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Fred,

I don't recall seeing any factory recommendation on trim tab travel. In
flight, a little bit of change has a big effect. I could measure my max up
and down travel if you want me to.... As I recall, I simply positioned the
servo in its neutral position then sized the actuator arm such that the tab
was aligned with the elevator at that position. Haven't found any
situation
yet where I think I've run out of trim.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Fred
Messinger (fredm)
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:42 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose: Elevator trim (crush tube)...was: Ray
Allen Servo

Thanks for all there great feedback on this topic, guys. I mounted the
servo/tube last night.

I measured the maximum down (relative to the elevator) angle that the trim
woud travel without the tube installed. It was only 13 degrees. And the
reason for that is the acute angle at the piano hinge between the wide face
of the trim and the face of the spar begin to bind on one end. I checked
whether or not the trailing edge of the trim is flush with the trailing
edge
of the elevator and they are off by about 3/32.

How do I find out what the factory recommends?

I did search the web site and archive for this and did not fine anything
related to Mooses.

Thanks again!

Fred



On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@gmail.com> wrote:

Mounting method is what the manual says <grin>. Nope, the tube is there

to

stiffen the threaded rod, which bends all by itself under load. I know,

I

had one bend pretty bad before I put on the tube. Now, with the tube,

never

have a problem. Oh, by the way, I never put proseal in there--just slid
the
tube on. Maybe water will corrode the rod someday, but that's another
problem...

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
snowyrvr@mtaonline.net
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 7:34 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose: Elevator trim (crush tube)...was:

Ray

Allen Servo

Man, Ted, that mounting method really sounds hoaky. (yes, that's a word)
I'm guessing the tube's purpose is to prevent exterior bumps from bending
the little rod? Doesn't seem like it'd do much as a stiffener applied

ike

that. If I remember, this same El-0032 is in the rebel parts as well; I
just haven't seen a reference to it in the manual...yet. CW

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Ted Waltman tedwaltman@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:12:08 -0600
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose: Elevator trim (crush tube)...was: Ray
Allen Servo



Part # is "Crush Tube" listed as EL--0032 in the manual. I thought it

was

per a service bulletin, but none is shown on the website. The issue is
that
the trim tab actuator arm is simply a 1/4-28 threaded rod. That rod will
bend under moderate force. Hence, once one has the rod cut to proper
length
and tested for successful full up/down trim travel, one is to spread
proseal
on the threaded rod then slide the crush tube over it. The crush tube,
therefore, is simply an aluminum sleeve (pipe, per se).

Hope this helps and makes sense,

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Hans

Kuck
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:58 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose: Ray Allen Servo

TED, could you please mail me a copy of the service bulletin regarding

the

Ray Allen Servo. I was not aware that there was such a S.B. to
hansk3d@gmail.com
cheers
Hans

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@gmail.com>

wrote:

Fred,

AFAIK, every Moose owner uses this combination servo/actuator arm. Put

the

sleeve on as per the service bulletin (get a sleeve at your local

hardware

store if you don't have one already).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Fred

Messinger (fredm)
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:45 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Firewell caulk

Hi Guys,

I'm currently installing the elevator trim tab servo motor on my moose
quick
build.. The one MAM shipped is manufactured by The Ray Allen Company.

Everything (motor casing, clevis forks) is made out of a hard plastic
material. The push rod itself is a threaded metal rod, though.

My questions: Is anyone else using this set up? If not, which system

are

you using?

I confess, I'm a little concerned about those flimsy little clevis

forks

and
the plastic drive pin....especially in cold weather.


Thanks,

Fred




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Mounting method is what the manual says <grin>. Nope, the tube is there

stiffen the threaded rod, which bends all by itself under load. I know, I
had one bend pretty bad before I put on the tube. Now, with the tube,

have a problem. Oh, by the way, I never put proseal in there--just slid
the
tube on. Maybe water will corrode the rod someday, but that's another
problem...

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
snowyrvr@mtaonline.net
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 7:34 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose: Elevator trim (crush tube)...was: Ray
Allen Servo

Man, Ted, that mounting method really sounds hoaky. (yes, that's a word)
I'm guessing the tube's purpose is to prevent exterior bumps from bending
the little rod? Doesn't seem like it'd do much as a stiffener applied ike
that. If I remember, this same El-0032 is in the rebel parts as well; I
just haven't seen a reference to it in the manual...yet. CW

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Ted Waltman tedwaltman@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:12:08 -0600
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose: Elevator trim (crush tube)...was: Ray
Allen Servo



Part # is "Crush Tube" listed as EL--0032 in the manual. I thought it was
per a service bulletin, but none is shown on the website. The issue is
that
the trim tab actuator arm is simply a 1/4-28 threaded rod. That rod will
bend under moderate force. Hence, once one has the rod cut to proper
length
and tested for successful full up/down trim travel, one is to spread
proseal
on the threaded rod then slide the crush tube over it. The crush tube,
therefore, is simply an aluminum sleeve (pipe, per se).

Hope this helps and makes sense,

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Hans
Kuck
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:58 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose: Ray Allen Servo

TED, could you please mail me a copy of the service bulletin regarding the
Ray Allen Servo. I was not aware that there was such a S.B. to
hansk3d@gmail.com
cheers
Hans

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@gmail.com> wrote:

Fred,

AFAIK, every Moose owner uses this combination servo/actuator arm. Put

the

sleeve on as per the service bulletin (get a sleeve at your local

hardware

store if you don't have one already).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Fred

Messinger (fredm)
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:45 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Firewell caulk

Hi Guys,

I'm currently installing the elevator trim tab servo motor on my moose
quick
build.. The one MAM shipped is manufactured by The Ray Allen Company.

Everything (motor casing, clevis forks) is made out of a hard plastic
material. The push rod itself is a threaded metal rod, though.

My questions: Is anyone else using this set up? If not, which system

are

you using?

I confess, I'm a little concerned about those flimsy little clevis forks
and
the plastic drive pin....especially in cold weather.


Thanks,

Fred

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Fred,

I don't recall seeing any factory recommendation on trim tab travel. In
flight, a little bit of change has a big effect. I could measure my max

and down travel if you want me to.... As I recall, I simply positioned

servo in its neutral position then sized the actuator arm such that the

was aligned with the elevator at that position. Haven't found any
situation
yet where I think I've run out of trim.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Fred
Messinger (fredm)
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:42 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose: Elevator trim (crush tube)...was: Ray
Allen Servo

Thanks for all there great feedback on this topic, guys. I mounted the
servo/tube last night.

I measured the maximum down (relative to the elevator) angle that the trim
woud travel without the tube installed. It was only 13 degrees. And the
reason for that is the acute angle at the piano hinge between the wide

of the trim and the face of the spar begin to bind on one end. I checked
whether or not the trailing edge of the trim is flush with the trailing
edge
of the elevator and they are off by about 3/32.

How do I find out what the factory recommends?

I did search the web site and archive for this and did not fine anything
related to Mooses.

Thanks again!

Fred



On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@gmail.com> wrote:

Mounting method is what the manual says <grin>. Nope, the tube is there

to

stiffen the threaded rod, which bends all by itself under load. I know,

I

had one bend pretty bad before I put on the tube. Now, with the tube,

never

have a problem. Oh, by the way, I never put proseal in there--just slid
the
tube on. Maybe water will corrode the rod someday, but that's another
problem...

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
snowyrvr@mtaonline.net
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 7:34 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose: Elevator trim (crush tube)...was:

Ray

Allen Servo

Man, Ted, that mounting method really sounds hoaky. (yes, that's a

I'm guessing the tube's purpose is to prevent exterior bumps from

the little rod? Doesn't seem like it'd do much as a stiffener applied

ike

that. If I remember, this same El-0032 is in the rebel parts as well; I
just haven't seen a reference to it in the manual...yet. CW

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Ted Waltman tedwaltman@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:12:08 -0600
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose: Elevator trim (crush tube)...was: Ray
Allen Servo



Part # is "Crush Tube" listed as EL--0032 in the manual. I thought it

was

per a service bulletin, but none is shown on the website. The issue is
that
the trim tab actuator arm is simply a 1/4-28 threaded rod. That rod

bend under moderate force. Hence, once one has the rod cut to proper
length
and tested for successful full up/down trim travel, one is to spread
proseal
on the threaded rod then slide the crush tube over it. The crush tube,
therefore, is simply an aluminum sleeve (pipe, per se).

Hope this helps and makes sense,

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Hans

Kuck
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:58 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose: Ray Allen Servo

TED, could you please mail me a copy of the service bulletin regarding

the

Ray Allen Servo. I was not aware that there was such a S.B. to
hansk3d@gmail.com
cheers
Hans

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ted Waltman <tedwaltman@gmail.com>

wrote:

Fred,

AFAIK, every Moose owner uses this combination servo/actuator arm.

the

sleeve on as per the service bulletin (get a sleeve at your local

hardware

store if you don't have one already).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Fred

Messinger (fredm)
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:45 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Firewell caulk

Hi Guys,

I'm currently installing the elevator trim tab servo motor on my moose
quick
build.. The one MAM shipped is manufactured by The Ray Allen Company.

Everything (motor casing, clevis forks) is made out of a hard plastic
material. The push rod itself is a threaded metal rod, though.

My questions: Is anyone else using this set up? If not, which

are

you using?

I confess, I'm a little concerned about those flimsy little clevis

forks

and
the plastic drive pin....especially in cold weather.


Thanks,

Fred




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