and wish I
did (sort of like fuel or left over landing distance).
FWIW - WWDYFO
Scott
Moose 174
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Hey Scott,
I have always wondered, do you really think they flew the airplane with the
canoe?
Al
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I have always wondered, do you really think they flew the airplane with the
canoe?
Al
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Another thought on the rudder trim: As Steve pointed out yesterday, if you
are ever going to put an external load on (i.e. see picture of Robin with
the canoe in every Moose advertisement) your foot is going to get real
tired. I would rather have it and not use it than not have it and wish I
did (sort of like fuel or left over landing distance).
FWIW - WWDYFO
Scott
Moose 174
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Nielsenbe
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So I think I will install the trim setup. I should just need three extra
rudder ribs right? One full length to split a bay and two that can be cut off
like the elevator ribs are. Then two pieces of channel for each side and a
hinge. So if I make it half a bay and 2" deep that is enough? I think that was
one of the dimensions someone replied with but I want to double check. Thanks
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rudder ribs right? One full length to split a bay and two that can be cut off
like the elevator ribs are. Then two pieces of channel for each side and a
hinge. So if I make it half a bay and 2" deep that is enough? I think that was
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Scott Aldrich
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Al, yes - Robin did fly with the canoe attached and he said rudder trim
would have been an asset.
Scott
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Hey Scott,
I have always wondered, do you really think they flew the airplane with the
canoe?
Al
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would have been an asset.
Scott
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Hey Scott,
I have always wondered, do you really think they flew the airplane with the
canoe?
Al
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Another thought on the rudder trim: As Steve pointed out yesterday, if you
are ever going to put an external load on (i.e. see picture of Robin with
the canoe in every Moose advertisement) your foot is going to get real
tired. I would rather have it and not use it than not have it and wish I
did (sort of like fuel or left over landing distance).
FWIW - WWDYFO
Scott
Moose 174
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Reed Britt Civ OO-ALC/MAD
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Brad - Are you planning on flying in the Northern Hemisphere or the Southern
Hemisphere?
Actually a good question - I didn't even think about it - I too am going to
run a v8 - I think the different PSRU's might spin different directions but
I haven't worried about it yet - I did think about a gap seal on the super
large elevator trim -
Britt SR194
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The other question is what side the trim tab should hinge on. I am planning
on a V-8 installation as of now. With so many other people ahead of my you
guys will have most of the bugs worked out.........thanks
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Hemisphere?
Actually a good question - I didn't even think about it - I too am going to
run a v8 - I think the different PSRU's might spin different directions but
I haven't worried about it yet - I did think about a gap seal on the super
large elevator trim -
Britt SR194
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The other question is what side the trim tab should hinge on. I am planning
on a V-8 installation as of now. With so many other people ahead of my you
guys will have most of the bugs worked out.........thanks
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All the chain and belts drive are CW , all 3 gear drives are CW, 2 gear
drives (Predators and Team 38 uses a Stinger drive) and they are CCW
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drives (Predators and Team 38 uses a Stinger drive) and they are CCW
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Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: moose rudder trim??
Brad - Are you planning on flying in the Northern Hemisphere or the
Southern
Hemisphere?
Actually a good question - I didn't even think about it - I too am going
to
run a v8 - I think the different PSRU's might spin different directions
but
I haven't worried about it yet - I did think about a gap seal on the super
large elevator trim -
Britt SR194
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The other question is what side the trim tab should hinge on. I am
planning
on a V-8 installation as of now. With so many other people ahead of my you
guys will have most of the bugs worked out.........thanks
Brad
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Nielsenbe
moose rudder trim??
The other question is what side the trim tab should hinge on. I am planning
on a V-8 installation as of now. With so many other people ahead of my you
guys will have most of the bugs worked out.........thanks
Brad
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on a V-8 installation as of now. With so many other people ahead of my you
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Brad
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Al Paxhia
moose rudder trim??
Brad,
I went a full bay by 2" I posted a picture.
Al
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I went a full bay by 2" I posted a picture.
Al
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So I think I will install the trim setup. I should just need three extra
rudder ribs right? One full length to split a bay and two that can be cut
off
like the elevator ribs are. Then two pieces of channel for each side and a
hinge. So if I make it half a bay and 2" deep that is enough? I think that
was
one of the dimensions someone replied with but I want to double check.
Thanks
for all the responses.
Brad
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Reed Britt Civ OO-ALC/MAD
moose rudder trim??
That is interesting - I didn't know that team 38 also uses the Stinger.
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larry173
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: moose rudder trim??
All the chain and belts drive are CW , all 3 gear drives are CW, 2 gear
drives (Predators and Team 38 uses a Stinger drive) and they are CCW
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
larry173
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:27 PM
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Subject: Re: moose rudder trim??
All the chain and belts drive are CW , all 3 gear drives are CW, 2 gear
drives (Predators and Team 38 uses a Stinger drive) and they are CCW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Reed Britt Civ OO-ALC/MADE" <Britt.REED@HILL.af.mil>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: moose rudder trim??
Brad - Are you planning on flying in the Northern Hemisphere or the
Southern
Hemisphere?
Actually a good question - I didn't even think about it - I too am going
to
run a v8 - I think the different PSRU's might spin different directions
but
I haven't worried about it yet - I did think about a gap seal on the super
large elevator trim -
Britt SR194
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Nielsenbe@aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:26 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: moose rudder trim??
The other question is what side the trim tab should hinge on. I am
planning
on a V-8 installation as of now. With so many other people ahead of my you
guys will have most of the bugs worked out.........thanks
Brad
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