Seats, Older Style

Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:18 pm

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Hi Folks:

I have the old style seats and the MAM reinforcement kit which consists =
of two lengths of steel tubing and no instructions. Do I bird mouth the =
tubing at one end and weld it to the seatback and weld the other end to =
the existing brackets on the bottom end of the seat backs? Would I be =
better off buying the new seats ? How are the modified old style seats =
holding up?

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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:18 pm

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Hi Lonnie -

Didn't know there even WAS a fix kit for the old seats !! You might
be better off to buy the new ones, and sell the old ones to a custom
homebulder in your chapter ....

The new seats are much stronger (better triangulation), AND have
a higher back - something most folks seem to want.

Another thought or 2 -

I've always had trouble with the idea of drilling all those rivet
holes in the seat bottom & sides - given that the factory don't want
you to drill a SINGLE hole in the landing gear tubes, because it weakens
them !
The fellow up here who runs an upholstery shop, and has done
several Rebels, prefers to sew on a heavy cloth web between the sides,
and across the bottom. His arguement is that this makes a more comfortable
seat shape, with some flex. He also uses at least 2 layers of different
density foam on the bottom - about 3" of high density on the bottom,
then 2" of softer stuff, sculptured up at the sides for support.
For REAL comfort (about $80/seat extra), he adds a 1" (or more) layer of
Temperfoam on top - this is WORTH IT !! (COMFOR foam is similar)
You can make the seat bottoms at least 6 inches deep !! This is very
helpful, especially getting in and out, as, if the seat is too thin,
when you slide out, the seat belt attachment bracket will raise your
voice several octaves !! Also, the higher seat greatly improves
visibility on the ground - especially for the 'vertically challenged'
better half ... (;-) <grin, duck, & roll>
Actually, we had an extra set of matching cushions made up -
one bottom & one back, with velcro holding them together, so we could
add a little extra where needed.... This can double as the seat
cushions on the third seat, as well.

Most everybody has used Naugahyde on the sides, and cloth in
the center of the seats - this gives durability, and coolness in the
right locations.

If you dig through the archive file for this list, I wrote a LONG
piece last year on how to make your own seats - or what to tell the
upholstery shop ...

Know a GREAT upholstery place in Zanesville, Ohio - run by
Paul Workman, at (704) 452-1636 . Has won several awards at OSH,
yet down-to-earth & reasonable !!

Good luck !

.....bobp

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At 08:57 PM 2/8/99 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Folks:

I have the old style seats and the MAM reinforcement kit which consists of

two lengths of steel tubing and no instructions. Do I bird mouth the tubing
at one end and weld it to the seatback and weld the other end to the
existing brackets on the bottom end of the seat backs? Would I be better
off buying the new seats ? How are the modified old style seats holding up?

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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I have the old style seats and the MAM
reinforcement kit which consists of two lengths of steel tubing and no
instructions.  Do I bird mouth the tubing at one end and weld it to

the

seatback and weld the other end to the existing brackets on the bottom end

of

the seat backs?  Would I be better off buying the new seats ? 

How are

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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:18 pm

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Lonnie
You need bulletin 070595RB which includes some photos of the new brackets.
The
existing brackets are removed. Have heard of one case where even the
modified
seat back cracked though. I might try some additional reinforcing when I get
to
this point. There is also mention of attaching the aluminum sheets to the
seat
frame on the back/outside instead of the front side. Supposed to be
stronger
although I don't understand why.
cheers
Ken

Lonnie Benson wrote:
Hi Folks:
I have the old style seats and the MAM reinforcement kit which consists of

two

lengths of steel tubing and no instructions. Do I bird mouth the tubing

at

one end and weld it to the seatback and weld the other end to the existing
brackets on the bottom end of the seat backs? Would I be better off

buying

the new seats ? How are the modified old style seats holding up?

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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:18 pm

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Ken
T hanks for the reply to my question. I found a copy of bulletin 070595RB
and after looking at it closely decided that Photo #1 was indeed the old
seat back. However, Photo #2 is the new square tube seat back and not a
modified old round tube seat back, as I had originally thought. I called
MAM and was told that I could weld the steel tubes they sent me to the
existing brackets. After much thought I decided to order two of the new
stronger seat backs.

In reference to your last sentence, have you ever tried to break a piece of
green wood such as a small branch? If you have, you probably noticed that
it broke (pulled apart) at the outer edge of the bend. The outer edge is
under tension ( being pulled apart) while the inner edge is under
compression (being pushed together). If you drilled holes in the opposite
sides of the branch and filled the holes with wooden plugs, you would find
that the branch would still break on the outer edge of the bend, where the
wood fibers around the holes are being pulled apart. The wooden plugs in
the outer holes would not add strength to the wood. However, the plugs in
the holes on the inner edges of the bend would add strength because the
fibers around those holes are being compressed. Replace the branch with a
steel tube and you have the same effect. I hope this makes some sense.

Thanks again for your help.

Lonnie

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Subject: Re: Seats, Older Style

Lonnie
You need bulletin 070595RB which includes some photos of the new brackets.

The

existing brackets are removed. Have heard of one case where even the

modified

seat back cracked though. I might try some additional reinforcing when I

get to

this point. There is also mention of attaching the aluminum sheets to the

seat

frame on the back/outside instead of the front side. Supposed to be

stronger

although I don't understand why.
cheers
Ken

Lonnie Benson wrote:
Hi Folks:
I have the old style seats and the MAM reinforcement kit which consists

of two

lengths of steel tubing and no instructions. Do I bird mouth the tubing

at

one end and weld it to the seatback and weld the other end to the

existing

brackets on the bottom end of the seat backs? Would I be better off

buying

the new seats ? How are the modified old style seats holding up?