What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

[del.schmucker]

What I have for docking my Rebel is 32 foot dock that I can taxi upto then
along the side I have made a rail system with a "cart" that the Rebel sits
on and then is winched out.

I made the rail out of 2X4 steel tubing. These are welded together with
Angle exactly the width of the keels on the floats. The "cart is just a
12X12 frame of angle welded together with a couple of 2X12 that the floats
actually sit on. The wheels are just boat trailer rollers that roll on the
rails. Currently the winch is a boat trailer hand crank. I see that they
have 12 volt 2500 LB winches with a wireless remote available for ATV's that
I plan to use next year then pulling the airplane out of the water is a one
man operation. My shoreline bottom is solid enough that the rails just sit
on it with the angle crosspieces and seems to work well. Removing the
aircraft from the water takes all of a couple of minutes with 2 people.

The most common method here in Northwestern Ontario seems to be wooden ramps
that they taxi the aircraft up on with power. Usually we find that using
2-3" (thick) rough sawed Poplar planks will last for quite a few years on
the docks. I just wasn't comfortable sliding my Murphy floats over the
ramps on a regular basis like they do with the EDO's.

For a dock mine was just a commercially manufactured dock with vinyl
removable decking. The outer "feet" have wheels that you can crank down,
taking the dock out in the fall and putting it the spring can be
accomplished in 15-30 minutes.



Thank You,

Del Schmucker
Information Systems Manager
Keewatin-Patricia District School Board
807-223-1254
807-221-8769 Cell
807-223-4703 Fax
del.schmucker@kpdsb.on.ca
www.kpdsb.on.ca

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[Walter Klatt]

Thanks for reminding me, Curt. I need to talk to Julius again to
see if they can do another run. I got mine from the first run,
and they installed just fine and work great. No more broken
plastic covers, and I was even able to salvage a couple of
partially cracked ones with these flanges. I know there were
about 10 guys that said they were interested, so I think that is
probably enough for a run.

Walter

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Hey Walter,
Did you ever go thru with the access cover
thing? Curt N97MR




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[Legeorgen]

I think Healing up on a beach is the best but if you can't beach I like tires
that extend into the water from a dock if you have to dock. I carry 3 of the
plastic tubes I bought from Lake And Air in the back and they come in handy
when a doc has no tires only they are limited in there ability to protect the
floats in rough water.

I bought 2 Easy-Docks (floating plastic docks with a boat ramp bit in to
them) to try next year at the lake. I haven't used them yet but they look like
they will work very well to just run the plane up on and tie to the dock much
like a plane ramp at a sea plane dock.

I agree with get it out of the water or you will not sleep good.

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[Legeorgen]

Sounds like a great time Wayne. I'm for 2006 as well for it will take me all
summer to finish the cabin. I'm planning on some local stuff like Arlington
and then BC if Walter has the time as it sounds like he will be busy next summer
too.

Walter, I have to retrieve all that camping gear I left in your garage.

Bruce




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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Hey Bruce..just buy new stuff and leave that there for the next trip
North... to lighten the boarder crossing load!! Walter's wife won't mind!
)

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Walter, I have to retrieve all that camping gear I left in your garage.

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[Walter Klatt]

Hey, Bruce, no problem with doing stuff around BC next year. I
just don't think I can take 2 weeks to go on a longer trip out
east. 2006 should be OK for that. And no problem keeping the
camping gear for you. Don't think you'll need it in the winter
anyway.

There is also a floatplane fly-in in June to Yellowknife next
year, so might take a week for that, too.

Walter

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Sounds like a great time Wayne. I'm for 2006 as well
for it will take me all
summer to finish the cabin. I'm planning on some local
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and then BC if Walter has the time as it sounds like
he will be busy next summer
too.

Walter, I have to retrieve all that camping gear I
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Bruce




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[brad]

As you guys are talking about trips East and West keep in mind a place called
Saskatoon. (yes in Saskatchewan)

Great hospitality for a night or two as you are passing by.

Brad, R195
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-> just don't think I can take 2 weeks to go on a longer trip out
-> east. 2006 should be OK for that. And no problem keeping the
-> camping gear for you. Don't think you'll need it in the winter
-> anyway.
->
-> There is also a floatplane fly-in in June to Yellowknife next
-> year, so might take a week for that, too.
->
-> Walter
->
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-> > your floatplane??
-> >
-> >
-> > Sounds like a great time Wayne. I'm for 2006 as well
-> > for it will take me all
-> > summer to finish the cabin. I'm planning on some local
-> > stuff like Arlington
-> > and then BC if Walter has the time as it sounds like
-> > he will be busy next summer
-> > too.
-> >
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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Get that thing done and scramble up into formation as they fly by Brad!!
) Wayne

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Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

As you guys are talking about trips East and West keep in mind a place

called

Saskatoon. (yes in Saskatchewan)

Great hospitality for a night or two as you are passing by.

Brad, R195
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-> just don't think I can take 2 weeks to go on a longer trip out
-> east. 2006 should be OK for that. And no problem keeping the
-> camping gear for you. Don't think you'll need it in the winter
-> anyway.
->
-> There is also a floatplane fly-in in June to Yellowknife next
-> year, so might take a week for that, too.
->
-> Walter
->
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> > Legeorgen@aol.com
-> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:32 AM
-> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp
-> > your floatplane??
-> >
-> >
-> > Sounds like a great time Wayne. I'm for 2006 as well
-> > for it will take me all
-> > summer to finish the cabin. I'm planning on some local
-> > stuff like Arlington
-> > and then BC if Walter has the time as it sounds like
-> > he will be busy next summer
-> > too.
-> >
-> > Walter, I have to retrieve all that camping gear I
-> > left in your garage.
-> >
-> > Bruce
-> >
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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Al and/or Ryan...what is the center to center width for the keel strips and
total overall outside to outside width of your floats?

Knowing that... then I won't have too narrow of a ramp for you when you
arrive...or if I ever get off my ass and pull my Moose back out of the
marine container....finish it and mount those EDO 3500's I have for it
...that are collecting dust.

Thanks,
Wayne

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Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

Hi Ryan,
Welcome to the list.
Al
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Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

This is the first time I've responded to the email list as I've just
signed up, however the float docking question is of interest to me. I
have only about 150 hours on a 400 hp Moose with amphibs so I must say
the safest place is in the hanger. But on the lake I have found that a
good Buoy and a couple of 45 gallon plastic drums work fairly well. Tie
two 25' lines from the float tips to the buoy and a rope from each wing
to a mostly submerged plastic drum. The plane is free to rotate 360
degrees around the buoy as the wind changes but side gusts are muted by
the plastic drums. This is how I do it now, but I always worry about
it. Out of the water would be a better sleep.

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[WALTER KLATT]

Hey Brad, flew right by there last year on my way back to the coast from Swan River, Man. (nice easy day trip). Didn't see a lot of water around there, though. Stopped at Humboldt for fuel, and got swarmed by grasshoppers while there. I think I still have a few of them stuck in the leading edges of my wings... But if we do go to Yellowknife next June, you're just south of there, right?

Walter

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Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2004 1:09 pm
Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

As you guys are talking about trips East and West keep in mind a
place called
Saskatoon. (yes in Saskatchewan)

Great hospitality for a night or two as you are passing by.

Brad, R195
bhewlett@omni-techsys.com

-> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:52:28 -0800

-> From: Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
-> Subject: RE: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your
floatplane> ->
-> Hey, Bruce, no problem with doing stuff around BC next year. I
-> just don't think I can take 2 weeks to go on a longer trip out
-> east. 2006 should be OK for that. And no problem keeping the
-> camping gear for you. Don't think you'll need it in the winter
-> anyway.
->
-> There is also a floatplane fly-in in June to Yellowknife next
-> year, so might take a week for that, too.
->
-> Walter
->
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > [mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> > Legeorgen@aol.com
-> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:32 AM
-> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp
-> > your floatplane??
-> >
-> >
-> > Sounds like a great time Wayne. I'm for 2006 as well
-> > for it will take me all
-> > summer to finish the cabin. I'm planning on some local
-> > stuff like Arlington
-> > and then BC if Walter has the time as it sounds like
-> > he will be busy next summer
-> > too.
-> >
-> > Walter, I have to retrieve all that camping gear I
-> > left in your garage.
-> >
-> > Bruce
-> >
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[bransom]

OK, yeah, this is fun reading this stuff... not too many homebuild lists go
here! So far, I've learned to bring beer and steaks ...but another question
comes to mind.

I'm picturing the scenario where one goes camping and there are no docks.
Typically one would beach (heel) the plane, but this can't be easy. How do
you get the plane dragged up enf to tie it down adequately to sleep okay thru
a storm? (ok in a storm means any sleep at all, or even a short nap :) )

-Ben /496R ...inspired to rivet faster



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[Walter Klatt]

To heel beach the plane, your first challenge is to find suitable
shoreline, with no rocks and just the right depth of water. Too
shallow, and you won't get it close enough to pull the heels out
of the water. Too steep, and again you won't be able to pull it
out enough to hold in position. Best is sand, and to be safe put
pieces of wood under the heel keels so that any stone or gravel
is not rubbing a hole in your aluminum skins. You drag it up by
lifting your tail skid, which used to have a tail wheel on it,
and haul it back/up as far as you can. Then if you are leaving it
for any time, you should tie it down, preferably with long ropes
from the front float cleats to the sides.

If you are good at this, you should be able to do it all without
ever getting your feet wet.

If you need to weather a storm, I have heard that you should
partially fill the float compartments with water, so it settles
firmly on the ground, and doesn't move with the waves. Then pump
them back out when you are ready to leave. Not sure if I would do
this personally, as I would be concerned about sinking them too
far, and not being able to pump out all the water. Then you would
really be stuck.

There is a really good float book that tells you everything you
need to know about floatplanes. It's called "Flying a Floatplane"
by C. Marin Faure. It's a good idea to read this before your
first float lesson.

Walter

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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:45 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp
your floatplane??


OK, yeah, this is fun reading this stuff... not too
many homebuild lists go
here! So far, I've learned to bring beer and steaks
...but another question
comes to mind.

I'm picturing the scenario where one goes camping and
there are no docks.
Typically one would beach (heel) the plane, but this
can't be easy. How do
you get the plane dragged up enf to tie it down
adequately to sleep okay thru
a storm? (ok in a storm means any sleep at all, or
even a short nap :) )

-Ben /496R ...inspired to rivet faster



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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

And don't you just hate those lists!!??..where nobody uses their real names
and are quick to jump down your throat if you get even slightly off topic..
and usually only because you can't find where they live to retaliate..since
you don't even know who they are!!

Sorry to anyone that thinks I (we) get a bit off track from time to time
around here...but I think it brings us all much more together as a "family"
with common interests and uses of airplanes. I know talks of guys having fun
with the finished product might be a little frustrating to the guy just
starting his tailfeathers,...but I know it helps "light a fire" under a
number of builders out there to get the thing done and enjoy it.

As for beaching the float plane. I'd be inclined to find a dead fall tree or
drift wood to put under the float keels if beaching for any time period.
Sand can be pretty abrasive and don't forget that stirring it up around the
amphib gear mechanism is not the greatest idea. All depends on the shoreline
I guess. Some places around Georgian Bay ( The rocky section of Lake Huron)
you can just put the gear down and drive right up onto the rock shoals. On
other mixture shorelines I'd be temped to put the gear down and then pull it
backwards onto the beach as best I could so the tires and not the keels
where on bottom and tie off with those 2 x 50' ropes you should be carrying
(at a minimum). At least that way if the wind comes up in the night the
tires are banging bottom and not that .025/.032 aluminum sheet.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <bransom@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

OK, yeah, this is fun reading this stuff... not too many homebuild lists

go

here! So far, I've learned to bring beer and steaks ...but another

question

comes to mind.

I'm picturing the scenario where one goes camping and there are no docks.
Typically one would beach (heel) the plane, but this can't be easy. How

do

you get the plane dragged up enf to tie it down adequately to sleep okay

thru

a storm? (ok in a storm means any sleep at all, or even a short nap :) )

-Ben /496R ...inspired to rivet faster



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[Drew Dalgleish]

That brings up another question I've had. How steep a boat ramp will the
plane climb or is going down a bigger challenge

At 10:36 PM 11/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:

And don't you just hate those lists!!??..where nobody uses their real names
and are quick to jump down your throat if you get even slightly off topic..
and usually only because you can't find where they live to retaliate..since
you don't even know who they are!!

Sorry to anyone that thinks I (we) get a bit off track from time to time
around here...but I think it brings us all much more together as a "family"
with common interests and uses of airplanes. I know talks of guys having fun
with the finished product might be a little frustrating to the guy just
starting his tailfeathers,...but I know it helps "light a fire" under a
number of builders out there to get the thing done and enjoy it.

As for beaching the float plane. I'd be inclined to find a dead fall tree or
drift wood to put under the float keels if beaching for any time period.
Sand can be pretty abrasive and don't forget that stirring it up around the
amphib gear mechanism is not the greatest idea. All depends on the shoreline
I guess. Some places around Georgian Bay ( The rocky section of Lake Huron)
you can just put the gear down and drive right up onto the rock shoals. On
other mixture shorelines I'd be temped to put the gear down and then pull it
backwards onto the beach as best I could so the tires and not the keels
where on bottom and tie off with those 2 x 50' ropes you should be carrying
(at a minimum). At least that way if the wind comes up in the night the
tires are banging bottom and not that .025/.032 aluminum sheet.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <bransom@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

OK, yeah, this is fun reading this stuff... not too many homebuild lists

go

here! So far, I've learned to bring beer and steaks ...but another

question

comes to mind.

I'm picturing the scenario where one goes camping and there are no docks.
Typically one would beach (heel) the plane, but this can't be easy. How

do

you get the plane dragged up enf to tie it down adequately to sleep okay

thru

a storm? (ok in a storm means any sleep at all, or even a short nap :) )

-Ben /496R ...inspired to rivet faster



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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

I've been told so far that you want to keep the pitch of the ramp between
1/12 and 2/12.

About 20 feet out from the dock you go full back stick and power to plow a
water wave ahead of you and this both wets the ramp and cushions the keel
hitting the ramp and you power up until it "sticks". Tie the sucker down.
Then to leave you hang onto a rope attached to your rear cleat, push down on
the bows of the floats to get it to unstick and slide backwards into the
water. Use the rope to spin the plane around and pull up backwards to board
and drive away.

Sure others have better advice..mines all read and no practical.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

That brings up another question I've had. How steep a boat ramp will the
plane climb or is going down a bigger challenge

At 10:36 PM 11/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:

And don't you just hate those lists!!??..where nobody uses their real

names

and are quick to jump down your throat if you get even slightly off

topic..

and usually only because you can't find where they live to

retaliate..since

you don't even know who they are!!

Sorry to anyone that thinks I (we) get a bit off track from time to time
around here...but I think it brings us all much more together as a

"family"

with common interests and uses of airplanes. I know talks of guys having

fun

with the finished product might be a little frustrating to the guy just
starting his tailfeathers,...but I know it helps "light a fire" under a
number of builders out there to get the thing done and enjoy it.

As for beaching the float plane. I'd be inclined to find a dead fall tree

or

drift wood to put under the float keels if beaching for any time period.
Sand can be pretty abrasive and don't forget that stirring it up around

the

amphib gear mechanism is not the greatest idea. All depends on the

shoreline

I guess. Some places around Georgian Bay ( The rocky section of Lake

Huron)

you can just put the gear down and drive right up onto the rock shoals.

On

other mixture shorelines I'd be temped to put the gear down and then pull

it

backwards onto the beach as best I could so the tires and not the keels
where on bottom and tie off with those 2 x 50' ropes you should be

carrying

(at a minimum). At least that way if the wind comes up in the night the
tires are banging bottom and not that .025/.032 aluminum sheet.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <bransom@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: What's your favourite way to dock/ramp your floatplane??

OK, yeah, this is fun reading this stuff... not too many homebuild

lists

go

here! So far, I've learned to bring beer and steaks ...but another

question

comes to mind.

I'm picturing the scenario where one goes camping and there are no

docks.

Typically one would beach (heel) the plane, but this can't be easy.

How

do

you get the plane dragged up enf to tie it down adequately to sleep

okay

thru

a storm? (ok in a storm means any sleep at all, or even a short nap

:) )

-Ben /496R ...inspired to rivet faster



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