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Mike Kimball

Canadian Flight Planning

Post by Mike Kimball » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:51 pm

Thanks Drew. I plan to file flight plans the whole way. I was just
wondering what the rule was, especially since I didn't know if I would be in
out of the way places since I'm on floats. You've answered all my other
questions. I've been flying long enough that I do have a radio operator
license and the plane is old enough that it has a radio station license.
I've got a current Water Aerodrome Supplement which has the intercept
signals in it. I've got a CFS too that's not too old. Thanks again.

Mike Kimball
SR #044

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Drew Dalgleish
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:21 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Canadian Flight Planniing


At 03:48 PM 9/26/2003 -0800, you wrote:
I've got a few questions for you guys in Canada. Are flight plans
mandatory
or optional as they are in the US? I know they are mandatory for both
countries for border crossings. I know they did away with mandatory
position reporting a long time ago. Also, does 1-866-WXBRIEF work anywhere
in Canada for Flight Service? I found that number listed in the Water
Aerodrome Supplement for some aerodromes. 1-800-WXBRIEF works anywhere in
the US so I thought it might be the same in Canada with 866 instead of 800.
When calling Flight Service on the radio, do you use the phrase "radio" as
in "Kamloops Radio, Cessna november 4507 juliet..."? Is there such a thing
as the US Flight Watch in Canada. In the US, you can get weather
information by tuning in 122.0 and calling "Flight Watch" anywhere in the
US
(supposed to be anywhere, but I've been unsuccessful getting them in some
locations). I've been back and forth twice between Alaska and the lower
48,
but it's been awhile. Sorry about using the builder's list for this but
I'm
leaving next Wednesday for my trip to Seattle in a C-185 on straight
floats.
Trying to get my ducks lined up.

Mike Kimball
SR #044
Hi Mike
You need to file a flight plan or flight itinery if traveling more than 25
nautical miles. The flight itinery you can leave with any competent person.
The flight plan is quick and it's easy to follow the instructions. That
being said I think there's an awful lot of breakfast flights that go
without notifying anybody around here in southern ont. where the wheat and
edible beans have been harvested and half the land within gliding distance
is a runway. In the mountains it's just a little more hostile and I'm sure
I'd be filing. The WX brief # is all across Canada. Calling flight service
you say radio. You can get weather by calling flight service on 126.7 all
across Canada. Sometimes you can get flight following if the controllers
aren't too busy and you're in radar range. Get a copy of the CFS (Canada
flight supplement) it has all the airports listed so you can get the
current weather from the ones that have ATIS. plus it's Mandatory that you
carry a copy of the intercept signals Which is in the back of the book. Oh
and to be legal you need a radio license although it's extremely unlikely
that you'll be asked for it.
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Scott Brynen

Canadian Flight Planning

Post by Scott Brynen » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:51 pm

Mike; a few last things which are a huge plus
1) you can open and close your flight plans with towers as well as FSS.
2) if you're operating out of a remote place with spotty coverage, you can
plan an auto open at a specific time.

As for the radio terminology, the only real change I can think of is that
what the US call "DEPARTURE" is
referred to as "TERMINAL" in Canada.

If you're coming up from the states via Seattle, which I notice you
mentioned, note the 4 TFRs around the Seattle
area. Also, if you get high enough, you'll get hand-offs all the way (Sea
Dep, Whitby Dep, Victoria Terminal, Vancouver Terminal). But, If any of
them tell you to 'squawk 1200 Radar service terminated good-day...' GO
BACK TO YOUR ASSIGNED BORDER CROSSING CODE, not 1200.





At 07:02 PM 9/26/03, you wrote:
Thanks Drew. I plan to file flight plans the whole way. I was just
wondering what the rule was, especially since I didn't know if I would be in
out of the way places since I'm on floats. You've answered all my other
questions. I've been flying long enough that I do have a radio operator
license and the plane is old enough that it has a radio station license.
I've got a current Water Aerodrome Supplement which has the intercept
signals in it. I've got a CFS too that's not too old. Thanks again.

Mike Kimball
SR #044

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Drew Dalgleish
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:21 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Canadian Flight Planniing


At 03:48 PM 9/26/2003 -0800, you wrote:
I've got a few questions for you guys in Canada. Are flight plans
mandatory
or optional as they are in the US? I know they are mandatory for both
countries for border crossings. I know they did away with mandatory
position reporting a long time ago. Also, does 1-866-WXBRIEF work anywhere
in Canada for Flight Service? I found that number listed in the Water
Aerodrome Supplement for some aerodromes. 1-800-WXBRIEF works anywhere in
the US so I thought it might be the same in Canada with 866 instead of 800.
When calling Flight Service on the radio, do you use the phrase "radio" as
in "Kamloops Radio, Cessna november 4507 juliet..."? Is there such a thing
as the US Flight Watch in Canada. In the US, you can get weather
information by tuning in 122.0 and calling "Flight Watch" anywhere in the
US
(supposed to be anywhere, but I've been unsuccessful getting them in some
locations). I've been back and forth twice between Alaska and the lower
48,
but it's been awhile. Sorry about using the builder's list for this but
I'm
leaving next Wednesday for my trip to Seattle in a C-185 on straight
floats.
Trying to get my ducks lined up.

Mike Kimball
SR #044
Hi Mike
You need to file a flight plan or flight itinery if traveling more than 25
nautical miles. The flight itinery you can leave with any competent person.
The flight plan is quick and it's easy to follow the instructions. That
being said I think there's an awful lot of breakfast flights that go
without notifying anybody around here in southern ont. where the wheat and
edible beans have been harvested and half the land within gliding distance
is a runway. In the mountains it's just a little more hostile and I'm sure
I'd be filing. The WX brief # is all across Canada. Calling flight service
you say radio. You can get weather by calling flight service on 126.7 all
across Canada. Sometimes you can get flight following if the controllers
aren't too busy and you're in radar range. Get a copy of the CFS (Canada
flight supplement) it has all the airports listed so you can get the
current weather from the ones that have ATIS. plus it's Mandatory that you
carry a copy of the intercept signals Which is in the back of the book. Oh
and to be legal you need a radio license although it's extremely unlikely
that you'll be asked for it.
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Bob Patterson

Canadian Flight Planning

Post by Bob Patterson » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:51 pm

Hi Mike !

One thing that might be a bit different ..... in Canada,
you can specify the Search & Rescue time you want ! As I recall,
in the U.S., they give you only 1/2 hour after your flight planned
arrival, then send out the Buffalo !!

This can be a useful feature if you are going to a lake
where it might take an hour or so to get to a phone to close ...
or maybe you figure on stopping along the way to fish. ;-) :-)
You can ask for SAR time of 3 hours... or 6, if you want !

Sounds like a fun trip - hope you don't run into any
snow squalls (I've had that misfortune in the passes in mid-September !)

Actually, I think both countries have dumped the requirement
for aircraft radio licences - but it won't hurt if you have one. :-)

......bobp

--------------------------------orig.------------------------------
At 06:02 PM 9/26/03 -0800, you wrote:
Thanks Drew. I plan to file flight plans the whole way. I was just
wondering what the rule was, especially since I didn't know if I would be in
out of the way places since I'm on floats. You've answered all my other
questions. I've been flying long enough that I do have a radio operator
license and the plane is old enough that it has a radio station license.
I've got a current Water Aerodrome Supplement which has the intercept
signals in it. I've got a CFS too that's not too old. Thanks again.

Mike Kimball
SR #044

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Drew Dalgleish
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:21 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Canadian Flight Planniing


At 03:48 PM 9/26/2003 -0800, you wrote:
I've got a few questions for you guys in Canada. Are flight plans
mandatory
or optional as they are in the US? I know they are mandatory for both
countries for border crossings. I know they did away with mandatory
position reporting a long time ago. Also, does 1-866-WXBRIEF work anywhere
in Canada for Flight Service? I found that number listed in the Water
Aerodrome Supplement for some aerodromes. 1-800-WXBRIEF works anywhere in
the US so I thought it might be the same in Canada with 866 instead of 800.
When calling Flight Service on the radio, do you use the phrase "radio" as
in "Kamloops Radio, Cessna november 4507 juliet..."? Is there such a thing
as the US Flight Watch in Canada. In the US, you can get weather
information by tuning in 122.0 and calling "Flight Watch" anywhere in the
US
(supposed to be anywhere, but I've been unsuccessful getting them in some
locations). I've been back and forth twice between Alaska and the lower
48,
but it's been awhile. Sorry about using the builder's list for this but
I'm
leaving next Wednesday for my trip to Seattle in a C-185 on straight
floats.
Trying to get my ducks lined up.

Mike Kimball
SR #044
Hi Mike
You need to file a flight plan or flight itinery if traveling more than 25
nautical miles. The flight itinery you can leave with any competent person.
The flight plan is quick and it's easy to follow the instructions. That
being said I think there's an awful lot of breakfast flights that go
without notifying anybody around here in southern ont. where the wheat and
edible beans have been harvested and half the land within gliding distance
is a runway. In the mountains it's just a little more hostile and I'm sure
I'd be filing. The WX brief # is all across Canada. Calling flight service
you say radio. You can get weather by calling flight service on 126.7 all
across Canada. Sometimes you can get flight following if the controllers
aren't too busy and you're in radar range. Get a copy of the CFS (Canada
flight supplement) it has all the airports listed so you can get the
current weather from the ones that have ATIS. plus it's Mandatory that you
carry a copy of the intercept signals Which is in the back of the book. Oh
and to be legal you need a radio license although it's extremely unlikely
that you'll be asked for it.
Drew Dalgleish




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Walter Klatt

Canadian Flight Planning

Post by Walter Klatt » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:51 pm

Snow squalls, what is that!!?? Hey Bob, this is the
west coast, remember. In a couple months, we revert to
the wet coast, but not in September or October. This is
often the best flying of the year here, with calm winds
and not too hot.

Temps this weekend here will be 30 today and 31 C
(about 85F) tomorrow.
http://www.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/forecast/city_e.html?
YXX

Walter (can't resist a gloat now and then)
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:06 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Canadian Flight Planning



Sounds like a fun trip - hope you
don't run into any
snow squalls (I've had that misfortune in
the passes in mid-September !)


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Mike Kimball

Canadian Flight Planning

Post by Mike Kimball » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:51 pm

Maybe I'll file IFR for the border crossing. That'll keep me out of
trouble. Thanks everyone for the tips and info.

Mike Kimball
SR #044

-----Original Message-----
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Scott Brynen
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 6:19 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Canadian Flight Planning


Mike; a few last things which are a huge plus
1) you can open and close your flight plans with towers as well as FSS.
2) if you're operating out of a remote place with spotty coverage, you can
plan an auto open at a specific time.

As for the radio terminology, the only real change I can think of is that
what the US call "DEPARTURE" is
referred to as "TERMINAL" in Canada.

If you're coming up from the states via Seattle, which I notice you
mentioned, note the 4 TFRs around the Seattle
area. Also, if you get high enough, you'll get hand-offs all the way (Sea
Dep, Whitby Dep, Victoria Terminal, Vancouver Terminal). But, If any of
them tell you to 'squawk 1200 Radar service terminated good-day...' GO
BACK TO YOUR ASSIGNED BORDER CROSSING CODE, not 1200.





At 07:02 PM 9/26/03, you wrote:
Thanks Drew. I plan to file flight plans the whole way. I was just
wondering what the rule was, especially since I didn't know if I would be
in
out of the way places since I'm on floats. You've answered all my other
questions. I've been flying long enough that I do have a radio operator
license and the plane is old enough that it has a radio station license.
I've got a current Water Aerodrome Supplement which has the intercept
signals in it. I've got a CFS too that's not too old. Thanks again.

Mike Kimball
SR #044

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Drew Dalgleish
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:21 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Canadian Flight Planniing


At 03:48 PM 9/26/2003 -0800, you wrote:
I've got a few questions for you guys in Canada. Are flight plans
mandatory
or optional as they are in the US? I know they are mandatory for both
countries for border crossings. I know they did away with mandatory
position reporting a long time ago. Also, does 1-866-WXBRIEF work
anywhere
in Canada for Flight Service? I found that number listed in the Water
Aerodrome Supplement for some aerodromes. 1-800-WXBRIEF works anywhere
in
the US so I thought it might be the same in Canada with 866 instead of
800.
When calling Flight Service on the radio, do you use the phrase "radio"
as
in "Kamloops Radio, Cessna november 4507 juliet..."? Is there such a
thing
as the US Flight Watch in Canada. In the US, you can get weather
information by tuning in 122.0 and calling "Flight Watch" anywhere in the
US
(supposed to be anywhere, but I've been unsuccessful getting them in some
locations). I've been back and forth twice between Alaska and the lower
48,
but it's been awhile. Sorry about using the builder's list for this but
I'm
leaving next Wednesday for my trip to Seattle in a C-185 on straight
floats.
Trying to get my ducks lined up.

Mike Kimball
SR #044
Hi Mike
You need to file a flight plan or flight itinery if traveling more than
25
nautical miles. The flight itinery you can leave with any competent person.
The flight plan is quick and it's easy to follow the instructions. That
being said I think there's an awful lot of breakfast flights that go
without notifying anybody around here in southern ont. where the wheat and
edible beans have been harvested and half the land within gliding distance
is a runway. In the mountains it's just a little more hostile and I'm sure
I'd be filing. The WX brief # is all across Canada. Calling flight service
you say radio. You can get weather by calling flight service on 126.7 all
across Canada. Sometimes you can get flight following if the controllers
aren't too busy and you're in radar range. Get a copy of the CFS (Canada
flight supplement) it has all the airports listed so you can get the
current weather from the ones that have ATIS. plus it's Mandatory that you
carry a copy of the intercept signals Which is in the back of the book. Oh
and to be legal you need a radio license although it's extremely unlikely
that you'll be asked for it.
Drew Dalgleish




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Walter Klatt

Canadian Flight Planning

Post by Walter Klatt » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:51 pm

Yup, I know it can happen, especially as you go east
closer to Alberta.

And yes, it was ridiculously hot again today, 32C in
the valley here today. We've had a long hot summer and
it just won't quit.

Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 7:52 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Canadian Flight Planning



Enjoy it Walter !

Sure sounds a lot better than the
rain we've been
suffering here since returning from the
Ramble ! (You can have
our rain for later, if you want .... ) :-)

I was just digging back a couple of
log books -
Sept. 7th, 1992, while ferrying a 912 Rebel
U/L from Chilliwack
to Longlac, Ontario ... "Caught by heavy
snow squalls in Rogers Pass
& forced to return to Revelstoke for the
night. Unable to depart
until 12:30 pm, next day, when weather improved."

Of course, I had the opposite
problem in Sept. 1996,
flying the <O-235> Rebel on AMPHIBS -
"Kicking Horse Pass was
shimmering in 95 degree temps, with no wind
- couldn't climb
above 6,000 ft. .... Read all the street
signs in Field, BC,
as I flew past !!"

See that Chilliwack was the hottest
place in Canada on
Saturday !!! Sigh !! Maybe we should move
.... ;-)

......bobp

------------------------------orig.----------
-----------------------
At 07:22 AM 9/27/03 -0700, you wrote:
Snow squalls, what is that!!?? Hey Bob, this is the
west coast, remember. In a couple months,
we revert to
the wet coast, but not in September or
October. This is
often the best flying of the year here,
with calm winds
and not too hot.

Temps this weekend here will be 30 today and 31 C
(about 85F) tomorrow.
http://www.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/forecast/c
ity_e.html?
YXX

Walter (can't resist a gloat now and then)
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[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:06 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Canadian Flight Planning



Sounds like a fun trip - hope you
don't run into any
snow squalls (I've had that misfortune in
the passes in mid-September !)


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Canadian Flight Planning

Post by Bob Patterson » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:51 pm

Enjoy it Walter !

Sure sounds a lot better than the rain we've been
suffering here since returning from the Ramble ! (You can have
our rain for later, if you want .... ) :-)

I was just digging back a couple of log books -
Sept. 7th, 1992, while ferrying a 912 Rebel U/L from Chilliwack
to Longlac, Ontario ... "Caught by heavy snow squalls in Rogers Pass
& forced to return to Revelstoke for the night. Unable to depart
until 12:30 pm, next day, when weather improved."

Of course, I had the opposite problem in Sept. 1996,
flying the <O-235> Rebel on AMPHIBS - "Kicking Horse Pass was
shimmering in 95 degree temps, with no wind - couldn't climb
above 6,000 ft. .... Read all the street signs in Field, BC,
as I flew past !!"

See that Chilliwack was the hottest place in Canada on
Saturday !!! Sigh !! Maybe we should move .... ;-)

......bobp

------------------------------orig.---------------------------------
At 07:22 AM 9/27/03 -0700, you wrote:
Snow squalls, what is that!!?? Hey Bob, this is the
west coast, remember. In a couple months, we revert to
the wet coast, but not in September or October. This is
often the best flying of the year here, with calm winds
and not too hot.

Temps this weekend here will be 30 today and 31 C
(about 85F) tomorrow.
http://www.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/forecast/city_e.html?
YXX

Walter (can't resist a gloat now and then)
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[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:06 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Canadian Flight Planning



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don't run into any
snow squalls (I've had that misfortune in
the passes in mid-September !)


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