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Scott Aldrich

Moose Stab.

Post by Scott Aldrich » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:35 am

Hi Bill, I posted the pictures that say "official MAM stab hinge reinforce"
as that was what Brian from Murphy sent and said it was. Those are all
aluminum pieces with the original tip rib. However the "service bulletin"
that is in the works says "both" the stab fix and wing fix is going to be
4130 or stainless steel when it "officially" comes out.

There are some other pictures that show Warrens mod and he remade the entire
outboard rib thicker but it is still aluminum, .040 I think. I know others
had a thicker outboard aluminum rib made up also.

I am not sure at what kit number they made the change but now the rear spar
doubler L channels run the full length of the spar out under the outboard
hinge. If yours is like that you shouldn't need anything except the internal
"fix". If yours does not it probably has some "packers" (which is Canadian
for "spacer" :)) just behind the outboard hinge bracket. We removed these
spacers and added two pieces of L channel that run down the spar towards the
center 6 to 8 inches. This is what MAM did on the original demonstrator.

Maybe Ryan Mowat will chime in and know more about the "official" fix as he
lives near the factory and seems to work pretty close with them on "fixes".

Scott
Moose 174

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Laura
P
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:55 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Moose Stab.

I saw pictures of someone that reinforced the end rib on the horizontal
stabilizer of the moose in the archives.Was the outboard rib made with 4130
or stainless steel ? also did you reinforce the spars that is attached to it

Ryan Mowat

Moose Stab.

Post by Ryan Mowat » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:39 am

Bill

Concerning the moose:

There was a couple of things that I had fixed before painting my plane after
10 months and 120 hours. One was the ribs at the end of the stabs as the
strakes attach to these and they were cracked (I am on floats with radial).
The factory punched out some new ones for me out of thicker material and
extrusions were fashioned to support the new rib. This was also true for
the outter ribs on both wings, there was small cracks in the outer ribs
where the ailerions attach. The cause is the tight radius of the thin rib
being pinched tight - again an extruision was fashioned and the radius
removed. These cracks are not isolated to float or radial use, I have
confirmed them in other non float equipmed flat head planes aswell. Should
be a factory AD but I have not seen one. The other area that has been
reported is the trim tab on elevator, some have developed cracking in the
skin - I have installed a fix provided by factory even though mine did not
show any issues. Since I am new to the email list I might as well list all
the problems - the V-Brace on flat head and radials break - contact Brian
for a better design (or Robin as Brian is not aviable). It is possible to
install after wings are on - but much better before wings are installed.
Some have reported issues with the flap tube rivets working loose -
although I have not seen this yet. I should also not that one builder
reported rudder cable scuffing where the cable passes through the fire wall -
some builders have fixed this issue by placing the pulleys aft of the fire
wall. Care should be given to provide proper passage of the cable through
the firewall to avoid cable damage.

Ryan, CGASR.


On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:54:32 -0500, Laura P wrote
I saw pictures of someone that reinforced the end rib on the horizontal
stabilizer of the moose in the archives.Was the outboard rib made
with 4130 or stainless steel ? also did you reinforce the spars that
is attached to it .

Bill - Moose 244

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Laura P

Moose Stab.

Post by Laura P » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:39 am

Thanks for the heads up on the weak points.I have M-14 360hp that will
probably go on Montana amphibs.I am going to contact MAM regarding the ADs
to see if they will supply parts.I have a concern about using avex on all
the stucture do to M-14 vibration, avex are much faster to install but after
800 hours will the aircraft still be tight.Am I being to anal??

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Ryan Mowat
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:26 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Moose Stab.


Bill

Concerning the moose:

There was a couple of things that I had fixed before painting my plane after
10 months and 120 hours. One was the ribs at the end of the stabs as the
strakes attach to these and they were cracked (I am on floats with radial).
The factory punched out some new ones for me out of thicker material and
extrusions were fashioned to support the new rib. This was also true for
the outter ribs on both wings, there was small cracks in the outer ribs
where the ailerions attach. The cause is the tight radius of the thin rib
being pinched tight - again an extruision was fashioned and the radius
removed. These cracks are not isolated to float or radial use, I have
confirmed them in other non float equipmed flat head planes aswell. Should
be a factory AD but I have not seen one. The other area that has been
reported is the trim tab on elevator, some have developed cracking in the
skin - I have installed a fix provided by factory even though mine did not
show any issues. Since I am new to the email list I might as well list all
the problems - the V-Brace on flat head and radials break - contact Brian
for a better design (or Robin as Brian is not aviable). It is possible to
install after wings are on - but much better before wings are installed.
Some have reported issues with the flap tube rivets working loose -
although I have not seen this yet. I should also not that one builder
reported rudder cable scuffing where the cable passes through the fire
wall -
some builders have fixed this issue by placing the pulleys aft of the fire
wall. Care should be given to provide proper passage of the cable through
the firewall to avoid cable damage.

Ryan, CGASR.


On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:54:32 -0500, Laura P wrote
I saw pictures of someone that reinforced the end rib on the horizontal
stabilizer of the moose in the archives.Was the outboard rib made
with 4130 or stainless steel ? also did you reinforce the spars that
is attached to it .

Bill - Moose 244

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Ryan Mowat

Moose Stab.

Post by Ryan Mowat » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:39 am

The M14 is actually very smooth. Only start up is rough.

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:59:28 -0500, Laura P wrote
Thanks for the heads up on the weak points.I have M-14 360hp that
will probably go on Montana amphibs.I am going to contact MAM
regarding the ADs to see if they will supply parts.I have a concern
about using avex on all the stucture do to M-14 vibration, avex are
much faster to install but after 800 hours will the aircraft still
be tight.Am I being to anal??

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Ryan Mowat
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:26 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Moose Stab.

Bill

Concerning the moose:

There was a couple of things that I had fixed before painting my
plane after 10 months and 120 hours. One was the ribs at the end of
the stabs as the strakes attach to these and they were cracked (I am
on floats with radial). The factory punched out some new ones for me
out of thicker material and extrusions were fashioned to support the
new rib. This was also true for the outter ribs on both wings,
there was small cracks in the outer ribs where the ailerions
attach. The cause is the tight radius of the thin rib being pinched
tight - again an extruision was fashioned and the radius removed.
These cracks are not isolated to float or radial use, I have
confirmed them in other non float equipmed flat head planes aswell.
Should be a factory AD but I have not seen one. The other area that
has been reported is the trim tab on elevator, some have developed
cracking in the skin - I have installed a fix provided by factory
even though mine did not show any issues. Since I am new to the
email list I might as well list all the problems - the V-Brace on
flat head and radials break - contact Brian for a better design (or
Robin as Brian is not aviable). It is possible to install after
wings are on - but much better before wings are installed. Some have
reported issues with the flap tube rivets working loose - although
I have not seen this yet. I should also not that one builder
reported rudder cable scuffing where the cable passes through the
fire wall - some builders have fixed this issue by placing the
pulleys aft of the fire wall. Care should be given to provide
proper passage of the cable through the firewall to avoid cable damage.

Ryan, CGASR.

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:54:32 -0500, Laura P wrote
I saw pictures of someone that reinforced the end rib on the horizontal
stabilizer of the moose in the archives.Was the outboard rib made
with 4130 or stainless steel ? also did you reinforce the spars that
is attached to it .

Bill - Moose 244

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