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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:27 pm**

Has anyone considered use of clear 1/4" high pressure teflon (250 psi)
tubing? This tubing is a little expensive but for the lengths in question it
is piece of mind. The compatibility charts for teflon indicate excellent when
used with gasolines. It also has excellent UV resistance. We use it in the
water treatment business for conveying all sorts of nasty chemicals at high
pressures under high intensity UV light.

Mike Le Ber R683
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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:27 pm**

Hi Mike !

Not sure if it has been tried before .... could you bring a
sample (or 2) along to the next Rebel Builders Meeting on Nov. 12th ???

It would be interesting to see what it looks like - and to
give it a good soak in avgas and car gas .... :-)

.....bobp

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Has anyone considered use of clear 1/4" high pressure teflon (250 psi)
tubing? This tubing is a little expensive but for the lengths in question it
is piece of mind. The compatibility charts for teflon indicate excellent when
used with gasolines. It also has excellent UV resistance. We use it in the
water treatment business for conveying all sorts of nasty chemicals at high
pressures under high intensity UV light.

Mike Le Ber R683
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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:27 pm**

Hello,
My plan for the sight gauges are to run the slanted clear tube in the gap between the
fuse and the wing root rib. I will then drill a few 1" diameter sight holes in the fuse
rib in stratiegic locations along the slanted tube path.
When I flew my Cessna's I never relied on the gauges and would always "stick" the
tanks before flight. Basically, I never really looked at the gauges and relied on my
knowledge of the fuel burn characteristic of my engines. If a cap came off and I was lost
all of my fuel, chances are I never would know until the engine cut out. A habit of mine
is to record every flight in a small book that I always carry in my flight bag. In the
book there are columns for; date, tach time reading, the tach time difference from the
last recorded tach time reading (tach flight time), fuel taken at end of flight, engine
oil dipstick reading before the flight, destination/s. All of these columns are filled
out at the end of my flights with the exception of the engine oil which is recorded
before departure. I have been doing this for as long as I have owned an airplane and it
provides invaluable engine date regarding the condition of your engine. The airplanes
that I have owned all had high time engines and it was imperitive to monitor the vitals
of the engine. In one instance my engine oil consumption went up by an additional 1 quart
per hour. Upon discovery of that change I consulted with my mechanic and among other
things he suspected a cylinder with lined up rings. A couple of tests isolated a leaky
cylinder. We pulled the cylinder and there they were, all three rings with their gaps
lined up. This was an inexpensive repair. I always pull the prop through at preflight
also looking for soft cylinders but did not feel this one at the preflight and perhaps
the rings did not align until my flight was underway. Filling out the book also provides
a structured routine for preflight and after flight debrief and log book entries.
Bye,
Rick D.
Rebel S/N 404R

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Posted: **Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:27 pm**

Excellent thoughts.... I too will not fly w/out dipping the tanks ( all
rental a/c for me ...) but that clear tube just bothered me in the
rebel..... Thanks to all others on the good thoughts on gages and
senders.....I too have tried to keep a book on the rentals I fly...at least
it helps on my cross country math....

I had never been taught to pull the prop through to foresee
problems...Makes good sense, after a careful check of the mags....I would
suppose on a 4 cylinder even a novice as I would feel the difference....
good tip !

Thanks folks !

Louis Young
www.justplanevideos.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard DeCiero [mailto:rsdec1@star.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 6:16 PM
To: (Murphy Rebel Builders List)
Subject: Re: Sight gauges

Hello,
My plan for the sight gauges are to run the slanted clear
tube in the gap between the
fuse and the wing root rib. I will then drill a few 1" diameter
sight holes in the fuse
rib in stratiegic locations along the slanted tube path.
When I flew my Cessna's I never relied on the gauges and
would always "stick" the
tanks before flight. Basically, I never really looked at the
gauges and relied on my
knowledge of the fuel burn characteristic of my engines. If a cap
came off and I was lost
all of my fuel, chances are I never would know until the engine
cut out. A habit of mine
is to record every flight in a small book that I always carry in
my flight bag. In the
book there are columns for; date, tach time reading, the tach
time difference from the
last recorded tach time reading (tach flight time), fuel taken at
end of flight, engine
oil dipstick reading before the flight, destination/s. All of
these columns are filled
out at the end of my flights with the exception of the engine oil
which is recorded
before departure. I have been doing this for as long as I have
owned an airplane and it
provides invaluable engine date regarding the condition of your
engine. The airplanes
that I have owned all had high time engines and it was imperitive
to monitor the vitals
of the engine. In one instance my engine oil consumption went up
by an additional 1 quart
per hour. Upon discovery of that change I consulted with my
mechanic and among other
things he suspected a cylinder with lined up rings. A couple of
tests isolated a leaky
cylinder. We pulled the cylinder and there they were, all three
rings with their gaps
lined up. This was an inexpensive repair. I always pull the prop
through at preflight
also looking for soft cylinders but did not feel this one at the
preflight and perhaps
the rings did not align until my flight was underway. Filling out
the book also provides
a structured routine for preflight and after flight debrief and
log book entries.
Bye,
Rick D.
Rebel S/N 404R

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am**

I used the 1/4" tubing as per MAM and it works, but not as well as I want
it. The tube needs a restriction to slow down the slosh and a colored float
in the tube so I can see the line. Has anyone done this? How and what did
you use?
Al
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Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:52 AM
Subject: sight gauges

Hi

Are 1/4" ID. sight gauges as per the manual adequate for a Rebel? I keep
thinking that most of the ones I've seen looked larger. I'm trying to
get a hold of some pricey teflon tubing, so it would be good to get the
size correct :)

thanks
Ken

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am**

Hi

Are 1/4" ID. sight gauges as per the manual adequate for a Rebel? I keep
thinking that most of the ones I've seen looked larger. I'm trying to
get a hold of some pricey teflon tubing, so it would be good to get the
size correct :)

thanks
Ken

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am**

Hi Ken !

Should be fine ! The smaller diameter may help dampen
movement. It can be handy to install a valve at the bottom,
to ease tubing replacement later !

.....bobp

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Hi

Are 1/4" ID. sight gauges as per the manual adequate for a Rebel? I kee

p

thinking that most of the ones I've seen looked larger. I'm trying to
get a hold of some pricey teflon tubing, so it would be good to get the

size correct :)

thanks
Ken

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am**

And the valve could be left in the >ALMOST< closed position to act as the
orifice to restrict "sloshing" of the sight tube.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: sight gauges

Hi Ken !

Should be fine ! The smaller diameter may help dampen
movement. It can be handy to install a valve at the bottom,
to ease tubing replacement later !

.....bobp

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Hi

Are 1/4" ID. sight gauges as per the manual adequate for a Rebel? I kee
p
thinking that most of the ones I've seen looked larger. I'm trying to
get a hold of some pricey teflon tubing, so it would be good to get the

size correct :)

thanks
Ken

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am**

Hi Al !

You can use the barbed plastic pipe connectors used for auto
windshield wiper hoses to restict the line. No float, but several
builders have placed striped, reflective tape behind the tube, to
make the fuel line more visible.
.....bobp
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On November 16, 2003 01:05 pm, you wrote:

I used the 1/4" tubing as per MAM and it works, but not as well as I wa

nt

it. The tube needs a restriction to slow down the slosh and a colored

float

in the tube so I can see the line. Has anyone done this? How and what d

id

you use?
Al

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am**

I wound up using capacitive probes, as I didn't like bashing the ribs flat
for the sight glass fittings. Details if you're interested.

Al

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am**

steve

aircraft spruce sells latches for windows, used on mine might be picture on
web site if you search under gull wing door, little expensive but work great
part number 05-04521 or 05-04520 right & left hand, universal spring loaded
latches in section on airframe parts
mike#007

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-> leaking after, " heaven forbid", a bump with the ground. Details please if
u
-> have the time. Anyone know of any neat little corner latches for the
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-> frames. Wondered if something spring loaded at each corner of the window
-> wound do?
->
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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am**

Thanks everyone for your comments on the sight gauges. I do have some
small needle valves to restrict sloshing and ease maintanance for the
bottom. I found a photo of an installation with a striped background and
sure enough it shows the striped angles changing dramatically below the
fuel level so that is probably a worthwhile addition.

Ken

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am**

Found these sight gauges will looking for "stuff" not sure if they could be
made to work.

http://www.hydraulic-supply.com/pdf/1116.pdf

Scott
Moose 174

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am**

Al,

I've already installed the fittings for the site tubes but am very
interested in the probes. Not too fussy of having many sources of fuel
leaking after, " heaven forbid", a bump with the ground. Details please if u
have the time. Anyone know of any neat little corner latches for the
windows. Have constructed the door normally but hinged the window from the
top. Have gone to Lee Valley but not located anything as of yet. Haven't
flown a Rebel yet and am not sure how much outward force is on the window
frames. Wondered if something spring loaded at each corner of the window
wound do?

Steve W
Rebel # 637

From: "Alan Hepburn" <ahepburn@renc.igs.net>
Reply-To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: sight gauges
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:17:32 -0500

I wound up using capacitive probes, as I didn't like bashing the ribs flat
for the sight glass fittings. Details if you're interested.

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Posted: **Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am**

Hey Ken,

Be sure to do some testing before final mounting if using the diagonal
stripes. The distance in focal length (ie from tube to striped
marker) for most effective use changes with type, size and
particularly with wall thickness of the tubing. Also, the angle
(usually 45 degrees), some colours, and stripe widths, are easier to
see than others, and some show better through/over a range of
available ambient lighting, fuel colours, and with an LED light source
for night flying. This method is very popular with water glasses on
steam boilers.

There was mention of using a float ball in the tube. If that is done,
the ball must be a fair size smaller than the tube ID, as the tubing
is know to shrink somewhat. And there must be either a "bar" or a
"slot" across the entrance and exit to prevent the ball from plugging
either hole. Doesn't take much.

Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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Thanks everyone for your comments on the sight gauges. I do have some
small needle valves to restrict sloshing and ease maintanance for the
bottom. I found a photo of an installation with a striped background and

sure enough it shows the striped angles changing dramatically below the
fuel level so that is probably a worthwhile addition.

Ken

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