Hi All
Was going through the many ref books trying to find lighting requirement for
kit planes in canada. vfr, ifr what ever
Can someone tell me where this might be. aip, transport web site, raa manual
??
Also, how come i dont see rotating beacons on anyones rebel, maybe there are
but dont recall, do strobes replace rotating beacons ? I seem to recall from
my pilot training (few years back now) that before starting any engine
beacon must be on ? Is this a rule ? Excuse me for saying a bad word, but
all cesnas seem to have them ?
mike#007
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Mike Kimball
rotating beacon
I know the question being asked concerns Canada, but I thought others might
wonder the same thing about the US, plus the odds are that the Canadian
requirement is similar.
FAR 91.205 says that if the plane was made after March 11, 1996 you must
have either a red or white anticollision light that meets all sorts of
complicated requirements set forth in other regulations, such as candle
power and how many degrees the light can be seen around the plane. This
could be a strobe or a rotating beacon as long as it is bright enough and
can be seen from various directions around the aircraft. There is a nice
drawing describing this in the Aircraft Spruce catalog. This requirement is
for operations VFR during the DAY. Then, FAR 91.209 goes on to say that "No
person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light
system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights." Who writes this
stuff?! What they're saying is if they are installed you must turn them on
whenever you operate the aircraft. That is where the "ON before starting
the engine" rule came from. There is a caveat that says if the PIC thinks
it would be safer to not turn them on he doesn't have to. This allows you
to turn them off when you are IFR in the clouds and a bright flash every
second or so would make you continuously blind.
In the US, in addition to the anticollision light, all that is required for
night flight are "lighted position lights" (as opposed to the unlighted
kind). Once again, the FAR is saying that not only do you have to have them
but you also have to turn them on. Position lights consist of a red one on
the left wing pointing pretty much left and forward, green one on the right
wing pointing right and forward, and a white one pointing back.
Unless you are flying for hire (which you cannot do in a aircraft with an
experimental airworthiness certificate) you do not have to have a landing
light. There is no requirement for a taxi light.
Given all this, I am going with the wingtip mounted combo units that have
the strobes and position lights, including the rear facing white ones. That
meets all the requirements in one simple installation. I also have the MAM
supplied wing leading edge landing and taxi lights even though I don't
legally need them.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jones, Michael
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:00 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: rotating beacon
Hi All
Was going through the many ref books trying to find lighting requirement for
kit planes in canada. vfr, ifr what ever
Can someone tell me where this might be. aip, transport web site, raa manual
??
Also, how come i dont see rotating beacons on anyones rebel, maybe there are
but dont recall, do strobes replace rotating beacons ? I seem to recall from
my pilot training (few years back now) that before starting any engine
beacon must be on ? Is this a rule ? Excuse me for saying a bad word, but
all cesnas seem to have them ?
mike#007
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wonder the same thing about the US, plus the odds are that the Canadian
requirement is similar.
FAR 91.205 says that if the plane was made after March 11, 1996 you must
have either a red or white anticollision light that meets all sorts of
complicated requirements set forth in other regulations, such as candle
power and how many degrees the light can be seen around the plane. This
could be a strobe or a rotating beacon as long as it is bright enough and
can be seen from various directions around the aircraft. There is a nice
drawing describing this in the Aircraft Spruce catalog. This requirement is
for operations VFR during the DAY. Then, FAR 91.209 goes on to say that "No
person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light
system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights." Who writes this
stuff?! What they're saying is if they are installed you must turn them on
whenever you operate the aircraft. That is where the "ON before starting
the engine" rule came from. There is a caveat that says if the PIC thinks
it would be safer to not turn them on he doesn't have to. This allows you
to turn them off when you are IFR in the clouds and a bright flash every
second or so would make you continuously blind.
In the US, in addition to the anticollision light, all that is required for
night flight are "lighted position lights" (as opposed to the unlighted
kind). Once again, the FAR is saying that not only do you have to have them
but you also have to turn them on. Position lights consist of a red one on
the left wing pointing pretty much left and forward, green one on the right
wing pointing right and forward, and a white one pointing back.
Unless you are flying for hire (which you cannot do in a aircraft with an
experimental airworthiness certificate) you do not have to have a landing
light. There is no requirement for a taxi light.
Given all this, I am going with the wingtip mounted combo units that have
the strobes and position lights, including the rear facing white ones. That
meets all the requirements in one simple installation. I also have the MAM
supplied wing leading edge landing and taxi lights even though I don't
legally need them.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jones, Michael
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:00 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: rotating beacon
Hi All
Was going through the many ref books trying to find lighting requirement for
kit planes in canada. vfr, ifr what ever
Can someone tell me where this might be. aip, transport web site, raa manual
??
Also, how come i dont see rotating beacons on anyones rebel, maybe there are
but dont recall, do strobes replace rotating beacons ? I seem to recall from
my pilot training (few years back now) that before starting any engine
beacon must be on ? Is this a rule ? Excuse me for saying a bad word, but
all cesnas seem to have them ?
mike#007
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Mike Kimball
rotating beacon
It's a bit pricey. Looking at the current prices on-line with Aircraft
Spruce I found the following prices. I checked three Whelen strobe kits
that they offer. All three kits use the A600 combo lights for each wingtip
that includes the strobe, red/green nav, and white nav lights.
Part number 11-03100 uses a single remote mounted power supply and costs
$781
Part number 11-03400 uses a power supply in each wingtip and costs $827
Part number 11-03200 uses a better power supply in each wingtip and costs
$935.
If you're not dead set on Whelen, you could use the Aeroflash unit.
Part number 156-0049-12V uses power supplies in each wingtip, single flash
and costs $445.95
Part number 156-0049-DF uses power supplies in each wingtip, double flash
and costs $451.95
MAM wants $1000 for the Whelen setup and I don't know which power supply(s)
they provide.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Rickhm at home
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:44 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
A touch off the subject, but do you think the wing tip kit from MAM is worth
the $$$
Rick
SR70
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kimball [SMTP:mkimball@gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:38 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
I know the question being asked concerns Canada, but I thought others might
wonder the same thing about the US, plus the odds are that the Canadian
requirement is similar.
FAR 91.205 says that if the plane was made after March 11, 1996 you must
have either a red or white anticollision light that meets all sorts of
complicated requirements set forth in other regulations, such as candle
power and how many degrees the light can be seen around the plane. This
could be a strobe or a rotating beacon as long as it is bright enough and
can be seen from various directions around the aircraft. There is a nice
drawing describing this in the Aircraft Spruce catalog. This requirement is
for operations VFR during the DAY. Then, FAR 91.209 goes on to say that "No
person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light
system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights." Who writes this
stuff?! What they're saying is if they are installed you must turn them on
whenever you operate the aircraft. That is where the "ON before starting
the engine" rule came from. There is a caveat that says if the PIC thinks
it would be safer to not turn them on he doesn't have to. This allows you
to turn them off when you are IFR in the clouds and a bright flash every
second or so would make you continuously blind.
In the US, in addition to the anticollision light, all that is required for
night flight are "lighted position lights" (as opposed to the unlighted
kind). Once again, the FAR is saying that not only do you have to have them
but you also have to turn them on. Position lights consist of a red one on
the left wing pointing pretty much left and forward, green one on the right
wing pointing right and forward, and a white one pointing back.
Unless you are flying for hire (which you cannot do in a aircraft with an
experimental airworthiness certificate) you do not have to have a landing
light. There is no requirement for a taxi light.
Given all this, I am going with the wingtip mounted combo units that have
the strobes and position lights, including the rear facing white ones. That
meets all the requirements in one simple installation. I also have the MAM
supplied wing leading edge landing and taxi lights even though I don't
legally need them.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jones, Michael
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:00 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: rotating beacon
Hi All
Was going through the many ref books trying to find lighting requirement for
kit planes in canada. vfr, ifr what ever
Can someone tell me where this might be. aip, transport web site, raa manual
??
Also, how come i dont see rotating beacons on anyones rebel, maybe there are
but dont recall, do strobes replace rotating beacons ? I seem to recall from
my pilot training (few years back now) that before starting any engine
beacon must be on ? Is this a rule ? Excuse me for saying a bad word, but
all cesnas seem to have them ?
mike#007
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Spruce I found the following prices. I checked three Whelen strobe kits
that they offer. All three kits use the A600 combo lights for each wingtip
that includes the strobe, red/green nav, and white nav lights.
Part number 11-03100 uses a single remote mounted power supply and costs
$781
Part number 11-03400 uses a power supply in each wingtip and costs $827
Part number 11-03200 uses a better power supply in each wingtip and costs
$935.
If you're not dead set on Whelen, you could use the Aeroflash unit.
Part number 156-0049-12V uses power supplies in each wingtip, single flash
and costs $445.95
Part number 156-0049-DF uses power supplies in each wingtip, double flash
and costs $451.95
MAM wants $1000 for the Whelen setup and I don't know which power supply(s)
they provide.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Rickhm at home
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:44 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
A touch off the subject, but do you think the wing tip kit from MAM is worth
the $$$
Rick
SR70
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kimball [SMTP:mkimball@gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:38 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
I know the question being asked concerns Canada, but I thought others might
wonder the same thing about the US, plus the odds are that the Canadian
requirement is similar.
FAR 91.205 says that if the plane was made after March 11, 1996 you must
have either a red or white anticollision light that meets all sorts of
complicated requirements set forth in other regulations, such as candle
power and how many degrees the light can be seen around the plane. This
could be a strobe or a rotating beacon as long as it is bright enough and
can be seen from various directions around the aircraft. There is a nice
drawing describing this in the Aircraft Spruce catalog. This requirement is
for operations VFR during the DAY. Then, FAR 91.209 goes on to say that "No
person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light
system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights." Who writes this
stuff?! What they're saying is if they are installed you must turn them on
whenever you operate the aircraft. That is where the "ON before starting
the engine" rule came from. There is a caveat that says if the PIC thinks
it would be safer to not turn them on he doesn't have to. This allows you
to turn them off when you are IFR in the clouds and a bright flash every
second or so would make you continuously blind.
In the US, in addition to the anticollision light, all that is required for
night flight are "lighted position lights" (as opposed to the unlighted
kind). Once again, the FAR is saying that not only do you have to have them
but you also have to turn them on. Position lights consist of a red one on
the left wing pointing pretty much left and forward, green one on the right
wing pointing right and forward, and a white one pointing back.
Unless you are flying for hire (which you cannot do in a aircraft with an
experimental airworthiness certificate) you do not have to have a landing
light. There is no requirement for a taxi light.
Given all this, I am going with the wingtip mounted combo units that have
the strobes and position lights, including the rear facing white ones. That
meets all the requirements in one simple installation. I also have the MAM
supplied wing leading edge landing and taxi lights even though I don't
legally need them.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jones, Michael
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:00 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: rotating beacon
Hi All
Was going through the many ref books trying to find lighting requirement for
kit planes in canada. vfr, ifr what ever
Can someone tell me where this might be. aip, transport web site, raa manual
??
Also, how come i dont see rotating beacons on anyones rebel, maybe there are
but dont recall, do strobes replace rotating beacons ? I seem to recall from
my pilot training (few years back now) that before starting any engine
beacon must be on ? Is this a rule ? Excuse me for saying a bad word, but
all cesnas seem to have them ?
mike#007
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Mike Kimball
rotating beacon
Oops. I just re-read the email about the wingtip price from MAM and it
doesn't ask about wingtip strobes. Just says wingtip kit. There are only
two wingtip things on their website: strobes and landing/taxi light kits. I
guess there's a 50% chance that Rick was asking about the strobes.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kimball [mailto:mkimball@gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:03 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
It's a bit pricey. Looking at the current prices on-line with Aircraft
Spruce I found the following prices. I checked three Whelen strobe kits
that they offer. All three kits use the A600 combo lights for each wingtip
that includes the strobe, red/green nav, and white nav lights.
Part number 11-03100 uses a single remote mounted power supply and costs
$781
Part number 11-03400 uses a power supply in each wingtip and costs $827
Part number 11-03200 uses a better power supply in each wingtip and costs
$935.
If you're not dead set on Whelen, you could use the Aeroflash unit.
Part number 156-0049-12V uses power supplies in each wingtip, single flash
and costs $445.95
Part number 156-0049-DF uses power supplies in each wingtip, double flash
and costs $451.95
MAM wants $1000 for the Whelen setup and I don't know which power supply(s)
they provide.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Rickhm at home
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:44 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
A touch off the subject, but do you think the wing tip kit from MAM is worth
the $$$
Rick
SR70
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kimball [SMTP:mkimball@gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:38 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
I know the question being asked concerns Canada, but I thought others might
wonder the same thing about the US, plus the odds are that the Canadian
requirement is similar.
FAR 91.205 says that if the plane was made after March 11, 1996 you must
have either a red or white anticollision light that meets all sorts of
complicated requirements set forth in other regulations, such as candle
power and how many degrees the light can be seen around the plane. This
could be a strobe or a rotating beacon as long as it is bright enough and
can be seen from various directions around the aircraft. There is a nice
drawing describing this in the Aircraft Spruce catalog. This requirement is
for operations VFR during the DAY. Then, FAR 91.209 goes on to say that "No
person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light
system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights." Who writes this
stuff?! What they're saying is if they are installed you must turn them on
whenever you operate the aircraft. That is where the "ON before starting
the engine" rule came from. There is a caveat that says if the PIC thinks
it would be safer to not turn them on he doesn't have to. This allows you
to turn them off when you are IFR in the clouds and a bright flash every
second or so would make you continuously blind.
In the US, in addition to the anticollision light, all that is required for
night flight are "lighted position lights" (as opposed to the unlighted
kind). Once again, the FAR is saying that not only do you have to have them
but you also have to turn them on. Position lights consist of a red one on
the left wing pointing pretty much left and forward, green one on the right
wing pointing right and forward, and a white one pointing back.
Unless you are flying for hire (which you cannot do in a aircraft with an
experimental airworthiness certificate) you do not have to have a landing
light. There is no requirement for a taxi light.
Given all this, I am going with the wingtip mounted combo units that have
the strobes and position lights, including the rear facing white ones. That
meets all the requirements in one simple installation. I also have the MAM
supplied wing leading edge landing and taxi lights even though I don't
legally need them.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jones, Michael
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:00 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: rotating beacon
Hi All
Was going through the many ref books trying to find lighting requirement for
kit planes in canada. vfr, ifr what ever
Can someone tell me where this might be. aip, transport web site, raa manual
??
Also, how come i dont see rotating beacons on anyones rebel, maybe there are
but dont recall, do strobes replace rotating beacons ? I seem to recall from
my pilot training (few years back now) that before starting any engine
beacon must be on ? Is this a rule ? Excuse me for saying a bad word, but
all cesnas seem to have them ?
mike#007
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doesn't ask about wingtip strobes. Just says wingtip kit. There are only
two wingtip things on their website: strobes and landing/taxi light kits. I
guess there's a 50% chance that Rick was asking about the strobes.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kimball [mailto:mkimball@gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:03 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
It's a bit pricey. Looking at the current prices on-line with Aircraft
Spruce I found the following prices. I checked three Whelen strobe kits
that they offer. All three kits use the A600 combo lights for each wingtip
that includes the strobe, red/green nav, and white nav lights.
Part number 11-03100 uses a single remote mounted power supply and costs
$781
Part number 11-03400 uses a power supply in each wingtip and costs $827
Part number 11-03200 uses a better power supply in each wingtip and costs
$935.
If you're not dead set on Whelen, you could use the Aeroflash unit.
Part number 156-0049-12V uses power supplies in each wingtip, single flash
and costs $445.95
Part number 156-0049-DF uses power supplies in each wingtip, double flash
and costs $451.95
MAM wants $1000 for the Whelen setup and I don't know which power supply(s)
they provide.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
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Rickhm at home
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:44 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
A touch off the subject, but do you think the wing tip kit from MAM is worth
the $$$
Rick
SR70
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From: Mike Kimball [SMTP:mkimball@gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:38 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
I know the question being asked concerns Canada, but I thought others might
wonder the same thing about the US, plus the odds are that the Canadian
requirement is similar.
FAR 91.205 says that if the plane was made after March 11, 1996 you must
have either a red or white anticollision light that meets all sorts of
complicated requirements set forth in other regulations, such as candle
power and how many degrees the light can be seen around the plane. This
could be a strobe or a rotating beacon as long as it is bright enough and
can be seen from various directions around the aircraft. There is a nice
drawing describing this in the Aircraft Spruce catalog. This requirement is
for operations VFR during the DAY. Then, FAR 91.209 goes on to say that "No
person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light
system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights." Who writes this
stuff?! What they're saying is if they are installed you must turn them on
whenever you operate the aircraft. That is where the "ON before starting
the engine" rule came from. There is a caveat that says if the PIC thinks
it would be safer to not turn them on he doesn't have to. This allows you
to turn them off when you are IFR in the clouds and a bright flash every
second or so would make you continuously blind.
In the US, in addition to the anticollision light, all that is required for
night flight are "lighted position lights" (as opposed to the unlighted
kind). Once again, the FAR is saying that not only do you have to have them
but you also have to turn them on. Position lights consist of a red one on
the left wing pointing pretty much left and forward, green one on the right
wing pointing right and forward, and a white one pointing back.
Unless you are flying for hire (which you cannot do in a aircraft with an
experimental airworthiness certificate) you do not have to have a landing
light. There is no requirement for a taxi light.
Given all this, I am going with the wingtip mounted combo units that have
the strobes and position lights, including the rear facing white ones. That
meets all the requirements in one simple installation. I also have the MAM
supplied wing leading edge landing and taxi lights even though I don't
legally need them.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
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Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:00 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: rotating beacon
Hi All
Was going through the many ref books trying to find lighting requirement for
kit planes in canada. vfr, ifr what ever
Can someone tell me where this might be. aip, transport web site, raa manual
??
Also, how come i dont see rotating beacons on anyones rebel, maybe there are
but dont recall, do strobes replace rotating beacons ? I seem to recall from
my pilot training (few years back now) that before starting any engine
beacon must be on ? Is this a rule ? Excuse me for saying a bad word, but
all cesnas seem to have them ?
mike#007
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Rickhm at home
rotating beacon
A touch off the subject, but do you think the wing tip kit from MAM is worth the $$$
Rick
SR70
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From: Mike Kimball [SMTP:mkimball@gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:38 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
I know the question being asked concerns Canada, but I thought others might
wonder the same thing about the US, plus the odds are that the Canadian
requirement is similar.
FAR 91.205 says that if the plane was made after March 11, 1996 you must
have either a red or white anticollision light that meets all sorts of
complicated requirements set forth in other regulations, such as candle
power and how many degrees the light can be seen around the plane. This
could be a strobe or a rotating beacon as long as it is bright enough and
can be seen from various directions around the aircraft. There is a nice
drawing describing this in the Aircraft Spruce catalog. This requirement is
for operations VFR during the DAY. Then, FAR 91.209 goes on to say that "No
person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light
system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights." Who writes this
stuff?! What they're saying is if they are installed you must turn them on
whenever you operate the aircraft. That is where the "ON before starting
the engine" rule came from. There is a caveat that says if the PIC thinks
it would be safer to not turn them on he doesn't have to. This allows you
to turn them off when you are IFR in the clouds and a bright flash every
second or so would make you continuously blind.
In the US, in addition to the anticollision light, all that is required for
night flight are "lighted position lights" (as opposed to the unlighted
kind). Once again, the FAR is saying that not only do you have to have them
but you also have to turn them on. Position lights consist of a red one on
the left wing pointing pretty much left and forward, green one on the right
wing pointing right and forward, and a white one pointing back.
Unless you are flying for hire (which you cannot do in a aircraft with an
experimental airworthiness certificate) you do not have to have a landing
light. There is no requirement for a taxi light.
Given all this, I am going with the wingtip mounted combo units that have
the strobes and position lights, including the rear facing white ones. That
meets all the requirements in one simple installation. I also have the MAM
supplied wing leading edge landing and taxi lights even though I don't
legally need them.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
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Jones, Michael
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:00 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: rotating beacon
Hi All
Was going through the many ref books trying to find lighting requirement for
kit planes in canada. vfr, ifr what ever
Can someone tell me where this might be. aip, transport web site, raa manual
??
Also, how come i dont see rotating beacons on anyones rebel, maybe there are
but dont recall, do strobes replace rotating beacons ? I seem to recall from
my pilot training (few years back now) that before starting any engine
beacon must be on ? Is this a rule ? Excuse me for saying a bad word, but
all cesnas seem to have them ?
mike#007
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SR70
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From: Mike Kimball [SMTP:mkimball@gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:38 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
I know the question being asked concerns Canada, but I thought others might
wonder the same thing about the US, plus the odds are that the Canadian
requirement is similar.
FAR 91.205 says that if the plane was made after March 11, 1996 you must
have either a red or white anticollision light that meets all sorts of
complicated requirements set forth in other regulations, such as candle
power and how many degrees the light can be seen around the plane. This
could be a strobe or a rotating beacon as long as it is bright enough and
can be seen from various directions around the aircraft. There is a nice
drawing describing this in the Aircraft Spruce catalog. This requirement is
for operations VFR during the DAY. Then, FAR 91.209 goes on to say that "No
person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light
system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights." Who writes this
stuff?! What they're saying is if they are installed you must turn them on
whenever you operate the aircraft. That is where the "ON before starting
the engine" rule came from. There is a caveat that says if the PIC thinks
it would be safer to not turn them on he doesn't have to. This allows you
to turn them off when you are IFR in the clouds and a bright flash every
second or so would make you continuously blind.
In the US, in addition to the anticollision light, all that is required for
night flight are "lighted position lights" (as opposed to the unlighted
kind). Once again, the FAR is saying that not only do you have to have them
but you also have to turn them on. Position lights consist of a red one on
the left wing pointing pretty much left and forward, green one on the right
wing pointing right and forward, and a white one pointing back.
Unless you are flying for hire (which you cannot do in a aircraft with an
experimental airworthiness certificate) you do not have to have a landing
light. There is no requirement for a taxi light.
Given all this, I am going with the wingtip mounted combo units that have
the strobes and position lights, including the rear facing white ones. That
meets all the requirements in one simple installation. I also have the MAM
supplied wing leading edge landing and taxi lights even though I don't
legally need them.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
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Jones, Michael
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:00 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: rotating beacon
Hi All
Was going through the many ref books trying to find lighting requirement for
kit planes in canada. vfr, ifr what ever
Can someone tell me where this might be. aip, transport web site, raa manual
??
Also, how come i dont see rotating beacons on anyones rebel, maybe there are
but dont recall, do strobes replace rotating beacons ? I seem to recall from
my pilot training (few years back now) that before starting any engine
beacon must be on ? Is this a rule ? Excuse me for saying a bad word, but
all cesnas seem to have them ?
mike#007
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Hi Rick,
I wondered about the same thing, but spent the $$ anyway. After installing the kit, I feel good about the price. The kit isn't made by MAM, but it's REALLY well made. Absolutely first class hardware, very nicely designed and goes in easily.
True, you could probably build a set yourself. However, if you consider, the time you'd spend, coupled with the cost of the parts, I'm not sure if you'd feel real good about the savings. You're not going to put together this quality for a hundred bucks.
My humble opinion.
Bill Delcambre
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I wondered about the same thing, but spent the $$ anyway. After installing the kit, I feel good about the price. The kit isn't made by MAM, but it's REALLY well made. Absolutely first class hardware, very nicely designed and goes in easily.
True, you could probably build a set yourself. However, if you consider, the time you'd spend, coupled with the cost of the parts, I'm not sure if you'd feel real good about the savings. You're not going to put together this quality for a hundred bucks.
My humble opinion.
Bill Delcambre
From: Rickhm at home <Rickhm@mindspring.com>
Date: 2003/03/13 Thu PM 08:44:11 CST
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
A touch off the subject, but do you think the wing tip kit from MAM is worth the $$$
Rick
SR70
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kimball [SMTP:mkimball@gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:38 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: rotating beacon
I know the question being asked concerns Canada, but I thought others might
wonder the same thing about the US, plus the odds are that the Canadian
requirement is similar.
FAR 91.205 says that if the plane was made after March 11, 1996 you must
have either a red or white anticollision light that meets all sorts of
complicated requirements set forth in other regulations, such as candle
power and how many degrees the light can be seen around the plane. This
could be a strobe or a rotating beacon as long as it is bright enough and
can be seen from various directions around the aircraft. There is a nice
drawing describing this in the Aircraft Spruce catalog. This requirement is
for operations VFR during the DAY. Then, FAR 91.209 goes on to say that "No
person may operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light
system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights." Who writes this
stuff?! What they're saying is if they are installed you must turn them on
whenever you operate the aircraft. That is where the "ON before starting
the engine" rule came from. There is a caveat that says if the PIC thinks
it would be safer to not turn them on he doesn't have to. This allows you
to turn them off when you are IFR in the clouds and a bright flash every
second or so would make you continuously blind.
In the US, in addition to the anticollision light, all that is required for
night flight are "lighted position lights" (as opposed to the unlighted
kind). Once again, the FAR is saying that not only do you have to have them
but you also have to turn them on. Position lights consist of a red one on
the left wing pointing pretty much left and forward, green one on the right
wing pointing right and forward, and a white one pointing back.
Unless you are flying for hire (which you cannot do in a aircraft with an
experimental airworthiness certificate) you do not have to have a landing
light. There is no requirement for a taxi light.
Given all this, I am going with the wingtip mounted combo units that have
the strobes and position lights, including the rear facing white ones. That
meets all the requirements in one simple installation. I also have the MAM
supplied wing leading edge landing and taxi lights even though I don't
legally need them.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Jones, Michael
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:00 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: rotating beacon
Hi All
Was going through the many ref books trying to find lighting requirement for
kit planes in canada. vfr, ifr what ever
Can someone tell me where this might be. aip, transport web site, raa manual
??
Also, how come i dont see rotating beacons on anyones rebel, maybe there are
but dont recall, do strobes replace rotating beacons ? I seem to recall from
my pilot training (few years back now) that before starting any engine
beacon must be on ? Is this a rule ? Excuse me for saying a bad word, but
all cesnas seem to have them ?
mike#007
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Well, after reading Mike's post, I assumed that I mis-understood Rick's question. I bought my strobes from A/C Spruce. I was speaking about the wingtip landing/taxi light kit only.
Heck, a 50/50 shot at understanding is about as good as I ever do!
Bill Delcambre
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Heck, a 50/50 shot at understanding is about as good as I ever do!
Bill Delcambre
Oops. I just re-read the email about the wingtip price from MAM and it
doesn't ask about wingtip strobes. Just says wingtip kit. There are only
two wingtip things on their website: strobes and landing/taxi light kits. I
guess there's a 50% chance that Rick was asking about the strobes.
Mike Kimball
SR #044
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I was asking about the landing light kit. Think I'll take the advice and build my own. I bought my strobes from A/C Spruce. Pretty complete kit and easy to install. My Dad gave me the set out of his plane, so I will be very visible! We had a mid-air over Denver recently and it made me think.... what's an extra strobe weigh anyway.....?
Rick SR70
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wingtip landing/taxi light kit only.
Heck, a 50/50 shot at understanding is about as good as I ever do!
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question. I bought my strobes from A/C Spruce. I was speaking about theWell, after reading Mike's post, I assumed that I mis-understood Rick's
wingtip landing/taxi light kit only.
Heck, a 50/50 shot at understanding is about as good as I ever do!
Bill Delcambre
onlyOops. I just re-read the email about the wingtip price from MAM and it
doesn't ask about wingtip strobes. Just says wingtip kit. There are
kits. Itwo wingtip things on their website: strobes and landing/taxi light
#044guess there's a 50% chance that Rick was asking about the strobes.
Mike Kimball
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