Great way to spend a Saturday and Sunday

[Walter Klatt]

Just got back from a trip to Tyax, and pushed some new
limits for my plane and my own experience. Thought I
would share with the list, and maybe provide some
encouragement to those still building. My plane, for
those who don't know, is a Rebel on 1800 amphibs
powered by a Lycoming 0320 150 HP.

Tyax Resort is on Tyaughton Lake about 1 1/2 hours
flying north from my home base at Langley BC. Here's a
couple of links to get an idea of what it's like there.

http://www.tyax.com/
http://www.tyaxair.com

The lake is at 3430 elevation, which is the highest I
have taken off from water so far with my plane.
Previous was 3000, but I was solo. This time I was
loaded with 29 g fuel, passenger, and luggage and stuff
for 2 people. The temperature was 23 C, or just over 70
F and a slight headwind (less than 5 knots). Anyway, I
was off the water in less than 2000 feet or about 20
seconds, which surprised even myself. I didn't give the
exact gross weight here, but those who fly on floats
should be able to figure it out. Once off the water,
though, my climb was noticeably less than usual (I am
more used to climbing out from near sea level). I like
to hold off climbing hard until my airspeed comes up to
80 mph and have removed flap. It took a lot longer this
time, and the end of the lake and trees came up pretty
fast. However, I did have a few hundred feet to spare
and could have traded some airspeed for climb if I had
to.

My next challenge was to get over a 6500 foot mountain
pass that was just 25 miles away. I cleared it by about
a thousand feet, but got to know better the meaning of
pucker factor. It's hard to tell what your real climb
rate is in the mountains, because sometimes you are
going up 1000 feet per minute, but then a minute later
going down 500 FPM or more if you're unlucky. Anyways,
I was really hoping I was not going to hit sink just
before I was over, as the canyon was starting to get
real narrow just before the top, and it was not the
type that you can approach at 45 degrees like a ridge.
No landings spots either, just snow, rocks, cliffs and
ice. This is where you really have to trust your
engine. Anyway, it was a great feeling to get over, and
I calmly wiped off those little beads of sweat from my
forehead.

I should back up and also tell you about my arrival at
Tyax. It was morning, and the lake was pure glass, not
what you want to see the first time in. And to make it
even more challenging, you can't land in a straight
line, as the lake is narrow and snakes a bit like a
river, and the morning sun shaded half the water to one
side by a large mountain, but the plane was still
actually in the sun. It was absolutely impossible to
tell where the surface was. All you could see was green
mountain and sky below you. I can sure see how float
plane pilots can screw up under these conditions. As
you set your attitude and speed, and slow your descent
rate with power, there is a real temptation to get down
quickly knowing the end of the lake is coming up fast.
Anyway, I ended up using half the lake, but the
touchdown was text book perfect, although as always,
sooner than expected.

All in all, a great couple of days, and a little more
confidence in my plane and myself.

Walter



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[Walter Klatt]

The hottest CHT (#3) stayed steady at about 430. I
don't need to step climb anymore unless it is really
hot out, which it wasn't this weekend. Also, once I'm
above 3000 or so, it doesn't overheat, probably because
the mixture is a little richer. At 5000, I start to
lean a little to keep my power up. Cruise these days is
around 380.

Walter

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Hi Walter,

Congratulations, Its sounds as if your trip
was very educating and rewarding.
Most of us can only imagine right now.

How were those CHT's on the climb over the pass?

Bruce 357R



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[klehman]

I enjoyed the story Walter!
Brought back memories of hammering new float pilots with the concept of
NEVER trying to outclimb anything they didn't have to. Ten degrees of
bank at max climb angle speed, or immediately after takeoff, would turn
a floatplane pretty quick once the guys looked around and stopped
focusing on what was in front of them. It was fun to suggest a 10 degree
bank when the new guy's eyes got big looking at the trees after takeoff
instead of a low spot ;)
Ken

Walter Klatt wrote:

Just got back from a trip to Tyax, and pushed some new
limits for my plane and my own experience. Thought I
would share with the list, and maybe provide some
encouragement to those still building. My plane, for
those who don't know, is a Rebel on 1800 amphibs
powered by a Lycoming 0320 150 HP.
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[Legeorgen]

Hi Walter,

Congratulations, Its sounds as if your trip was very educating and rewarding.
Most of us can only imagine right now.

How were those CHT's on the climb over the pass?

Bruce 357R



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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Sure..the guy flies right by my door and can't drop in!! Did you at least
figure out where I really am this trip through Drew!

)
Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Great way to spend a Saturday and Sunday

Great story Walter. It was a good flying weekend in Ontario too. I took my
wife to Henrys fish shack on frying pan island in georgian bay. It's a
water access only resturant that's been high on my list of places to go

for

a long time.
Drew

t 08:15 PM 8/31/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Just got back from a trip to Tyax, and pushed some new
limits for my plane and my own experience. Thought I
would share with the list, and maybe provide some
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[Drew Dalgleish]

Great story Walter. It was a good flying weekend in Ontario too. I took my
wife to Henrys fish shack on frying pan island in georgian bay. It's a
water access only resturant that's been high on my list of places to go for
a long time.
Drew

t 08:15 PM 8/31/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Just got back from a trip to Tyax, and pushed some new
limits for my plane and my own experience. Thought I
would share with the list, and maybe provide some
encouragement to those still building. My plane, for
those who don't know, is a Rebel on 1800 amphibs
powered by a Lycoming 0320 150 HP.

Tyax Resort is on Tyaughton Lake about 1 1/2 hours
flying north from my home base at Langley BC. Here's a
couple of links to get an idea of what it's like there.

http://www.tyax.com/
http://www.tyaxair.com

The lake is at 3430 elevation, which is the highest I
have taken off from water so far with my plane.
Previous was 3000, but I was solo. This time I was
loaded with 29 g fuel, passenger, and luggage and stuff
for 2 people. The temperature was 23 C, or just over 70
F and a slight headwind (less than 5 knots). Anyway, I
was off the water in less than 2000 feet or about 20
seconds, which surprised even myself. I didn't give the
exact gross weight here, but those who fly on floats
should be able to figure it out. Once off the water,
though, my climb was noticeably less than usual (I am
more used to climbing out from near sea level). I like
to hold off climbing hard until my airspeed comes up to
80 mph and have removed flap. It took a lot longer this
time, and the end of the lake and trees came up pretty
fast. However, I did have a few hundred feet to spare
and could have traded some airspeed for climb if I had
to.

My next challenge was to get over a 6500 foot mountain
pass that was just 25 miles away. I cleared it by about
a thousand feet, but got to know better the meaning of
pucker factor. It's hard to tell what your real climb
rate is in the mountains, because sometimes you are
going up 1000 feet per minute, but then a minute later
going down 500 FPM or more if you're unlucky. Anyways,
I was really hoping I was not going to hit sink just
before I was over, as the canyon was starting to get
real narrow just before the top, and it was not the
type that you can approach at 45 degrees like a ridge.
No landings spots either, just snow, rocks, cliffs and
ice. This is where you really have to trust your
engine. Anyway, it was a great feeling to get over, and
I calmly wiped off those little beads of sweat from my
forehead.

I should back up and also tell you about my arrival at
Tyax. It was morning, and the lake was pure glass, not
what you want to see the first time in. And to make it
even more challenging, you can't land in a straight
line, as the lake is narrow and snakes a bit like a
river, and the morning sun shaded half the water to one
side by a large mountain, but the plane was still
actually in the sun. It was absolutely impossible to
tell where the surface was. All you could see was green
mountain and sky below you. I can sure see how float
plane pilots can screw up under these conditions. As
you set your attitude and speed, and slow your descent
rate with power, there is a real temptation to get down
quickly knowing the end of the lake is coming up fast.
Anyway, I ended up using half the lake, but the
touchdown was text book perfect, although as always,
sooner than expected.

All in all, a great couple of days, and a little more
confidence in my plane and myself.

Walter



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[Drew Dalgleish]

I think I got it figured out Wayne. South side of penetang harbour straight
east of the loony bin. North south strip with tall trees at the north end.
I'm not sure if I landed at your place fully loaded that I'd ever get out
again. I was really close to your door sat. on our way to henrys we landed
in penatang harbour to visit a freind on his sailboat. Sun. on my way home
from McKellar, Parry sound area where our cottage is I landed at the east
side of Bone island after trying to take some aerial pictures of buddys
boat at it's mooring. Next time I'm just going to land and pick up the guy
and let him take his own damn pictures. It's not safe to try and take
pictures while flying a plane IMHO. Took off from there later than I wanted
to and flew right over your strip at about 7:00PM and made it back to
Centralia just before the end of twilight :)
Drew

t 11:43 AM 9/1/2003 -0400, you wrote:

Sure..the guy flies right by my door and can't drop in!! Did you at least
figure out where I really am this trip through Drew!

)
Wayne


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From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Great way to spend a Saturday and Sunday

Great story Walter. It was a good flying weekend in Ontario too. I took my
wife to Henrys fish shack on frying pan island in georgian bay. It's a
water access only resturant that's been high on my list of places to go

for

a long time.
Drew

t 08:15 PM 8/31/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Just got back from a trip to Tyax, and pushed some new
limits for my plane and my own experience. Thought I
would share with the list, and maybe provide some
encouragement to those still building. My plane, for

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Yep, you've got the right place, but don't let the trees scare you. No
matter what the wind is doing land Northbound and take off Southbound. Right
hand circuit to land 36. On departure -18- if you're off the ground by the
windsock (1/2 field - 1000ft) you don't have to climb an inch to get out of
here.

Wayne

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From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: Great way to spend a Saturday and Sunday

I think I got it figured out Wayne. South side of penetang harbour

straight

east of the loony bin. North south strip with tall trees at the north end.
I'm not sure if I landed at your place fully loaded that I'd ever get out
again. I was really close to your door sat. on our way to henrys we landed
in penatang harbour to visit a freind on his sailboat. Sun. on my way home
from McKellar, Parry sound area where our cottage is I landed at the east
side of Bone island after trying to take some aerial pictures of buddys
boat at it's mooring. Next time I'm just going to land and pick up the guy
and let him take his own damn pictures. It's not safe to try and take
pictures while flying a plane IMHO. Took off from there later than I

wanted

to and flew right over your strip at about 7:00PM and made it back to
Centralia just before the end of twilight :)
Drew

t 11:43 AM 9/1/2003 -0400, you wrote:

Sure..the guy flies right by my door and can't drop in!! Did you at least
figure out where I really am this trip through Drew!

)
Wayne


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From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Great way to spend a Saturday and Sunday

Great story Walter. It was a good flying weekend in Ontario too. I took

my

wife to Henrys fish shack on frying pan island in georgian bay. It's a
water access only resturant that's been high on my list of places to go

for

a long time.
Drew

t 08:15 PM 8/31/2003 -0700, you wrote:

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