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LisaFly99

Building in the bedroom?

Post by LisaFly99 » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:09 am

In a message dated 4/3/2004 8:11:34 AM Central Standard Time,
monty@emirates.net.ae writes:
much as possible for when I have a real shop, or just take it to a friends
hanger for the final assembly. (I can use his hanger/workshop, but it's a
45min drive).
Thanks again all.
Jesse
JESSE
Dose you're friends hanger have running water? I know of a couple of single
guys that live in their hangers. Cheaper than a condo or apartment and with
some remodeling really cool bachelor pads. Not all airports will let you, but the
ones that just ignore it are usually more friendly anyway. Just a thought.
Phil&Lisa Smith
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Jesse Jenks

Building in the bedroom?

Post by Jesse Jenks » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:09 am

Thank you guys for all the great ideas and support, and I havn't even
started building yet! It's great to know there will be help along the way.
Bobp, I'm living in Morro Bay CA right now, thats next to San Luis Obispo.
Any builders near here? Warren, leave it to a fellow model builder to see
the possibilities in a few extra square feet. I've been building RC models
in the house forever too, so this is just like that only a little bigger,
right?
Jesse

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Building in the bedroom?

Post by Warren Montgomery » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:09 am

Jesse,

You got me thinking how I started out. We live in the Middle East in
attached Concrete villas.
While living in our first place I got back into models after 20 years as
I had to keep busy with my hands over here.
I fly for my day job as well, but it's actually pretty boring. So I'm
most happy getting grease under my nails, in fact just imported a 65
Dodge Monaco and spent all day at customs clearing today. Think of all
the red tape you'd have back home and then doing it with mostly none
English speakers.
That's another story though for any Mopar fans out in Rebel land. BTW
Wayne it needs more work then I though but the 383 4bl sounds so sweet!

What I first used to build large models was a 12x12 bedroom. had benches
along two walls and even a compressor. Neighbors never complained about
the noise
of drills, dremels and compressed air, or were afraid too!. Even spray
painted in the room. Ended up being an expert builder but found out it's
a bad combination if
you're a novice model flyer. I did enclose the car port on our current
place so now have a large area.

My vote is go for it. You could build the rudder, fin, ailerons, flaps
as well as prep (read debur) a lot of other parts such as wing ribs on
an 8' table and would need about 12' for the elev and stab. Just be
organized.
Most of the noise will be drilling so go electric. When time to use any
chemical just take the parts outside, same when riveting major
components like skins.
For small areas you'll only be mixing tiny amounts of epoxy primer so
not a big issue. If your Landlord upstairs complains just say you're
cleaning the nail polish off your toes. That'll keep him well out of
your way I'm sure. You could hand rivet a lot of parts such as ribs to
spars but would need to fire up the compressor for large areas. Even
then it doesn't use too much air and you could plan for when the
landlord is out ;-). And yes you can defer doing the major riveting till
later.
There's lots of drilling and deburring to keep you busy for some time.

Speaking of bedrooms, I have my moose windshield above the wardrobe next
to the TV and the wife doesn't even see it anymore while watching TV.

You sound motivated and that's 90% of it. You'll easily find enough to
keep you busy for a year before you'd need a large area.

Good luck with your Rebel which we know you're now getting!
Warren

Jesse Jenks wrote:
Thanks to all who replied. I appreciate your input. What I get from this is
that the chemicals are not a good idea in the house. I anticipate moving
within the next six months/year maybe, and I will definitely be looking for
a better building space at that time. In the meantime though, I just really
want to get started. I have been dreaming of building a plane since
highschool, but have never had the right combination of money, time, and
workshop all happen at the same time. I have decided that like many things
in life I just have to make it happen. The other thing that feels good right
now is deciding on the Rebel. I (like most of you, I'm sure) have gone
through many ideas of what kind of plane I wanted, and could afford. I have
enough flying experience now to know what I really want to do with an
airplane when I finally have one. From there, it was pretty clear that the
Rebel fits me the best, and knowing what you want is half the battle. It's
kind of funny to think that I started out on this whole flying thing about
20 years ago with models, and dreamed of building my own airplane, but had
no idea that you actually have to make a living in this world. I went off to
flight school with that innocent thought. Luckily it turned out that people
actually want to pay me to fly airplanes (not much though). Anyway, here I
am droning along day after day at 20,000 feet and still dreaming about
building my own plane.
Another question: Could I prepare all the tail assemblies without riveting,
and then take the whole thing elsewhere to prime and rivet? Or do you have
to do some riveting along the way, like ribs to spars or whatever? Even so,
could I just do a minimal amount of priming/riveting outside the house to
get things assembled to that point? As I understand it, most of the time is
spent drilling and preparing for riveting, so that part might be doable in
the house, and just keep the chemical part outside completely, and save as
much as possible for when I have a real shop, or just take it to a friends
hanger for the final assembly. (I can use his hanger/workshop, but it's a
45min drive).
Thanks again all.
Jesse

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Building in the bedroom?

Post by klehman » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:09 am

Actually if Jesse is talking about the Rebel, the left and right stab
and elevator are separate pieces so the largest tail feather piece is no
more than about 5'.
Ken
My vote is go for it. You could build the rudder, fin, ailerons, flaps
as well as prep (read debur) a lot of other parts such as wing ribs on
an 8' table and would need about 12' for the elev and stab. Just be
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Jesse Jenks

Building in the bedroom?

Post by Jesse Jenks » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:09 am

I was wondering about the flaperons though. How long is each section?

From: Warren Montgomery <monty@emirates.net.ae>
Reply-To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Building in the bedroom?
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 19:25:37 +0400

Thinking Moose, I stand corrected, better for Jesse
Warren
klehman@albedo.net wrote:
the largest tail feather piece is no more than about 5'.
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Building in the bedroom?

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:09 am

SIX feet (less an inch or so)

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Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: Building in the bedroom?

I was wondering about the flaperons though. How long is each section?

From: Warren Montgomery <monty@emirates.net.ae>
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To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Building in the bedroom?
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 19:25:37 +0400

Thinking Moose, I stand corrected, better for Jesse
Warren
klehman@albedo.net wrote:
the largest tail feather piece is no more than about 5'.
Ken



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Warren Montgomery

Building in the bedroom?

Post by Warren Montgomery » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:09 am

Thinking Moose, I stand corrected, better for Jesse
Warren
klehman@albedo.net wrote:
the largest tail feather piece is no more than about 5'.
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Michael Bleau

Building in the bedroom?

Post by Michael Bleau » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:09 am

Hello jean who is your home insurance carrier? I had tried earlier to get
coverage through my house insurance as you did and my company said no way
and they would definatley not insure an airplane in any way even just
aluminiun parts. now if it was a boat then thats different. But if your
company would insure I will look at switching my house insurance, so if you
would be so kind as to give me the name that would be appreciated. thanks.
Mike

From: Jean Poirier <oxyport@globetrotter.net>
Reply-To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Building in the bedroom?
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:49:21 -0500

My home insurance company bill me $290.00 canadian dollars for $30000.00
value (just the airplane, tools and garage are cover by the home insurance)
They will add $10.00 per $1000.00 value added. Still much cheaper than
Copa/Marsh up to $65000.00 value! At that time, I will see...
Jean
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: Building in the bedroom?

Hello All,

You cannot get insurance from the EAA in Canada, I know, I have tried.
They
are not set up to do business here at all. As far as I know the RAA has
no
insurance coverage either. I have purchased my insurance through Marsh
(COPA) and it was reasonable.

$655.00 for the aircraft while under construction per year based on
$150k
finished product.

Considering my kit cost will cost me 40K CDN I think it was a fair
value,
if
for no other reason just a peace of mind!

P.S I would NEVER ever consider telling my home insurance company that I
was
building an aircraft at home.

Michael

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
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Sent: April 2, 2004 1:42 PM
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Subject: Re: Building in the bedroom?

I have check builder insurance with COPA and different aircraft
insurance
company. Very expensive! I have call the company who insure my home.
First call they refuse because it was an aircraft! I asked them if it
was
a
"old muscle car", a Picasso paint or Louis XIV old furnitures: no
problem!
so I asked then to cover a $30000.00 bunch of aluminium....no problem!
They
will cover me up to the first flight (excluded for sure). If Iadd a
engine
of $20000.00, I call them and they increase the cover to $50000.00. I
pay
a
fixed rate for every thousand dollars of value. Have been the cheapest
way
for me and it is very flexible!

Jean
Rebel 747R
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Building in the bedroom?

where were you able to get builders insurance? and approximate cost?
thanks.
mike

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Jean Poirier

Building in the bedroom?

Post by Jean Poirier » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:09 am

Hello Michael

My insurance company is "PROMUTUEL Portneuf Champlain". Their phone number
here is 418-329-3330. I don't think they will cover just a aircraft. They
cover my home,car, hangar too. They refuse mine the first time but after
some "bla bla bla".... they accept. I know there is different "MUTUEL" in
most Quebec region but I do not know in rest of Canada. If you want more
info, call Richard Thiboutot at the precedent phone number.
Jean
Rebel 747R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Bleau" <bleaumichael@hotmail.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Building in the bedroom?

Hello jean who is your home insurance carrier? I had tried earlier to get
coverage through my house insurance as you did and my company said no way
and they would definatley not insure an airplane in any way even just
aluminiun parts. now if it was a boat then thats different. But if your
company would insure I will look at switching my house insurance, so if
you
would be so kind as to give me the name that would be appreciated. thanks.
Mike

From: Jean Poirier <oxyport@globetrotter.net>
Reply-To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Building in the bedroom?
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:49:21 -0500

My home insurance company bill me $290.00 canadian dollars for $30000.00
value (just the airplane, tools and garage are cover by the home
insurance)
They will add $10.00 per $1000.00 value added. Still much cheaper than
Copa/Marsh up to $65000.00 value! At that time, I will see...
Jean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael P. Snow" <michael.snow@rogers.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: Building in the bedroom?

Hello All,

You cannot get insurance from the EAA in Canada, I know, I have tried.
They
are not set up to do business here at all. As far as I know the RAA
has
no
insurance coverage either. I have purchased my insurance through Marsh
(COPA) and it was reasonable.

$655.00 for the aircraft while under construction per year based on
$150k
finished product.

Considering my kit cost will cost me 40K CDN I think it was a fair
value,
if
for no other reason just a peace of mind!

P.S I would NEVER ever consider telling my home insurance company that
I
was
building an aircraft at home.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jean
Poirier
Sent: April 2, 2004 1:42 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Building in the bedroom?

I have check builder insurance with COPA and different aircraft
insurance
company. Very expensive! I have call the company who insure my
home.
First call they refuse because it was an aircraft! I asked them if it
was
a
"old muscle car", a Picasso paint or Louis XIV old furnitures: no
problem!
so I asked then to cover a $30000.00 bunch of aluminium....no problem!
They
will cover me up to the first flight (excluded for sure). If Iadd a
engine
of $20000.00, I call them and they increase the cover to $50000.00. I
pay
a
fixed rate for every thousand dollars of value. Have been the
cheapest
way
for me and it is very flexible!

Jean
Rebel 747R
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
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Subject: Re: Building in the bedroom?

thanks.
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