Rebel 1650 landing gear

Ian Donaldson · Post by **Ian Donaldson** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:04 pm

G'day

I have just finished assembling the landing gear using the 9044 rings and Geert Frank's patented bungee stretcher.

How easy is that after trying to do it the factory way! Thanks to Geert for sharing the details of his invention.

I have not put the safety cables down the centre of the landing gear tube as per the factory, but I will use the "alaskan"
style safety cables on the outside of the tubes.

I have some questions regarding the safety cable.
The manual says 2 7/8", and I was curious as to how that measurement was arrived at?
Is that measurement critical?
If it was more or less would that matter?

Thanks and regards

Ian Donaldson

klehman · Post by **klehman** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:04 pm

If the gear deflects too much farther it can pull the inner sliding tube
out. Geert had trouble with that and wrote it up in the archives. I
would guess that you want to set it up so the inner tube is at least 2"
or so into the outer tube at max deflection. Allow for a little
stretching and 2 7/8 sounds about right.
Ken

Ian Donaldson wrote:

G'day

I have just finished assembling the landing gear using the 9044 rings
and Geert Frank's patented bungee stretcher.

How easy is that after trying to do it the factory way! Thanks
to Geert for sharing the details of his invention.

I have not put the safety cables down the centre of the landing gear
tube as per the factory, but I will use the "alaskan"
style safety cables on the outside of the tubes.

I have some questions regarding the safety cable.
The manual says 2 7/8", and I was curious as to how that measurement
was arrived at?
Is that measurement critical?
If it was more or less would that matter?

Thanks and regards

Ian Donaldson

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Aurele Lavigne · Post by **Aurele Lavigne** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:04 pm

Ian, I have read and heard about these rings before, could you provide me with more details, ei: where to get my hands on these and info on Geert's methods to assemble. Can I also use this method even if my cables run on the inside of the tubes?

I have tried stretching my bungies to the max by hand and always come out with slack and it sits with a spread of almost two inches at the top of the tubes when I'm done.

Thanks in advance,

Aurele Lavigne
063R

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Donaldson (allsure@iprimus.com.au)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 6:23 AM
Subject: Rebel 1650 landing gear

G'day

I have just finished assembling the landing gear using the 9044 rings and Geert Frank's patented bungee stretcher.

How easy is that after trying to do it the factory way! Thanks to Geert for sharing the details of his invention.

I have not put the safety cables down the centre of the landing gear tube as per the factory, but I will use the "alaskan"
style safety cables on the outside of the tubes.

I have some questions regarding the safety cable.
The manual says 2 7/8", and I was curious as to how that measurement was arrived at?
Is that measurement critical?
If it was more or less would that matter?

Thanks and regards

Ian Donaldson

Ian Donaldson · Post by **Ian Donaldson** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:04 pm

G'day Aurele.

I am more than happy to help if I can.

If you give me your email address I will send over some drawings that will explain it all.

The system works good and is easy to do!

The rings can be easily purchased at any aircraft suppliers. I will also give you the #s etc.

regards

Ian Donaldson.

Ian, I have read and heard about these rings before, could you provide me with more details, ei: where to get my hands on these and info on Geert's methods to assemble. Can I also use this method even if my cables run on the inside of the tubes?

I have tried stretching my bungies to the max by hand and always come out with slack and it sits with a spread of almost two inches at the top of the tubes when I'm done.

Thanks in advance,

Aurele Lavigne
063R

rognal · Post by **rognal** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:04 pm

Ian,

Any chance you could post this info to the list, or if not, could you send me
copies also? I will be using the bungee gear also and would appreciate any
tips/tricks, etc.

Thanks,

R Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA!

On 4/9/2002 7:13 AM, ALLSURE@IPRIMUS.COM.AU wrote to MURPHY-REBEL:

-> G'day Aurele.
->
-> I am more than happy to help if I can.
->
-> If you give me your email address I will send over some drawings that =
-> will explain it all.
->
-> The system works good and is easy to do!
->
-> The rings can be easily purchased at any aircraft suppliers. I will also =
-> give you the #s etc.
->
-> regards
->
-> Ian Donaldson.
->
->
->
->
-> Ian, I have read and heard about these rings before, could you provide =
-> me with more details, ei: where to get my hands on these and info on =
-> Geert's methods to assemble. Can I also use this method even if my =
-> cables run on the inside of the tubes?=20
-> =20
-> I have tried stretching my bungies to the max by hand and always come =
-> out with slack and it sits with a spread of almost two inches at the top =
-> of the tubes when I'm done.
-> =20
-> Thanks in advance,
-> =20
-> Aurele Lavigne
-> 063R
->
->
->
->

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Aurele Lavigne · Post by **Aurele Lavigne** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:04 pm

Ian, thanks, my e-mail is alavigne@ntl.sympatico.ca (alavigne@ntl.sympatico.ca) .

I did get some info from Wray thompson and he sent me instructions and a sketch from Geert's site, as well as drawings for a jig used by Ron Barber.

It looks like there severall ways to put the bungies together and I guess I'll look at them all and figure out which suits me best. As for the rings, it looks like you need severall and I think they're quite pricey are they not.

Anyways if you have drawings and instructions I'll have a look.

Thanks again,

Aurele Lavigne
063R

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Donaldson (allsure@iprimus.com.au)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 4:21 AM
Subject: Fw: Rebel 1650 landing gear

G'day Aurele.

I am more than happy to help if I can.

If you give me your email address I will send over some drawings that will explain it all.

The system works good and is easy to do!

The rings can be easily purchased at any aircraft suppliers. I will also give you the #s etc.

regards

Ian Donaldson.

Ian, I have read and heard about these rings before, could you provide me with more details, ei: where to get my hands on these and info on Geert's methods to assemble. Can I also use this method even if my cables run on the inside of the tubes?

I have tried stretching my bungies to the max by hand and always come out with slack and it sits with a spread of almost two inches at the top of the tubes when I'm done.

Thanks in advance,

Aurele Lavigne
063R

Ian Donaldson · Post by **Ian Donaldson** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:04 pm

G'day

Wrayt has done a nice drawing, complete with a good description and it can
be found at;
http://wrayt.tripod.com/bungestuf.html

It is just about what I did. I only made a few changes, but that was to do
with availability of bits.

I could send a drawing of the jack that I made using Geert Franks
descriptions if you would like it.

Regards

Ian Donaldson

Any chance you could post this info to the list, or if not, could you send

me

copies also? I will be using the bungee gear also and would appreciate any
tips/tricks, etc.

Thanks,

R Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA!

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Aurele Lavigne · Post by **Aurele Lavigne** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:04 pm

Ian, where did you get the rings and how much were they, how many do I need?

A sketch of your jack set up would be great, thanks.

I bought a flying Rebel in 1998 as I have relatively no building skills,
patience or time and wanted to be flying. Never regretted it either. Love to
fly and have over 200 hours. It's a great little aircraft even though I only
have the AULA version with a 912 it does the job quite nicely. I sure
wouldn't mind having a 150hp under the hood mind you!!!, Maybe some day.

Thanks for your help.

Aurele
063R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Donaldson" <allsure@iprimus.com.au>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:48 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Rebel 1650 landing gear

G'day

Wrayt has done a nice drawing, complete with a good description and it can
be found at;
http://wrayt.tripod.com/bungestuf.html

It is just about what I did. I only made a few changes, but that was to

do

with availability of bits.

I could send a drawing of the jack that I made using Geert Franks
descriptions if you would like it.

Regards

Ian Donaldson

Any chance you could post this info to the list, or if not, could you

send

me
copies also? I will be using the bungee gear also and would appreciate

any

tips/tricks, etc.

Thanks,

R Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA!

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rognal · Post by **rognal** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:04 pm

Ian,

Thanks for the web link. I think that will work for me.

Roger

On 4/11/2002 6:16 AM, ALLSURE@IPRIMUS.COM.AU wrote to MURPHY-REBEL:

-> G'day
->
-> Wrayt has done a nice drawing, complete with a good description and it can
-> be found at;
-> http://wrayt.tripod.com/bungestuf.html
->
-> It is just about what I did. I only made a few changes, but that was to do
-> with availability of bits.
->
-> I could send a drawing of the jack that I made using Geert Franks
-> descriptions if you would like it.
->
-> Regards
->
-> Ian Donaldson
->
->
-> >
-> > Any chance you could post this info to the list, or if not, could you send
-> me
-> > copies also? I will be using the bungee gear also and would appreciate any
-> > tips/tricks, etc.
-> >
-> > Thanks,
-> >
-> > R Hoffman #687R
-> > Eugene, OR USA!
->
->

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Ian Donaldson · Post by **Ian Donaldson** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:04 pm

G'day

I have just found a reply from R Hoffman #687R regarding bungee rings etc.

I you send me your email address I will senfd over some information.

My email address is allsure @iprimus.com.au

Regards

Ian Donaldson

rognal · Post by **rognal** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:04 pm

Ian,

My email address is rognal@clipper.net

Thanks

Roger

On 4/16/2002 7:37 PM, ALLSURE@IPRIMUS.COM.AU wrote to MURPHY-REBEL:

-> G'day
->
-> I have just found a reply from R Hoffman #687R regarding bungee rings =
-> etc.
->
-> I you send me your email address I will senfd over some information. =20
->
-> My email address is allsure @iprimus.com.au
->
-> Regards
->
-> Ian Donaldson
->
->
->
->
->

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rebel · Post by **rebel** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:20 am

I desperately need bungee installation information. My initial installation
was via the three gorilla method to overpower the miserable things. Within
the first three or so hours of flying, I managed to pull the end through the
cone spring ends on two bungees. Am not looking forward to fighting this
battle again so soon.
Can you point me in the right direction?

On 3/30/2002 4:23 AM, ALLSURE@IPRIMUS.COM.AU wrote to MURPHY-REBEL:

-> G'day
->
->
-> I have just finished assembling the landing gear using the 9044 rings
-> and Geert Frank's patented bungee stretcher.
->
-> How easy is that after trying to do it the factory way! Thanks to Geert
-> for sharing the details of his invention.
->
-> I have not put the safety cables down the centre of the landing gear
-> tube as per the factory, but I will use the "alaskan"
-> style safety cables on the outside of the tubes.
->
-> I have some questions regarding the safety cable.
-> The manual says 2 7/8", and I was curious as to how that measurement
-> was arrived at?
-> Is that measurement critical?
-> If it was more or less would that matter?
->
-> Thanks and regards
->
->
-> Ian Donaldson
->

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IAN DONALDSON · Post by **IAN DONALDSON** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:20 am

G'day to whoever sent this email!

I had great success with Geeert's stretcher and if you would like to contact
me off list I will explain how I went about it all.

It is quite easy really. Don't despair!

allsure@bigpond.net.au

regards

Ian Donaldson

I desperately need bungee installation information. My initial

installation

was via the three gorilla method to overpower the miserable things.

Within

the first three or so hours of flying, I managed to pull the end through

the

cone spring ends on two bungees. Am not looking forward to fighting this
battle again so soon.
Can you point me in the right direction?

On 3/30/2002 4:23 AM, ALLSURE@IPRIMUS.COM.AU wrote to MURPHY-REBEL:

-> G'day
->
->
-> I have just finished assembling the landing gear using the 9044 rings
-> and Geert Frank's patented bungee stretcher.
->
-> How easy is that after trying to do it the factory way! Thanks to

Geert

-> for sharing the details of his invention.
->
-> I have not put the safety cables down the centre of the landing gear
-> tube as per the factory, but I will use the "alaskan"
-> style safety cables on the outside of the tubes.
->
-> I have some questions regarding the safety cable.
-> The manual says 2 7/8", and I was curious as to how that measurement
-> was arrived at?
-> Is that measurement critical?
-> If it was more or less would that matter?
->
-> Thanks and regards
->
->
-> Ian Donaldson
->

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LisaFly99 · Post by **LisaFly99** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:20 am

In a message dated 8/4/2004 5:21:39 AM Central Standard Time,
rebel@dcsol.com writes:

I desperately need bungee installation information. My initial
installation
was via the three gorilla method to overpower the miserable things. Within
the first three or so hours of flying, I managed to pull the end through the
cone spring ends on two bungees. Am not looking forward to fighting this
battle again so soon.

Air Craft Spruce, Wag Areo and several other suppliers sell bungee rings,
pre made. That work and give you redundancy. P/N 9044. And I think Ray's Rebel
sight has an installation guide. Also (IF) I remember right Bob P. said you
could use a ratchet style tie down strap to stretch them out. put the bungee
ring on the top bolt hook the strap to the axle area and stretch the ring out
and wrestle it over the bottom bolt.
Phil&Lisa Smith
460 R
N414D

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Bob Patterson · Post by **Bob Patterson** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:20 am

Hi ??? !

It would help if you put your name at the end of emails -
all sent from on-line show just "rebel-builders" ... If you
also show your email address, we could send you details offline.

You have a major problem already - there should NOT be
any "cone spring ends" on your bungees !!! What kind of bungees
did you use ??? Hope they're not the 'automotive hold-down' type -
these are not nearly strong enough for this purpose !!!

Bungees on the Rebel should be complete rings - either
manufactured (part # 9044), or fabricated from the material supplied
with the kit - must be tied into loops with waxed string or fishing
line. You will need at least 3 rings on the front & 3 on the back
of each bolt pair. There's a drawing of a tool to fabricate rings
in the archives (oooopppps - WAS - will dig it out & re-load !)

As Phil mentioned, you can put the top of the loop over
the top bolt, then hook a ratchet 'come-along' or nylon tie-down
strap through it, with the other end at the bottom of the gear leg
tube, and crank to stretch the bungee. When it gets to the bottom
bolt, just use a large screwdriver to slip it onto the bolt.
It helps if you put the bolt in so the head (and washer) are
at the opposite side - for the first ones, anyway. You can get 2
loops on the bolt, then the 3rd loop must sit on top of the first
2, in the groove between them.

......bobp

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At 02:20 AM 8/4/04 -0800, you wrote:

I desperately need bungee installation information. My initial installation
was via the three gorilla method to overpower the miserable things. Within
the first three or so hours of flying, I managed to pull the end through the
cone spring ends on two bungees. Am not looking forward to fighting this
battle again so soon.
Can you point me in the right direction?

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