Moose Tailwheel

[Bill Delcambre]

Hi fellas! Hope all, who celebrate such, had a great Thanksgiving.

I'm about to attach my tailwheel assy. and recall that there have been some issues with the MAM unit. Am I remembering correctly that the demo plane is not using the tailwheel that came with our kits? Does anyone know the nature of the problems? I've been looking at the XP Mods tailwheels. ( http://www.xpmods.com/compare.htm ) It occurs to me that those units look real rugged and would make a heck of a statement on a Moose. Anyone out there have experience with this tailwheel?

I hate to start making mods, before the darned thing is built, but I'd rather make a change before there is damage to repair. My Moose will likely never see Alaska style environment, in terms of rough field use, but not all my landings are perfect (don't say it, Jason..) and I'd like to be confident in the equipment. If I'm wrong about percieved troubles, I'll be even happier.

Thanks in advance for any light on this subject.

Bill Delcambre
#172 FB

[Al & Deb Paxhia]

I have not had a problem with the MAM tailwheel. I had to change the mount hole to the lowest hole on the mounting bracket. I think I remember the instructions saying the second hole from the top. You want the swivel part level when the airplane is loaded.
Al
Moose, N526AP

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From: Bill Delcambre (bdelcambre@cox-internet.com)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 6:52 AM
Subject: Moose Tailwheel


Hi fellas! Hope all, who celebrate such, had a great Thanksgiving.

I'm about to attach my tailwheel assy. and recall that there have been some issues with the MAM unit. Am I remembering correctly that the demo plane is not using the tailwheel that came with our kits? Does anyone know the nature of the problems? I've been looking at the XP Mods tailwheels. ( http://www.xpmods.com/compare.htm ) It occurs to me that those units look real rugged and would make a heck of a statement on a Moose. Anyone out there have experience with this tailwheel?

I hate to start making mods, before the darned thing is built, but I'd rather make a change before there is damage to repair. My Moose will likely never see Alaska style environment, in terms of rough field use, but not all my landings are perfect (don't say it, Jason..) and I'd like to be confident in the equipment. If I'm wrong about percieved troubles, I'll be even happier.

Thanks in advance for any light on this subject.

Bill Delcambre
#172 FB

[Bill Delcambre]

Thanks for the info, Al. I'd surely prefer to use the supplied part, instead of buy$$ing something else and re-inventing the system.

Bill

[Rhodes]

I had a 14" XP tailwheel on my 185 which was one of the first ones XP made in the late 80's. It is a great tailwheel for the 185 but only with 29" tires as it otherwise inhibits the angle of attack on the ground. It also keeps the stab off the ground more and out of the rocks thrown by the main wheels. Downfalls are it is heavy, takes a lot of brake to get the tail to swing, and shimmies on pavement without a tailwheel lock - so swing the tail by hand when necessary and hold the tail up when landing on pavement.

The Moose stab is plenty high off the ground but the tailcone is weak - no doubt. The demo had cracks in the attachment bulkhead and doublers were added. I am saving that area to see what MAM comes up with but have plans if they do not.
They have a Elite nosewheel on the tail of the demo I believe.

The stock little tailwheel is probably fine for airport only but you should then stick with small main tires also.
Daryl told me he would like a fatter tailwheel than the Elite setup rather than taller - I agree and hope he makes one as it is easy for them to do. The Gar-Aero tailwheel is a double wide fat tire Scott 3400 but has its drawbacks as well.

I guess it depends what you plan to use the plane for.

Steve Rhodes
#173 FB

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From: Bill Delcambre (bdelcambre@cox-internet.com)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 05:52
Subject: Moose Tailwheel


Hi fellas! Hope all, who celebrate such, had a great Thanksgiving.

I'm about to attach my tailwheel assy. and recall that there have been some issues with the MAM unit. Am I remembering correctly that the demo plane is not using the tailwheel that came with our kits? Does anyone know the nature of the problems? I've been looking at the XP Mods tailwheels. ( http://www.xpmods.com/compare.htm ) It occurs to me that those units look real rugged and would make a heck of a statement on a Moose. Anyone out there have experience with this tailwheel?

I hate to start making mods, before the darned thing is built, but I'd rather make a change before there is damage to repair. My Moose will likely never see Alaska style environment, in terms of rough field use, but not all my landings are perfect (don't say it, Jason..) and I'd like to be confident in the equipment. If I'm wrong about percieved troubles, I'll be even happier.

Thanks in advance for any light on this subject.

Bill Delcambre
#172 FB

[Bill Delcambre]

Thanks guys. Lots of info, here. Really great to be able to tap into the wealth of experience with this group.

Bill Delcambre

----- Original Message -----
From: Rhodes (RHODES5@GCI.NET)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Moose Tailwheel


I had a 14" XP tailwheel on my 185 which was one of the first ones XP made in the late 80's. It is ..........

[Bob Patterson]

Hi Steve !

You're right - you have to figure out what use you are going
to put the airplane through !

I had no problems with handling with the small standard tailwheel
on pavement or grass strips - in fact, the grass was better, as the
only problem I saw was that the tire wore very quickly with heavy loads,
on pavement. (Seemed like about half the tread was gone over one
summer...) The modified Elite nosewheel on the prototype seems
to be a good solution for most flying - just remember to carry a
spare tube, as they can be hard to find.

As for cracks and doublers on the prototype, these may not
be significant. Remember, this airplane has had 2 completely different
engine setups, a major airframe upgrade, and several years of pretty
hard flying ! (And some damage occured BEFORE it flew, being trucked
to display at airshows ...) The benefits of all that R & D flying
are being passed on to builders already.

.....bobp

---------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------
At 07:20 AM 12/2/02 -0900, you wrote:

I had a 14" XP tailwheel on my 185 which was one of the first ones XP made

in the late 80's. It is a great tailwheel for the 185 but only with 29"
tires as it otherwise inhibits the angle of attack on the ground. It also
keeps the stab off the ground more and out of the rocks thrown by the main
wheels. Downfalls are it is heavy, takes a lot of brake to get the tail to
swing, and shimmies on pavement without a tailwheel lock - so swing the tail
by hand when necessary and hold the tail up when landing on pavement.

The Moose stab is plenty high off the ground but the tailcone is weak - no

doubt. The demo had cracks in the attachment bulkhead and doublers were
added. I am saving that area to see what MAM comes up with but have plans if
they do not.

They have a Elite nosewheel on the tail of the demo I believe.

The stock little tailwheel is probably fine for airport only but you should

then stick with small main tires also.

Daryl told me he would like a fatter tailwheel than the Elite setup rather

than taller - I agree and hope he makes one as it is easy for them to do.
The Gar-Aero tailwheel is a double wide fat tire Scott 3400 but has its
drawbacks as well.

I guess it depends what you plan to use the plane for.

Steve Rhodes
#173 FB

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Delcambre
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 05:52
Subject: Moose Tailwheel


Hi fellas! Hope all, who celebrate such, had a great Thanksgiving.

I'm about to attach my tailwheel assy. and recall that there have been

some issues with the MAM unit. Am I remembering correctly that the demo
plane is not using the tailwheel that came with our kits? Does anyone know
the nature of the problems? I've been looking at the XP Mods tailwheels. (
http://www.xpmods.com/compare.htm ) It occurs to me that those units look
real rugged and would make a heck of a statement on a Moose. Anyone out
there have experience with this tailwheel?

I hate to start making mods, before the darned thing is built, but I'd

rather make a change before there is damage to repair. My Moose will likely
never see Alaska style environment, in terms of rough field use, but not all
my landings are perfect (don't say it, Jason..) and I'd like to be confident
in the equipment. If I'm wrong about percieved troubles, I'll be even happier.

Thanks in advance for any light on this subject.

Bill Delcambre
#172 FB
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I had a 14" XP tailwheel on my 185 which was

one of

the first ones XP made in the late 80's. It is a great tailwheel for the

185 but

only with 29" tires as it otherwise inhibits the angle of attack on the

ground.

It also keeps the stab off the ground more and out of the rocks thrown by the
main wheels. Downfalls are it is heavy, takes a lot of brake to get the

tail to

swing, and shimmies on pavement without a tailwheel lock - so swing the

tail by

hand when necessary and hold the tail up when landing on pavement.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Moose stab is plenty high off the ground but
the tailcone is weak - no doubt. The demo had cracks in the attachment

bulkhead

and doublers were added. I am saving that area to see what MAM comes up

with but

have plans if they do not. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They have a Elite nosewheel on the tail of the

demo

I believe.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The stock little tailwheel is probably fine for
airport only but you should then stick with small main tires also.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Daryl told me he would like a fatter tailwheel

than

the Elite setup rather than taller - I agree and hope he makes one as it is

easy

for them to do. The Gar-Aero tailwheel is a double wide fat tire Scott 3400

but

has its drawbacks as well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I guess it depends what you plan to use the plane
for.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve Rhodes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>#173 FB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>

<A title=bdelcambre@cox-internet.com
href="mailto:bdelcambre@cox-internet.com">Bill Delcambre</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 29, 2002
05:52</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Moose Tailwheel</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi fellas!&nbsp; Hope all, who celebrate such,
&nbsp;had a great Thanksgiving.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm about to attach my tailwheel assy. and

recall

that there have been some issues with the MAM unit.&nbsp; Am I remembering
correctly that the demo plane is not using the tailwheel that came with our
kits?&nbsp; Does anyone know the nature of the problems?&nbsp; I've been
looking at the XP Mods tailwheels. (&nbsp; <A

href="http://www.xpmods.com/compare.htm">http ... ompare.htm</
A>&nbsp;

)&nbsp; It occurs to me that those units look real rugged and would make a
heck of a statement on a Moose.&nbsp; Anyone out there have experience with
this tailwheel?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hate to start making mods, before the darned
thing is built, but I'd rather make a change before there is damage to
repair.&nbsp; My Moose will likely never see Alaska style environment, in
terms of rough field use, but not all my landings are perfect (don't say it,
Jason..) and&nbsp;I'd like to be confident in the equipment.&nbsp; If I'm
wrong about percieved troubles, I'll be even happier.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks in advance for any light on this
subject.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill Delcambre</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>#172 FB</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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[Rhodes]

If 800 hours is several years of pretty hard flying I guess I'm in trouble
for the long term. The tailcone on the demo is identical to the fast-build.
I saw it and the cracked bulkhead when it was apart. They all admit it is a
weak point and it has not been dragged through the rocks yet.
Cessna started with 7/8" then 15/16 then 1" and finally 1 1/8" stingers on
the 180/185. Most of the 7/8 broke right upstream of the wheel long ago and
have been replaced with 1" from Cessna or XP. All of these stingers (or
springs) are tapered so are stronger and thicker midpoint than at the end
where the wheel attaches. MAM's is 1" full length and is only attached at
the forward bulkhead - Cessna at the midpoint with 2 bolts in a saddle. Keep
in mind the Moose is a slightly heavier plane with higher gross weight and
load capabilities.
Somebody mentioned harmonic vibration at the stab - the blades on the demo
prop have been 2 degrees off until recently so 300 hours with out of sync
blades. Robin says it is very smooth down to low rpm now>
I would not own a stock 180, 185, 206, Super Cub or Beaver as none were
designed for off airport abuse. Nor did I expect Daryl to design the Moose
just for me.
You go ahead and leave your plane factory stock Bobp.

Steve Rhodes


Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 01:02
Subject: Re: Moose Tailwheel

Hi Steve !

You're right - you have to figure out what use you are going
to put the airplane through !

I had no problems with handling with the small standard tailwheel
on pavement or grass strips - in fact, the grass was better, as the
only problem I saw was that the tire wore very quickly with heavy loads,
on pavement. (Seemed like about half the tread was gone over one
summer...) The modified Elite nosewheel on the prototype seems
to be a good solution for most flying - just remember to carry a
spare tube, as they can be hard to find.

As for cracks and doublers on the prototype, these may not
be significant. Remember, this airplane has had 2 completely different
engine setups, a major airframe upgrade, and several years of pretty
hard flying ! (And some damage occured BEFORE it flew, being trucked
to display at airshows ...) The benefits of all that R & D flying
are being passed on to builders already.

.....bobp

---------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------
At 07:20 AM 12/2/02 -0900, you wrote:

I had a 14" XP tailwheel on my 185 which was one of the first ones XP

made

in the late 80's. It is a great tailwheel for the 185 but only with 29"
tires as it otherwise inhibits the angle of attack on the ground. It also
keeps the stab off the ground more and out of the rocks thrown by the main
wheels. Downfalls are it is heavy, takes a lot of brake to get the tail to
swing, and shimmies on pavement without a tailwheel lock - so swing the

tail

by hand when necessary and hold the tail up when landing on pavement.

The Moose stab is plenty high off the ground but the tailcone is weak -

no

doubt. The demo had cracks in the attachment bulkhead and doublers were
added. I am saving that area to see what MAM comes up with but have plans

if

they do not.

They have a Elite nosewheel on the tail of the demo I believe.

The stock little tailwheel is probably fine for airport only but you

should

then stick with small main tires also.

Daryl told me he would like a fatter tailwheel than the Elite setup

rather

than taller - I agree and hope he makes one as it is easy for them to do.
The Gar-Aero tailwheel is a double wide fat tire Scott 3400 but has its
drawbacks as well.

I guess it depends what you plan to use the plane for.

Steve Rhodes
#173 FB

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Delcambre
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 05:52
Subject: Moose Tailwheel


Hi fellas! Hope all, who celebrate such, had a great Thanksgiving.

I'm about to attach my tailwheel assy. and recall that there have been

some issues with the MAM unit. Am I remembering correctly that the demo
plane is not using the tailwheel that came with our kits? Does anyone

know

the nature of the problems? I've been looking at the XP Mods tailwheels.

(

http://www.xpmods.com/compare.htm ) It occurs to me that those units

look

real rugged and would make a heck of a statement on a Moose. Anyone out
there have experience with this tailwheel?

I hate to start making mods, before the darned thing is built, but I'd

rather make a change before there is damage to repair. My Moose will

likely

never see Alaska style environment, in terms of rough field use, but not

all

my landings are perfect (don't say it, Jason..) and I'd like to be

confident

in the equipment. If I'm wrong about percieved troubles, I'll be even

happier.

Thanks in advance for any light on this subject.

Bill Delcambre
#172 FB
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I had a 14" XP tailwheel on my 185 which was

one of

the first ones XP made in the late 80's. It is a great tailwheel for the

185 but

only with 29" tires as it otherwise inhibits the angle of attack on the

ground.

It also keeps the stab off the ground more and out of the rocks thrown by

the

main wheels. Downfalls are it is heavy, takes a lot of brake to get the

tail to

swing, and shimmies on pavement without a tailwheel lock - so swing the

tail by

hand when necessary and hold the tail up when landing on

pavement.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Moose stab is plenty high off the ground

but

the tailcone is weak - no doubt. The demo had cracks in the attachment

bulkhead

and doublers were added. I am saving that area to see what MAM comes up

with but

have plans if they do not. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They have a Elite nosewheel on the tail of

the

demo

I believe.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The stock little tailwheel is probably fine

for

airport only but you should then stick with small main tires

also.</FONT></DIV>

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Daryl told me he would like a fatter

tailwheel

than

the Elite setup rather than taller - I agree and hope he makes one as it

is

easy

for them to do. The Gar-Aero tailwheel is a double wide fat tire Scott

3400

but

has its drawbacks as well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I guess it depends what you plan to use the

plane

for.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve Rhodes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>#173 FB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=bdelcambre@cox-internet.com
href="mailto:bdelcambre@cox-internet.com">Bill Delcambre</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A

title=murphy-rebel@dcsol.com

href="mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com">murphy-rebel@dcsol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 29, 2002
05:52</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Moose Tailwheel</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi fellas!&nbsp; Hope all, who celebrate

such,

&nbsp;had a great Thanksgiving.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm about to attach my tailwheel assy. and

recall

that there have been some issues with the MAM unit.&nbsp; Am I

remembering

correctly that the demo plane is not using the tailwheel that came with

our

kits?&nbsp; Does anyone know the nature of the problems?&nbsp; I've

been

looking at the XP Mods tailwheels. (&nbsp; <A

href="http://www.xpmods.com/compare.htm">http ... ompare.htm</

A>&nbsp;

)&nbsp; It occurs to me that those units look real rugged and would

make a

heck of a statement on a Moose.&nbsp; Anyone out there have experience

with

this tailwheel?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hate to start making mods, before the

darned

thing is built, but I'd rather make a change before there is damage to
repair.&nbsp; My Moose will likely never see Alaska style environment,

in

terms of rough field use, but not all my landings are perfect (don't

say it,

Jason..) and&nbsp;I'd like to be confident in the equipment.&nbsp; If

I'm

wrong about percieved troubles, I'll be even happier.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks in advance for any light on this
subject.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill Delcambre</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>#172

FB</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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[Drew Dalgleish]

At 04:55 PM 22/10/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Hello Gentlemen (Ladies?): I'm new in this list; I've built a Moose and I've
flown 298 hours till today; It's a great aircraft, tricky to land and the
factory support stinks, like they never cared what happens after they sold
the aircraft kit, no response to e.mails and worse even, phone calls. The
tail wheel's mechanism is weak and I cannot get a decent response from
Chilliwack for a set of parts. I am thinking about adapting a Scott 3400
which I assume will be strong enough for the size of this aircraft. I fly in
South America, mainly Bolivia, Argentina and Brazil. Any comments? Regards,
Eduardo

Hello Eduardo Welcome to the list. I hope you stick around and share your
expiriences building and flying in south America. I think the only day
you'll regret having a scott tailwheel is the day you have to pay for it.
They're pricy but worth it. Another choice might be a Matco wheel. I saw
some large heavy duty ones fron them at Oshkosh this year.
Drew



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