insurance

[Rhodes]

Mike
Does not surprise me as I don't believe they even write any new policies in
AK. They are still taking my money for now but I think I will check Falcon
also. I have another plane insured with Avemco in the lower 48 so maybe that
is why I am still with them.

Steve Rhodes

----- Original Message -----
From: <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 07:44
Subject: Re: Re: INSURANCE

I just called Avemco this morning, and they will no longer write any type

of

policy on Murphy kits... builders insurance, or standard coverage for a
completed kit. When I asked why I was told their policy had changed. I

would

imagine they are getting out of the homebuilt market. The representative

I

spoke with recommended Falcon insurance... a quick web search turned up an
address of http://www.falconinsurance.com

Mike
195SR

On 1/31/03 7:41 AM, RHODES5@GCI.NET wrote to MURPHY-REBEL:

-> Keeping track of your time and materials, parts increases the insured

value

-> of your project. Avemco has the details I am sure. I would assume they

will

-> adjust my premiums at some point - probably yearly.
->
-> Steve Rhodes
-> #173 Moose

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[LisaFly99]

In a message dated 1/31/03 11:33:03 AM Central Standard Time,
BReed@slcrail.com writes:

I spoke with Dawn @ Falcon (Vegas 702-648-1273) - She was really helpful - I
think she suggested at least 50 hours time in type (taildragger).

BRITT
I think (and I could be wrong). They want time in (type and like) meaning
similar horse power and performance. My J-3 sign off wasn't good enough for a
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[mike.davis]

Falcon told me they'd be glad to cover my aircraft once it was flying... but
they don't offer builders coverage in Alaska. They offer builders coverage in
most of the lower 48, but not Alaska!

Mike
195SR

On 1/31/03 4:40 PM, MURPHY-REBEL@DCSOL.COM wrote to MIKE DAVIS:

-> I spoke with Dawn @ Falcon (Vegas 702-648-1273) - She was really helpful - I
-> think she suggested at least 50 hours time in type (taildragger). Falcon is
-> insuring the SR2500 (nosewheel) that is hangered in Heber Utah.
->
-> Britt - Salt Lake City - 194SR




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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Gee Mike, you think they would make some money and take you for builders
insurance in Alaska, but not flight insurance after it's done!! I think that
would be more profitable for them vs the other way around!!

) Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:42 PM
Subject: RE: Re: INSURANCE

Falcon told me they'd be glad to cover my aircraft once it was flying...

but

they don't offer builders coverage in Alaska. They offer builders

coverage in

most of the lower 48, but not Alaska!

Mike
195SR

On 1/31/03 4:40 PM, MURPHY-REBEL@DCSOL.COM wrote to MIKE DAVIS:

-> I spoke with Dawn @ Falcon (Vegas 702-648-1273) - She was really

helpful - I

-> think she suggested at least 50 hours time in type (taildragger).

Falcon is

-> insuring the SR2500 (nosewheel) that is hangered in Heber Utah.
->
-> Britt - Salt Lake City - 194SR

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[Mike Davis]

Makes sense to me... rep I spoke with told me it wasn't worth their time for
the premiums they get. When I asked why it was worth their time in the
lower 48, since I assume the premiums would be comparable, he didn't have an
answer.

Oh well, my home owners policy allows all kind of specialty add ons, maybe I
can get them to cover this as well.

Mike

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Gee Mike, you think they would make some money and take you for builders
insurance in Alaska, but not flight insurance after it's done!! I think

that

would be more profitable for them vs the other way around!!

) Wayne

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[Mike Davis]

Well, just got the information from the EAA Aircraft insurance Plan... they
use Falcon. So looks like I'm on my own!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:53 PM
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Gee Mike, you think they would make some money and take you for builders
insurance in Alaska, but not flight insurance after it's done!! I think

that

would be more profitable for them vs the other way around!!

) Wayne

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[Legeorgen]

Falcon insured my Rebel with full coverage from First flight for $1350.00 US.
I have 480 hours of time in type (tail wheel) so someone with less time in
type my pay more. Avemco dumped my Kitfox after 2 years. Go figure?

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Falcon insured my Rebel with full coverage from First flight for $1350.00 US.
I have 480 hours of time in type (tail wheel) so someone with less time in
type my pay more. Avemco dumped my Kitfox after 2 years. Go figure?

Bruce 357R


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[Terry McClary]

Mike,

If you are an EAA member I think I would call them and see if they will
represent your cause with Falcon. I thought I read something a while
back where a provision of EAA going to a company was that they would
insure all members.

Terry


On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:26:32 -0900 "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
writes:

Well, just got the information from the EAA Aircraft insurance
Plan... they
use Falcon. So looks like I'm on my own!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Re: INSURANCE

Gee Mike, you think they would make some money and take you for

builders

insurance in Alaska, but not flight insurance after it's done!! I

think
that

would be more profitable for them vs the other way around!!

) Wayne

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[Jim Cole]

Does anyone (in Canada) have a good Insurance company that will cover
your grass strip and hanger on a farm?
Wayne how do you treat your property. I am just south of Barrie. Contact
me off line if you wish.

Thanks
Jim
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[Bill Delcambre]

Wow! Is this message timeley? I've been on the phone, for two days, trying
to find coverage for some acreage that I'm buying. Having very little luck,
by the way. Anyone know of companies in the U.S. that do the same, I'd like
to know that, too!

Bill Delcambre
Lafayette LA
----- Original Message -----
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Does anyone (in Canada) have a good Insurance company that will cover
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Wayne how do you treat your property. I am just south of Barrie. Contact
me off line if you wish.

Thanks
Jim
083 SR/Moose

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Jim I've never really bothered to track down an insurer that would cover an
airfield. I advertise in both main Canadian publications and it clearly
states "PPR" for our field, as it also does in the flying farmers FS if it
ever got updated in the last 8 years. If you land and screw up I will be
adamant that you didn't call ahead, even if you had been here a thousand
times before!!!!

My hanger is covered under my insurance policy on the entire property, as it
was listed very clearly as an "Aircraft Hanger" on the original application
and nobody questioned it for coverage as an outbuilding (of course the
airplane and anything associated aren't covered but that's what hull
insurance is for if you so chose). I have a 1.2 million dollar blanket
policy for replacement value of principal building, out buildings, contents
and loss of use and 5 million in liability coverage for $1700/yr. I had to
go this route as the usual policy's spell out an allowance of only 10% of
the value of your principal residence for outbuildings and that will not
cover a 5000sq ft hanger and 1800sqft shops value. With the blanket policy
everything could be "leveled" and all can be rebuilt with the blanket
amount. The policy even spells out that my "front lawn" is covered for 5% of
the principal dwelling replacement cost if the loss is by fire.
lightning..... IMPACT BY AIRCRAFT..... , spacecraft or land vehicle..etc. So
if you really screw up in my yard I should be able to get the "lawn"
re-graded and seeded for free (less my $500 deductible).

I also have a 10 million dollar blanket liability policy for myself covering
ANY airplane that I fly and hull insurance on my personal airplane. IF the
plane gets crushed in the hanger the hull policy will cover it and the house
policy will cover the hanger. Hope I never have to try them on for size on
either account!!

The only place that I might trouble and needed to jump though hoops is my
workshop and the fight to say it's just a "hobby"! If it's a business it's
not covered according to the policy fine print and that is why my
corporation is registered in the towns industrial park!

Wayne



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Does anyone (in Canada) have a good Insurance company that will cover
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Wayne how do you treat your property. I am just south of Barrie. Contact
me off line if you wish.

Thanks
Jim
083 SR/Moose

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Bill, my policy also has coverage for other properties I own. The 80 acres
next door is covered for the same $5million in liability coverage for $13
extra on the house policy!

Just add "additional properties - recreational land" to your house policy to
get liabilty coverage on it. Anyone that owns vacant land should have this
or you are going to be sued if a hunter shots his partner while they are
trespassing on your property!

Wayne

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Wow! Is this message timeley? I've been on the phone, for two days,

trying

to find coverage for some acreage that I'm buying. Having very little

luck,

by the way. Anyone know of companies in the U.S. that do the same, I'd

like

to know that, too!

Bill Delcambre
Lafayette LA
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Wayne how do you treat your property. I am just south of Barrie. Contact
me off line if you wish.

Thanks
Jim
083 SR/Moose

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[Jim Cole]

Thanks Wayne.

That pretty well covers what I have had in the past.(not quite as much)

I just happen to cut the grass between the Soy Beans and have hull insurance on
my personal aircraft.
Anyone using my private space does so at their Own Risk.
I've heard that there might be some Rebel Builders arriving for a visit sometime
in June?

Jim
083 SR/Moose

"Wayne G. O'Shea" wrote:

Jim I've never really bothered to track down an insurer that would cover an
airfield. I advertise in both main Canadian publications and it clearly
states "PPR" for our field, as it also does in the flying farmers FS if it
ever got updated in the last 8 years. If you land and screw up I will be
adamant that you didn't call ahead, even if you had been here a thousand
times before!!!!

My hanger is covered under my insurance policy on the entire property, as it
was listed very clearly as an "Aircraft Hanger" on the original application
and nobody questioned it for coverage as an outbuilding (of course the
airplane and anything associated aren't covered but that's what hull
insurance is for if you so chose). I have a 1.2 million dollar blanket
policy for replacement value of principal building, out buildings, contents
and loss of use and 5 million in liability coverage for $1700/yr. I had to
go this route as the usual policy's spell out an allowance of only 10% of
the value of your principal residence for outbuildings and that will not
cover a 5000sq ft hanger and 1800sqft shops value. With the blanket policy
everything could be "leveled" and all can be rebuilt with the blanket
amount. The policy even spells out that my "front lawn" is covered for 5% of
the principal dwelling replacement cost if the loss is by fire.
lightning..... IMPACT BY AIRCRAFT..... , spacecraft or land vehicle..etc. So
if you really screw up in my yard I should be able to get the "lawn"
re-graded and seeded for free (less my $500 deductible).

I also have a 10 million dollar blanket liability policy for myself covering
ANY airplane that I fly and hull insurance on my personal airplane. IF the
plane gets crushed in the hanger the hull policy will cover it and the house
policy will cover the hanger. Hope I never have to try them on for size on
either account!!

The only place that I might trouble and needed to jump though hoops is my
workshop and the fight to say it's just a "hobby"! If it's a business it's
not covered according to the policy fine print and that is why my
corporation is registered in the towns industrial park!

Wayne

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[Steve Halvorsen]

Hi everyone:

NEED HELP! ! ! !

I have been a lurker of the list for several months as we have a MOOSE (SR
213) quick build on order since last Sept. and it is to be shipped within
the next month or so, I hope. Haven't had much to offer the list as we have
not started to build it yet. When that starts I'm sure we'll have LOTS of
questions.

You guys and gals have a lot of good answers to the questions asked and this
list has a wealth of knowledge to be offered to anyone building a MURPHY
kit. Keep up the good work.

Now for my question:

Is there anyone that has built a moose with the M-14 engine installed flying
other than MAM's?
In talking to our insurance broker, he cannot find ANY company that will
write a policy for this airplane. He deals with ALL eight companies that
cover aircraft and none will write a policy.
The only thing they will write (maybe) is liability coverage, no hull
coverage. EAA only deals with six of the eight companies in the market.

Need to find out if anyone has coverage on this style airplane and who the
insurance company is so that we can contact them. Or if anyone is in the
process of building one in this configuration and has insurance lined up.
It would be a real shame to put all the work into building such a great
plane and not be able to get coverage on it.

I realize that it will be awhile before the plane will fly but, we want to
get coverage for at least the kit for now just in case.

Thanks in advance for any help sent my way:

Steve H.
MOOSE SR 213
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