Reinforced tail spring

Ted Waltman · Post by **Ted Waltman** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:49 am

Al,

Questions based on your post:

- I assume the mounting bracket had the four holes originally; that you
didn't create a new one or add holes to the (green in your picture)
mounting bracket itself--correct?

- Do you think drilling through the spring itself to create the 2nd hole
creates an additional (potential) stress point? In other words, what's
worse--a potential failure of the spring due to two holes versus
otherwise (how?) fixing the elongated hole problem in the mounting
bracket?

- Why did you mount one gusset outside and one inside of the bracket?

Thank you,

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Al
Paxhia
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:56 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Moose tail wheel

I uploaded a couple of pictures of the re-enforced tail spring. The
problem
with the old tailwheel installation is the single bolt at the forward
end of
the tail spring. The holes in the mounting brackets have elongated so
the
tailwheel has side to side slop. I reinforced the mounting by adding a
second bolt to the tail spring thru gussets on each side of the tail
spring
and two more bolts in the mounting brackets also the gussets pick up the

original tail spring bolt. There is a spacer in the upper bolt to space
out
the mounting brackets. One gusset is between the tail spring and the
bracket
the other gusset is on the outside of the bracket. In the original
installation, the tail spring was mounted to the lower hole in the
mounting
brackets since the tail spring now has more bend in it (from use) I
moved
the mounting up one hole. As soon as it stops raining for a hour or two
I
plan to check it out.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:19 PM
Subject: RE: Moose tail wheel

Al,

Thanks for uploading the pictures. While it is always hard to tell
details from pictures, at first glance it appears as the only
difference (between std & elite) is the actual fork assembly (and
wheel of course). It looks as if the bracket assembly is essentially
the same.

Another question I have is, with the new vs std, what would you
consider the weak point of each to be?

Is the Elite version compatible with a U.S. tire/tube, or is one still

importing an odd Chinese (other?) make/model?

Have you taxi or landed much on the Elite wheel yet? I'm curious
about your impressions regarding steerability, shimmy, side-to-side
play, et cetera.

Thanks,

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Al Paxhia
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:04 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Moose tail wheel

I uploaded a couple of pictures of the Elite nose wheel mounted as a
tailwheel and a side by side with the old tail wheel. The next step is

to change the mounting of the forward end of the stinger. My plan is
to gusset the stinger to the bracket, picking up two more holes in the

brackets and drill an additional hole in the stinger. If anyone has
any thoughts on the mounting I am interested in other views. I'm
dragging my heels to get on with it because I hate to cut holes in the

side of a good tailcone to get at the bolt. Al Moose, N526AP

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Al Paxhia · Post by **Al Paxhia** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:49 am

Hi Ted,
Answers below.
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: Reinforced tail spring

Al,

Questions based on your post:

- I assume the mounting bracket had the four holes originally; that you
didn't create a new one or add holes to the (green in your picture)
mounting bracket itself--correct?

I did not add new holes, my brackets have six sets of holes.

- Do you think drilling through the spring itself to create the 2nd hole
creates an additional (potential) stress point? In other words, what's
worse--a potential failure of the spring due to two holes versus
otherwise (how?) fixing the elongated hole problem in the mounting
bracket?

Two thoughts on the extra hole, one is the stress from the second hole and
the other thought is, now the tail spring is rigid at this point. The
original installation with a single bolt allows some rotation at the bolt
when the spring flexes (very small). Having considered this I did what I
did. My analysis is that the weakest link in my solution is the gusetts and
they may fail first, therefor another place to keep an eye open on. Most of
the spring action is outside the airplane between the swivel joint and the
tailwheel.
I also think the mounting brackets and tailspring are are weak. My
tailspring is a tube inside another tube, light weight but I'm not sure
strong enough for a 3500 lb airplane on rough surfaces. I don't believe what
I've done is the ultimate solution, but it's light weigh, and time will
tell.

- Why did you mount one gusset outside and one inside of the bracket?

The diameter of the tailspring is just under 1" the brackets are spaced at
over 1" so the space is filled with one gusett and therefor the other gusett
is on the outside. There is an additional spacer (two washers) on the
outside gusett to account for the thickness of the bracket at the second
tail spring hole.
I hope this helps,
Al

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bscheube · Post by **bscheube** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:49 am

Hi all,
this is my first post to this site and is probably a dumb question, but how
do you look ath the uploaded pictures that you are referring to?
thanks.
Bob

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-> Al,
->
-> Questions based on your post:
->
-> - I assume the mounting bracket had the four holes originally; that you
-> didn't create a new one or add holes to the (green in your picture)
-> mounting bracket itself--correct?
->
-> - Do you think drilling through the spring itself to create the 2nd hole
-> creates an additional (potential) stress point? In other words, what's
-> worse--a potential failure of the spring due to two holes versus
-> otherwise (how?) fixing the elongated hole problem in the mounting
-> bracket?
->
-> - Why did you mount one gusset outside and one inside of the bracket?
->
-> Thank you,
->
-> Ted
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Al
-> Paxhia
-> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:56 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: Moose tail wheel
->
->
-> I uploaded a couple of pictures of the re-enforced tail spring. The
-> problem
-> with the old tailwheel installation is the single bolt at the forward
-> end of
-> the tail spring. The holes in the mounting brackets have elongated so
-> the
-> tailwheel has side to side slop. I reinforced the mounting by adding a
-> second bolt to the tail spring thru gussets on each side of the tail
-> spring
-> and two more bolts in the mounting brackets also the gussets pick up the
->
-> original tail spring bolt. There is a spacer in the upper bolt to space
-> out
-> the mounting brackets. One gusset is between the tail spring and the
-> bracket
-> the other gusset is on the outside of the bracket. In the original
-> installation, the tail spring was mounted to the lower hole in the
-> mounting
-> brackets since the tail spring now has more bend in it (from use) I
-> moved
-> the mounting up one hole. As soon as it stops raining for a hour or two
-> I
-> plan to check it out.
-> Al
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:19 PM
-> Subject: RE: Moose tail wheel
->
->
-> > Al,
-> >
-> > Thanks for uploading the pictures. While it is always hard to tell
-> > details from pictures, at first glance it appears as the only
-> > difference (between std & elite) is the actual fork assembly (and
-> > wheel of course). It looks as if the bracket assembly is essentially
-> > the same.
-> >
-> > Another question I have is, with the new vs std, what would you
-> > consider the weak point of each to be?
-> >
-> > Is the Elite version compatible with a U.S. tire/tube, or is one still
->
-> > importing an odd Chinese (other?) make/model?
-> >
-> > Have you taxi or landed much on the Elite wheel yet? I'm curious
-> > about your impressions regarding steerability, shimmy, side-to-side
-> > play, et cetera.
-> >
-> > Thanks,
-> >
-> > Ted
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
-> > Al Paxhia
-> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:04 PM
-> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > Subject: Moose tail wheel
-> >
-> >
-> > I uploaded a couple of pictures of the Elite nose wheel mounted as a
-> > tailwheel and a side by side with the old tail wheel. The next step is
->
-> > to change the mounting of the forward end of the stinger. My plan is
-> > to gusset the stinger to the bracket, picking up two more holes in the
->
-> > brackets and drill an additional hole in the stinger. If anyone has
-> > any thoughts on the mounting I am interested in other views. I'm
-> > dragging my heels to get on with it because I hate to cut holes in the
->
-> > side of a good tailcone to get at the bolt. Al Moose, N526AP
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:49 am

Link is on the bottom of every email. Do what it says re: user name
Rebel...password.. builder or set up your own unique account. Cheers, Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <bscheube@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: Reinforced tail spring

Hi all,
this is my first post to this site and is probably a dumb question, but

how

do you look ath the uploaded pictures that you are referring to?
thanks.
Bob

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-> Al,
->
-> Questions based on your post:
->
-> - I assume the mounting bracket had the four holes originally; that you
-> didn't create a new one or add holes to the (green in your picture)
-> mounting bracket itself--correct?
->
-> - Do you think drilling through the spring itself to create the 2nd

hole

-> creates an additional (potential) stress point? In other words, what's
-> worse--a potential failure of the spring due to two holes versus
-> otherwise (how?) fixing the elongated hole problem in the mounting
-> bracket?
->
-> - Why did you mount one gusset outside and one inside of the bracket?
->
-> Thank you,
->
-> Ted
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Al

-> Paxhia
-> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:56 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: Moose tail wheel
->
->
-> I uploaded a couple of pictures of the re-enforced tail spring. The
-> problem
-> with the old tailwheel installation is the single bolt at the forward
-> end of
-> the tail spring. The holes in the mounting brackets have elongated so
-> the
-> tailwheel has side to side slop. I reinforced the mounting by adding a
-> second bolt to the tail spring thru gussets on each side of the tail
-> spring
-> and two more bolts in the mounting brackets also the gussets pick up

the

->
-> original tail spring bolt. There is a spacer in the upper bolt to space
-> out
-> the mounting brackets. One gusset is between the tail spring and the
-> bracket
-> the other gusset is on the outside of the bracket. In the original
-> installation, the tail spring was mounted to the lower hole in the
-> mounting
-> brackets since the tail spring now has more bend in it (from use) I
-> moved
-> the mounting up one hole. As soon as it stops raining for a hour or two
-> I
-> plan to check it out.
-> Al
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:19 PM
-> Subject: RE: Moose tail wheel
->
->
-> > Al,
-> >
-> > Thanks for uploading the pictures. While it is always hard to tell
-> > details from pictures, at first glance it appears as the only
-> > difference (between std & elite) is the actual fork assembly (and
-> > wheel of course). It looks as if the bracket assembly is essentially
-> > the same.
-> >
-> > Another question I have is, with the new vs std, what would you
-> > consider the weak point of each to be?
-> >
-> > Is the Elite version compatible with a U.S. tire/tube, or is one

still

->
-> > importing an odd Chinese (other?) make/model?
-> >
-> > Have you taxi or landed much on the Elite wheel yet? I'm curious
-> > about your impressions regarding steerability, shimmy, side-to-side
-> > play, et cetera.
-> >
-> > Thanks,
-> >
-> > Ted
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
-> > Al Paxhia
-> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:04 PM
-> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > Subject: Moose tail wheel
-> >
-> >
-> > I uploaded a couple of pictures of the Elite nose wheel mounted as a
-> > tailwheel and a side by side with the old tail wheel. The next step

is

->
-> > to change the mounting of the forward end of the stinger. My plan is
-> > to gusset the stinger to the bracket, picking up two more holes in

the

->
-> > brackets and drill an additional hole in the stinger. If anyone has
-> > any thoughts on the mounting I am interested in other views. I'm
-> > dragging my heels to get on with it because I hate to cut holes in

the

->
-> > side of a good tailcone to get at the bolt. Al Moose, N526AP
-> >
-> >
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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:49 am

Hi Bob, once you're logged into the archive site, like you were when you
posted this message, click on "Files" at the top of the page, then you can
click "New" to see the files posted in the last X days, 7 by default. Or
click on a file group... SR-Moose, Elite, or Rebel to see the different file
areas in that group. Once you click on a group and it expands, click on a
file area to view the files in that area... S/M-Horzontal Stab for instance.
Now the files in that area will be displayed. Clicking on the file name
displays the actual photo. Depending whether you are in Frames or No Frames
mode, this may happen all on one screen, or different panels (frames) of the
screen.

Mike

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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Reinforced tail spring

Hi all,
this is my first post to this site and is probably a dumb question, but
how
do you look ath the uploaded pictures that you are referring to?
thanks.
Bob

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