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CBFLESHREN

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Post by CBFLESHREN » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:47 pm

Scott, as I've mentioned b4 (I know , I don't catch EVERYTHING either) THE
single best info site online for homebuilt aircraft electrical system info
and unique product sales is Bob Nuckolls' web site & theory book & catalog.
"The Aeroelectric Connection" . You can Email him at :
nuckolls@aeroelectric.com & go to his web site & see everything including
join his list about aircraft electrical stuff at www.aeroelectric.com. You
can even download SCHEMATICS for a variety of different aircraft electrical
system architechtures. P.S He can even tell you the difference between
"wiring diagrams" & "schematics" :-) Every home builder should have his
book for refrence and education. Chris 569E

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rebel300r

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Post by rebel300r » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:47 pm

Chris 569E,

Thanks for the great advice. I actually found
his site this afternoon and have now some example
wire diagrams in AutoCAD to work with. I have
learned a lot from his site already! I have put
together a rudimentary layout but still have a
lot to do, including determining all the loads,
etc.

Scott






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Al & Deb Paxhia

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Post by Al & Deb Paxhia » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm

I just finished wiring the control stick grips, each has a trim switch and a
PTT. I am concerned about running the wires down into the control tube. It
looks to me like the wires could foul the controls or chafe as the control
column moves. How have you others run your wires?
Al, SR26




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Rick and Cathy Ford

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Post by Rick and Cathy Ford » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm

A1,SR26

I ran my wires down the tube, but exited the aluminum tube just above the
chrome moly in my Rebel.
Then the 5 conductor cable ran across the floor (away from the feet) an up
the side to the instrument panel.

Rick Ford

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I just finished wiring the control stick grips, each has a trim switch and
a
PTT. I am concerned about running the wires down into the control tube. It
looks to me like the wires could foul the controls or chafe as the control
column moves. How have you others run your wires?
Al, SR26

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Flyin B Ranch

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Post by Flyin B Ranch » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm

Wilst we are on wiring, How do most run wires to the rear of the plane? Is it a good idea to put some kind of conduit under the floor before riviting it on (That I am about to do). Or run them under the inside corner wraps? Or?

Thanks guys,

Bruce





I ran my wires down the tube, but exited the aluminum tube just above the
chrome moly in my Rebel.
Then the 5 conductor cable ran across the floor (away from the feet) an up
the side to the instrument panel.

Rick Ford



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Bob Patterson

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Post by Bob Patterson » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm

Hi Bruce !

<I> would not put anything under the floor that you might want
to maintain sometime (including fuel lines). ;-)

Perhaps a piece of clear fuel line tubing running down the side
of the fuselage, above the floor, resting on the top of the corner
wraps, tie-wrapped to the bulkheads ??? Or just bundle the wires...

......bobp

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it a good idea to put some kind of conduit under the floor before riviting
it on (That I am about to do). Or run them under the inside corner wraps? Or?
Thanks guys,

Bruce





I ran my wires down the tube, but exited the aluminum tube just above the
chrome moly in my Rebel.
Then the 5 conductor cable ran across the floor (away from the feet) an up
the side to the instrument panel.

Rick Ford
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Rick and Cathy Ford

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Post by Rick and Cathy Ford » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm

My wires are run down through the top corner of the fuselage.
But then my switch panel is above my windshield.

Rick Ford
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Wilst we are on wiring, How do most run wires to the rear of the plane? Is
it a good idea to put some kind of conduit under the floor before riviting
it on (That I am about to do). Or run them under the inside corner wraps?
Or?

Thanks guys,

Bruce





I ran my wires down the tube, but exited the aluminum tube just above the
chrome moly in my Rebel.
Then the 5 conductor cable ran across the floor (away from the feet) an up
the side to the instrument panel.

Rick Ford
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Flyin B Ranch

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Post by Flyin B Ranch » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm

I have used a piece of PVC pipe attached to holes in the fuselage bulkheads under the floorboards in the past for RV's that i built. Then ya can just push the wiring through it very easy later on.

Bruce










Hi Bruce !

<I> would not put anything under the floor that you might want
to maintain sometime (including fuel lines). ;-)

Perhaps a piece of clear fuel line tubing running down the side
of the fuselage, above the floor, resting on the top of the corner
wraps, tie-wrapped to the bulkheads ??? Or just bundle the wires...

......bobp



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Murray and Carol Cherkas

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Post by Murray and Carol Cherkas » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:58 pm

Hello EVERY BODY

Like Tony Bingelis say's, it's not that hard, wire one circuit ata time and
then do the next one.Plan it out before you start, this is 30% of the
job.Well as I was laying it out. Put my 6 engine inst. upside down on the
table,this is going to be easy. As they all mount from the back I thought
I'd pre wire all of them and then install them.Put all the grounds together,
put all the positives together, run a single wire to the switch to turn them
all on together,run a single ground to fuse. DONE. Don't stop here, keep
thinking.As I was on my way to get what I forgot to get the last time, the
light came on. If I ever wanted to remove one inst. how was I going to do
it. Back to the drawing board. I will have to wire all the inst. separatly
with some sort of plug so as to be able to remove one if needed.Now I know
why, but HOW? Well, get a bus bar ( I mean 4 of them)with screw
terminals,run each ground to a screw,run each positive to a screw and repeat
this for the inst.power as well as the inst. lights.( the instructions say
not to ground the lights with the inst. ground)Yes. don't wait to read the
instructions until after your finished.What A plan! Where does one mount
these bus bars?
Well I made channels to fit into the channels that are the firewall
reinforcments. Bolted the bus bars to these new channls then screwed the
channels to the reinforcing channels.I now have 4 bus bars installed.One for
the lights ground,one for the lights positive, one for the inst. ground and
one for the inst. positive.Run a ground wire from the bus bar toa ground
point on the fuse and run one lead from the switch to the positive bus
bar.Put "U" clips on the wires to attach to the bus bar.

HOPE YOU ALL GET THE IDEA BY NOW.

This is not the GOSPEL from PAUL my name is Murray.This may not work for
everyone but it was the best I could muster up on short notice.

GOOD LUCK!

No problem! When I cut the firewall back I had to reinvent the bracing from
the inst. panel to the firewall.In so doing I made 6"x8" panels to hold the
square tubing together.(go back and read how to make this brace between the
inst. panel and the firewall)



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Murray and Carol Cherkas

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Post by Murray and Carol Cherkas » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:58 pm

Got ahead of myself. After GOOD LUCK.

I used this 6"x8" panel to install the main bus bar and the ammeter shunt.

Worked for me

BYE


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Mike Davis

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Post by Mike Davis » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:58 pm

As Wayne already pointed out most of these terminal strips will have lock
washers on them, many will also come with a screw on cover to help protect
them. When I was a tron chaser in the USMC working on A-6, then F-18
aircraft these terminal strips were common... the main 4 gauge wiring from
the generators was connected with terminals also. Tieing the wires into a
solid bundle and securing the bundle will minimize any movement that might
try to loosen a terminal screw. If you're still concerned about it you
could always get a terminal strip with screw posts (instead of screws) that
uses nuts to hold the wires on, then throw an extra nut on each one, making
a jamb nut that will keep things from coming loose.

Mike

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WAKE UP EVERYBODY

I write a long dessertation on my wiring dilema and no comments.

Got to thinking some more.Will the screws in the fuse blocks come loose
and
if they might should a person use fuse blocks with spade connectors
instead.
Maybe some blue thread lock on the screws will be sure to hold them in.

With no comments am I barking up the wrong tree.How did everybody else do
their wiring? This seemed like a good idea.

COMMENTS PLEASE, THANK-YOU

Murray

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Murray and Carol Cherkas

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Post by Murray and Carol Cherkas » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:58 pm

WAKE UP EVERYBODY

I write a long dessertation on my wiring dilema and no comments.

Got to thinking some more.Will the screws in the fuse blocks come loose and
if they might should a person use fuse blocks with spade connectors instead.
Maybe some blue thread lock on the screws will be sure to hold them in.

With no comments am I barking up the wrong tree.How did everybody else do
their wiring? This seemed like a good idea.

COMMENTS PLEASE, THANK-YOU

Murray



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Wayne G. O'Shea

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Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:58 pm

Murray, didn't sound like you had a dilema at all when you closed with
"Worked for me", so I guess everyone just let it go as a suggested way to do
the wiring!

The terminal strip screws usually have a lock washer on them and I've rarely
seen them come loose, as there is a limited amount of rotational movement
that the wire lug can make on the strips. Have seen a few wires come loose
on switches etc though from people tugging or bumping the wiring, so I like
to make sure things are tie wrapped up nice and neat when your done the
installations.

The terminal strips are a nice way of keeping the wiring simple and easy for
pulling an item out of the panel for repair. In a lot of cases just as easy
in the case of the gauges to use high quality crimp connectors to make
pigtails from gauge to gauge (since you are probably going to use one
circuit breaker for all of them) and just leave enough free wire at each
pigtail that you could drop a guage out of the panel and be able to
slip/unbolt the connector off the unit in question, so you can have it
repaired.

Wayne

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WAKE UP EVERYBODY

I write a long dessertation on my wiring dilema and no comments.

Got to thinking some more.Will the screws in the fuse blocks come loose
and
if they might should a person use fuse blocks with spade connectors
instead.
Maybe some blue thread lock on the screws will be sure to hold them in.

With no comments am I barking up the wrong tree.How did everybody else do
their wiring? This seemed like a good idea.

COMMENTS PLEASE, THANK-YOU

Murray



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Ralph Baker

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Post by Ralph Baker » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:58 pm

Murray,
You won't have any trouble with the terminal block screws backing out.
I would NOT use any Locltite as it reacts poorly with some plastics.
Ring terminals are preferred by most people. Easier maintenance is
provided by locking fork tongue terminals. These are "spade" type with
the tip ends turned up slightly. That way they can be removed without
removing the screws completely and yet will not disconnect if the screw
becomes loose.

For those who are doing or planning the electrics I suggest Bob Nuckolls
book "Aeroelectrics". It is a fountain of information. Bob is a strong
proponent of the "forest of tabs" grounding philosophy and I agree with
him that it is the best way to avoid ground loops as well as being easy
to troubleshoot.
Ralph Baker
Elite 624E


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Post by Lonnie Benson » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:58 pm

Murray.,

Two suggestions,

1) Join the aeroelectric-list@matronics.com by going to
www.matronics.com/subscription
2) Visit the Bob Nuckolls website www.aeroelectronics.com
See what some of the people who have been in the aircraft
electrical/electronics field for years have to say about wiring your
airplane.

Lonnie

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I write a long dessertation on my wiring dilema and no comments.

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Maybe some blue thread lock on the screws will be sure to hold them in.

With no comments am I barking up the wrong tree.How did everybody else do
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COMMENTS PLEASE, THANK-YOU

Murray



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