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WALTER KLATT

First flight 1800 amphib

Post by WALTER KLATT » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

Before your first flight, you will want to get used to taxiing and how your brakes work. They need to be broken in, and may not provide much braking power initially. Also, be sure that you have enough tension with the washers on your nose wheels or they may shimmy when landing. That happened to me. It's going to feel like you are in the cockpit of an airliner initially, as you look at down at the ground and all those little Cessnas parked.

On take-off, hold the stick back all the way initially, and be ready to ease off as the nose starts to lift off. Once you are experienced you can do it later on the roll, but you will mis-time it, if you try that on your first one, and it will pop up very quickly and high if you do it late in the roll.

Once in the air, it will feel like a regular Rebel, albeit not quite as fast and crisp. For your first landings, I would go to a paved runway of at least 2000 feet and be very careful on your first approach. Keep your speed up and remember to start your round-out earlier and more gradual since you are a few feet higher off the ground now. Keep that RPM above 1500 the first time. And resist that urge, to keep pulling back on your stick, to get that tail wheel down, or you will scraping the back of your floats on the pavement. On amphibs, you fly it on, not stall it as in a 3 pointer. Essentially, your ground landing is exactly the same as on water.

On the first touch and go, as soon as the mains touch, I would give it, and get out of there. Or you might not even touch the first time which is OK. Do that a couple of times, and when it feels like you are under control, try holding it there after the mains touch, and let the nose wheels come down, and then go around again. After about 5 of these, you should get the hang of it. When you do land it, watch for that front wheel shimmy.

After that you should be laughing, as the Rebel on amphibs is much easier to land in gusts and strong cross-winds than on wheels.

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Delcambre <bdelcambre@cox-internet.com>
Date: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:52 am
Subject: Re: First flight 1800 amphib
Yeah, I've got a suggestion; Try to stay current in aircraft with
conventional gear, after you start flying the amphib. It's so
easy to land
on those 4 wheels that you'll quickly get lulled into feeling
invincible.You're about to experience the easiest plane to land
that you've ever flown!
If, however, you get into strong, gusty crosswinds, be very
careful. If the
upwind wing lifts, while you're on the ground, you're a passenger,
becausesteering is strictly differential brakes. Just being
keenly aware of this
phenomenon should keep you out of trouble.

Enjoy!

Bill

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Subject: Re: First flight 1800 amphib

# 357R is all ready for it's first flight as an amphib.
Unfortunately the
private dirt strip where she is hangered is so muddy from winter
thaw and
rains I
think it may be a few weeks before things dry up so I can test
fly it :(
It's like Christmas Eve when you are young. Cant wait!

I received my submarine license on straight floats and have
never landed
an
amphib with the wheels. I'm feeling a little apprehension about
it. Any
suggestions?

Bruce



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Bill Delcambre

First flight 1800 amphib

Post by Bill Delcambre » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

Yeah, I've got a suggestion; Try to stay current in aircraft with
conventional gear, after you start flying the amphib. It's so easy to land
on those 4 wheels that you'll quickly get lulled into feeling invincible.
You're about to experience the easiest plane to land that you've ever flown!
If, however, you get into strong, gusty crosswinds, be very careful. If the
upwind wing lifts, while you're on the ground, you're a passenger, because
steering is strictly differential brakes. Just being keenly aware of this
phenomenon should keep you out of trouble.

Enjoy!

Bill

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Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: First flight 1800 amphib

# 357R is all ready for it's first flight as an amphib. Unfortunately the
private dirt strip where she is hangered is so muddy from winter thaw and
rains I
think it may be a few weeks before things dry up so I can test fly it :(

It's like Christmas Eve when you are young. Cant wait!

I received my submarine license on straight floats and have never landed
an
amphib with the wheels. I'm feeling a little apprehension about it. Any
suggestions?

Bruce



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Legeorgen

First flight 1800 amphib

Post by Legeorgen » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

# 357R is all ready for it's first flight as an amphib. Unfortunately the
private dirt strip where she is hangered is so muddy from winter thaw and rains I
think it may be a few weeks before things dry up so I can test fly it :(

It's like Christmas Eve when you are young. Cant wait!

I received my submarine license on straight floats and have never landed an
amphib with the wheels. I'm feeling a little apprehension about it. Any
suggestions?

Bruce



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Legeorgen

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Post by Legeorgen » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

That would be wheels "down" on land wouldn't you think Nigel?

Bruce



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Legeorgen

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Post by Legeorgen » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

Thanks Bill,

I never thought about not being able to turn when one wheel is lifted because
there has to be brakes to turn.

Bruce



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Legeorgen

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Post by Legeorgen » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

Thanks Walter,

I printed all that out for a review on the big day!

Bruce



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Jesse Jenks

First flight 1800 amphib

Post by Jesse Jenks » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

Steve,
I am a prospective Rebel builder listening in on the discussion. I asume you
mean Arlington WA right? I am from Port Townsend, currently living in
California. I am definately interested in amphibs too, so I would love to
come see your plane sometime. I can fly up there some weekend if it's OK
with you.
Thanks.
Jesse Jenks

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:41:22 EST

Bruce

If you can get over to Arlington I will give you a quick check out in my
Rebel.


Steve Sloan



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SWSLOANLK

First flight 1800 amphib

Post by SWSLOANLK » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

Bruce

If you can get over to Arlington I will give you a quick check out in my
Rebel.


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N.Smith

First flight 1800 amphib

Post by N.Smith » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

I received my submarine license on straight floats and have never landed an
amphib with the wheels. I'm feeling a little apprehension about it. Any
suggestions?
Make sure the wheels are up :-)

Nigel
745E

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# 357R is all ready for it's first flight as an amphib. Unfortunately the
private dirt strip where she is hangered is so muddy from winter thaw and
rains I
think it may be a few weeks before things dry up so I can test fly it :(

It's like Christmas Eve when you are young. Cant wait!

I received my submarine license on straight floats and have never landed an
amphib with the wheels. I'm feeling a little apprehension about it. Any
suggestions?

Bruce



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Walter Klatt

First flight 1800 amphib

Post by Walter Klatt » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

Only problem is that the mains will still happily go up or down
with the nose wheels locked. Best just to get used to the
necessary pre-landing checks right from day one, even if you are
not cycling the gear.

Say, Nige, are you planning any more trips this way come summer?

Walter
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Oh Yea...D'oh

Just make sure it's the right way for whatever surface
you're landing on.

A good idea is the removable tubes used by Walter to
prevent the nosewheels
retracting if you're pushing it backwards. Pity to
ruin your day when you're
putting it away after a successful flight :-)

Nigel

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That would be wheels "down" on land wouldn't you think Nigel?

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N.Smith

First flight 1800 amphib

Post by N.Smith » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

Oh Yea...D'oh

Just make sure it's the right way for whatever surface you're landing on.

A good idea is the removable tubes used by Walter to prevent the nosewheels
retracting if you're pushing it backwards. Pity to ruin your day when you're
putting it away after a successful flight :-)

Nigel

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That would be wheels "down" on land wouldn't you think Nigel?

Bruce



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Drew Dalgleish

First flight 1800 amphib

Post by Drew Dalgleish » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

Hi Nigel Actually having the nosewheels retract is just an inconvenience
not something that would ruin your day. The front of the float will just
sit on the rub strip and you can pump the nose wheels down again.
Like others have said make sure your brakes are seated in before trying
to fly it. I found the little tires give a very rough ride on grass so if
you could fly over to a paved strip for your first tests you'll probably be
a lot more comfortable. On my plane once I touch down no amount of up
elevator will keep the nosewheels off the ground and the plane rotates
forward fairly quickly. Not a problem just something that really gets your
attention. Have fun flying a rebel on floats is a blast.

At 05:47 AM 2/28/2004 -0000, you wrote:
Oh Yea...D'oh

Just make sure it's the right way for whatever surface you're landing on.

A good idea is the removable tubes used by Walter to prevent the nosewheels
retracting if you're pushing it backwards. Pity to ruin your day when you're
putting it away after a successful flight :-)

Nigel

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That would be wheels "down" on land wouldn't you think Nigel?

Bruce


Drew




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Wayne G. O'Shea

First flight 1800 amphib

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

Drew, when flying alone try putting a gallon of water in each floats rear
compartment. Then you can hold the nose wheels off nicely!

Wayne

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Subject: RE: First flight 1800 amphib

Hi Nigel Actually having the nosewheels retract is just an inconvenience
not something that would ruin your day. The front of the float will just
sit on the rub strip and you can pump the nose wheels down again.
Like others have said make sure your brakes are seated in before trying
to fly it. I found the little tires give a very rough ride on grass so if
you could fly over to a paved strip for your first tests you'll probably
be
a lot more comfortable. On my plane once I touch down no amount of up
elevator will keep the nosewheels off the ground and the plane rotates
forward fairly quickly. Not a problem just something that really gets your
attention. Have fun flying a rebel on floats is a blast.

At 05:47 AM 2/28/2004 -0000, you wrote:
Oh Yea...D'oh

Just make sure it's the right way for whatever surface you're landing on.

A good idea is the removable tubes used by Walter to prevent the
nosewheels
retracting if you're pushing it backwards. Pity to ruin your day when
you're
putting it away after a successful flight :-)

Nigel

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Subject: Re: First flight 1800 amphib


That would be wheels "down" on land wouldn't you think Nigel?

Bruce


Drew




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Legeorgen

First flight 1800 amphib

Post by Legeorgen » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

Steve,

Thanks for the offer. I'd like to do just that. I could fly the Kitfox over
or even drive if the weather doesn't work. What times work for you?

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Drew Dalgleish

First flight 1800 amphib

Post by Drew Dalgleish » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:00 am

At 11:29 AM 2/28/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Drew, when flying alone try putting a gallon of water in each floats rear
compartment. Then you can hold the nose wheels off nicely!

Wayne
Thanks Wayne I'll try that. I find that if I carry some power all the way
down I can make a smooth landing but it uses up a lot of runway.
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